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michaelmosty
08-03-2009, 10:32 PM
I wish I had something to contribute to this right now but I don't.
I looked at the gopro footage from the last weekend and it only had a few minutes. I know nothing about computers and didn't know that you had to erase the cards before recording over them so I got about 5 minutes of sitting on grid and part of the warm-up lap. :oops:

I am about to check out my in-car footage and will hopefully have an edited version up in a few days.
My guess is that this event will have the best video to date. :)

AI#97
08-03-2009, 10:44 PM
I wish I had something to contribute to this right now but I don't.
I looked at the gopro footage from the last weekend and it only had a few minutes. I know nothing about computers and didn't know that you had to erase the cards before recording over them so I got about 5 minutes of sitting on grid and part of the warm-up lap. :oops:

I am about to check out my in-car footage and will hopefully have an edited version up in a few days.
My guess is that this event will have the best video to date. :)

Get to work! :P I want to hear some sweet music from late Sunday!!!! I want to put it on the home theater and piss off the neighbors till my ears bleed!!!!

Todd Covini
08-03-2009, 11:35 PM
Get to work! :P I want to hear some sweet music from late Sunday!!!! I want to put it on the home theater and piss off the neighbors till my ears bleed!!!!

AAAaoooohhhh...wait until you see the TEK Racing Texas AI/CMC 2009 Year In Review in HD...you'll be a bloody mess from the ears and your neighbors won't be around to help you!!!

<<send in your videos to Eric Varner...it's 80% done and plans are underway for the Annual Banquet!!!>>

jeffburch
08-04-2009, 06:57 AM
R4 L1

http://www.vimeo.com/5924170

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6rDkuOY6qI


jb

JJordan
08-04-2009, 08:50 AM
R4 Start from the pits:

http://www.vimeo.com/5931479

David Love AI27
08-04-2009, 09:29 AM
R4 Start from the pits:

http://www.vimeo.com/5931479

look at that stoker motor pull !!

jeremiahkellam
08-04-2009, 11:48 AM
R4 Start from the pits:

http://www.vimeo.com/5931479

look at that stoker motor pull !!

:shock:

Crumpacker
08-04-2009, 08:22 PM
here's the last lap from R3... not sure what happened to the audio. :?

http://www.vimeo.com/5941511

David Love AI27
08-04-2009, 08:44 PM
here's the last lap from R3... not sure what happened to the audio. :?

http://www.vimeo.com/5941511

way to go rookie... posted first vid, of first race, for first podium finish... now get that dreamsicle in CMC or CMC2 trim and leave AI alone..

Al Fernandez
08-04-2009, 09:22 PM
Nice job Sam!!! :D

David, I can't believe you gave a rookie a point by!! :lol:

David Love AI27
08-04-2009, 09:49 PM
Nice job Sam!!! :D

David, I can't believe you gave a rookie a point by!! :lol:

I didn't know he had a camera... :evil: LOL

You know my deal... top three outta class cars get a free pass (pun intended)... he was 2nd in AIX

Wirtz
08-04-2009, 11:47 PM
Here is the first few laps from race 1. Lots of stuff going on here;
- Bo Liebbe (JR) makes an appearance and gets us all thinking jumping off T1 would be fun... I tried it and did it best by pulling off a 180 :?

Some great racing in here by all.

http://vimeo.com/5945413

MikeP99Z
08-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Splitter cam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvv8PFpbDA

Al Fernandez
08-05-2009, 08:56 AM
Man, you CMC guys are ANIMALS! That is awesome racing. Jeff, you're 7&6 complex is tremendous, can't believe you're getting that big a run on Burch, Glenn, Liebbe...wow. Unbelievebaly good racing at the top of CMC. Seeing not one but three of you guys butcher larry-moe-curly is pretty fun too 8)

That splitter cam view is crazy! :lol:

AllZWay
08-05-2009, 10:22 AM
Here is the first few laps from race 1. Lots of stuff going on here;
- Bo Liebbe (JR) makes an appearance and gets us all thinking jumping off T1 would be fun... I tried it and did it best by pulling off a 180 :?

Some great racing in here by all.

http://vimeo.com/5945413

That was some good fun racing... I was behind you guys to witness most of it.

I think Jeff W...hits the nitrous switch coming down 6. :lol:

AllZWay
08-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Splitter cam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvv8PFpbDA

Very cool shot... You need to start behind the entire field and shoot that video. Now that would be cool.

Wirtz
08-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Meanwhile, back at the grid...

http://vimeo.com/5967550

AllZWay
08-05-2009, 08:57 PM
Meanwhile, back at the grid...

http://vimeo.com/5967550

LOL...That needs to make the year end video just to make fun of her. :lol:

Rob Liebbe
08-05-2009, 09:16 PM
Love the grid video.

Race 1 was indeed crazy. Just look at those Camaros beating up on that poor Mustang. Maybe some more weight reductions are needed for the Fox platforms.
As for Turn 14 (?) is concerned, I was the only one to pull that pass in the grass successfully. Thanks Corey!!!! All you others screwed it up. I pointed Burch by afterwards.

David Love AI27
08-05-2009, 09:28 PM
Meanwhile, back at the grid...

http://vimeo.com/5967550

She just got back from Vegas... maybe there is a new career as a dancing girl in her future... or she just had to pee...

Rsmith350
08-05-2009, 09:31 PM
Just goes to show.......you never know who's watching :)

Racebrat
08-05-2009, 10:22 PM
That's hilarious!!! Who knew I could be so entertaining? :-) At least it wasn't the beginning of Mike's splitter video- I kept checking the camera to make sure it was on- I'm positive that opening scene was just as funny!

Great seeing y'all again! Thanks for the laughs!

AI#97
08-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Ken Brewer's dad has a shutterfly link up on the national site...

I forget how to link pictures so just go over there.... :lol:

Wirtz
08-06-2009, 01:16 PM
Someone post something (good) in this thread damit! I'm going back to watch the grid video again....

AllZWay
08-06-2009, 01:22 PM
Someone post something (good) in this thread damit! I'm going back to watch the grid video again....

No kidding.. I think the lack of videos is why the racing high has ended so early and the BS has began so quickly. :shock:

Hood
08-06-2009, 01:31 PM
Ken Brewer's dad has a shutterfly link up on the national site...:lol:

Still have yet to find this. Anybody found it yet that can include a link? I've looked on NASA's site, CMC's site, etc, etc...

AI#97
08-06-2009, 01:34 PM
Ken Brewer's dad has a shutterfly link up on the national site...:lol:

Still have yet to find this. Anybody found it yet that can include a link? I've looked on NASA's site, CMC's site, etc, etc...

Texas region area near the bottom on Nasaforums...

Fbody383
08-08-2009, 07:16 PM
Someone post something (good) in this thread damit! I'm going back to watch the grid video again....

No kidding.. I think the lack of videos is why the racing high has ended so early and the BS has began so quickly. :shock:

I've tried two different computer to try and get my vid off and no luck. I want to see R4 on something bigger than the camera display.

jeremiahkellam
08-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Does anybody know of a link for the photo cafe or whatever they call it at TWS??

Todd Covini
08-08-2009, 10:49 PM
http://cafe-pics.com

Alien
08-08-2009, 11:04 PM
Some shots my dad took.

http://www.fototime.com/inv/0660D939E534266

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 10:02 AM
video from sunday qual and race 3.
http://www.vimeo.com/6019050
should be up in about 30min

Rob Liebbe
08-09-2009, 10:06 AM
Race 1 from the Liebbe-mobile

http://vimeo.com/6013713

Watch for everyone trying their new line coming off the straight, Proctor getting a point by then running off the track, Glenn and Jeremy swapping a little paint, Wirtz asleep on the start, Glenn's brake dive between Burch and I coming off the straight, Team Mosty Brothers' teamwork - Jeremy blocks the entire field so Michael can win :roll: - etc.

AI#97
08-09-2009, 10:25 AM
Race 1 from the Liebbe-mobile

http://vimeo.com/6013713

Watch for everyone trying their new line coming off the straight, Proctor getting a point by then running off the track, Glenn and Jeremy swapping a little paint, Wirtz asleep on the start, Glenn's brake dive between Burch and I coming off the straight, Team Mosty Brothers' teamwork - Jeremy blocks the entire field so Michael can win :roll: - etc.

Looks like Glenn was taking a page from Shotz's driving book going into 3 trying to make the passenger side of his car look like the driver's side... I might even say unnecessary with an out of class car with the move in T4 and then "aggressiveness" in 3...

Just my opinion...

MikeP99Z
08-09-2009, 10:32 AM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

AI#97
08-09-2009, 10:39 AM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

Bonehead comes to mind!

I will say this much. When CMC/2 becomes one class...the action is going to be even MORE intense!

michaelmosty
08-09-2009, 10:49 AM
Great video Rob, I think your clowncar is getting louder. :lol:

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 11:09 AM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

Bonehead comes to mind!

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
That was a stupid move!

AI#97
08-09-2009, 11:11 AM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

Bonehead comes to mind!

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
That was a stupid move!

Hope none of MY wheels are bent!

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 11:11 AM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

Bonehead comes to mind!

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
That was a stupid move!

Hope none of MY wheels are bent!

Rent to own baby!!!

BTW that was some serious avoidance guys, thanks for not plowing into me :oops:

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 11:33 AM
video from sunday qual and race 3.
http://www.vimeo.com/6019050
should be up in about 30min
fixed

MikeP99Z
08-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Kudos to all those with heads up avoidance skillz.

Rsmith350
08-09-2009, 12:06 PM
That could have been a lot uglier than it was - regarding the 22 in T15.

Bonehead comes to mind!

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
That was a stupid move!

Wow! that was a "change the Pampers" moment.

GlennCMC70
08-09-2009, 12:16 PM
first off, lets let Jeremy defened himself here, unless your his mother or something.
its true that we touched. i've watched it several times now, and the movement looks pretty mutual to me. i moved towards him to help get the line and he moved towards me cause it looks like the right side of the track jogs to the left some. i was trying to close the gap between us, and he was looking to follow the edge of the track. we both moved into one another. there was pretty much no evidence of the contact post race. in fact, he didnt even know we touched till he watched the vid.

we didnt touch going into 3. agressive? yes. anything wrong w/ it? no.

as for out of class contact and who was to blame there.
i was on the tail of the CMC 1st place car. i dont think Jeremy could see the CMC-2 first place car. he has every right to race thru and i have every right to race to keep from him getting between me and the car i was racing.
i also talked w/ Jeremy Sunday (w/out seeing the vid) and i apologized to him for the contact. things are clear w/ me and him. no need for you guys to get involved.

and as far as the BS talk about the suit patch over the last few months. thats all in good fun. i was impressed that Jeremy caught me (mostly due to the off we had) and told him so.

that was hardly a dive bomb going into the turn off the front straight where i locked the brakes. JB got on his earlier than he had been for whatever reason an i reacted. i was already beside you when that hapened. the tires locked and i wasnt able to turn the same. but its not what i would call a dive bomb.

Al Fernandez
08-09-2009, 12:24 PM
Awesome racing! I love watching this race from the different seats :)

Very good heads up avoidance going on there, several times!

Rob Liebbe
08-09-2009, 01:08 PM
Glenn, "brake dive" may not be the right term. But that is two races in a row where I have seen you put yourself in a position where you were not prepared for something happening different ahead of you than what you expected. I guess I drive more defensively than you do. It is also the second time in my racing career that you have passed me with the brakes locked - that always messes with my head. :)

Michael - does louder equal faster?

I'm working on the edit of R3 and R4. Unfortunately I spectacted for a lot of it. Fortunately, I got video of everyone else's cars.

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 01:39 PM
first off, lets let Jeremy defened himself here, unless your his mother or something.

First off, Glenn is correct here, I am not/was not upset about the entire 4/3 issue. I knew I was going to have to make some serious moves to pass two guys with the experience that Glenn and Birch have. Unfortunately I caused some major issues and upset a few people, was not my intention but it was the result. As far as Glenn moving over on me, It's aggressive racing! I think we should all try and give each other a few more inches of room. But it's racing, and we all know that in the moment, giving someone else some room is not really going through the brain. We race by the rules. I'm a rookie, one that has talked a lot of shit to Glenn and some others, I didn't expect a point by, and I didn't get one... I knew I was going to have to earn the position... and I failed...

Out of class? That's a 50/50 call in this situation, I wanted to get back on James bumper and pressure him, easier said than done, He got passed the two CMC leaders and my experience level was not enough to do it cleanly and quickly, which allowed his lead to be extended. But looking back, 2nd would have been much better for points than 7th...

Over the past week I have thought about many conversations I had at the track. I am going to have to be a little more precise with my moves. after all I still have an orange plate on my ass... I think we should all look at what we are doing, and the dangers we encounter due to the mistakes we make and mistakes of other drivers around. I don't want the "crazy ass" name, but I think the ink is already loaded in the gun. I will say this, I would rather drive on the limit with this group of guys, then down the streets of any city drivers...

The drama is going to be an issue, every class in every race series in the nation has it. But there is no reason to stir the pot. We are all friends, some better than others, but the bigger picture is the series. Less drama will be more inviting for people who are there to DE or spectate, and getting them to build a CMC/AI car is the goal, right?

Jeremiah and I both had mechanical free weekends for the most part. maybe the first time for each of us. This years rookies' cars are starting to get sorted, which has allowed us to play a little more, a little mentoring is all we are looking for. If we deserve an ass chewin, give it to us, if you think we need advice, give it to us. We know what we know, but we don't have a clue what you know...

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 01:59 PM
that always messes with my head. :)


Noted ... :twisted:

Not accusing or defending any one ... just an observation.

On a track where laptimes are 2 minutes in length and races that are ~15 minutes green to checkers, only leaves 7 laps or so to get the job done.

In classes where everything is supposedly matched closely, that leaves very few opportunities to make a pass. So opportunities are created.

The event breeds these kinds of moves.

Late braking, locking of tires, questionable moves, racing contact were a common occurrence from my POV in the middle of pack. Its not fair to string someone up just because it was captured on tape.

GlennCMC70
08-09-2009, 02:30 PM
fair enough Rob. i've had a inconsistant performance as of late.

BryanL
08-09-2009, 03:01 PM
[quote="Jeremy Gunter"][quote="GlennCMC70". I don't want the "crazy ass" name, but I think the ink is already loaded in the gun. quote]

Funny. I would have guessed you already had, "Crazy" tatooed on your ass :lol:

Hate I missed such an action packed weekend. Alot of paint swiping by rookies and the usual veterans that always seem to put their paint on someone's car.

Just wait till ECR-I'm going to be working with MFW after I move to Plano next weekend and I have some ideas.

Rsmith350
08-09-2009, 05:06 PM
[quote=Jeremy Gunter][quote="GlennCMC70". I don't want the "crazy ass" name, but I think the ink is already loaded in the gun. quote]

Funny. I would have guessed you already had, "Crazy" tatooed on your ass :lol:

Hate I missed such an action packed weekend. Alot of paint swiping by rookies and the usual veterans that always seem to put their paint on someone's car.

Just wait till ECR-I'm going to be working with MFW after I move to Plano next weekend and I have some ideas.

I hate when people say that! The last time Jeremy "got an idea" I got in a car with "Todd Who" and look at me now! :shock:

AI#97
08-09-2009, 05:11 PM
Just wait till ECR-I'm going to be working with MFW after I move to Plano next weekend and I have some ideas.

Que'?!

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Funny. I would have guessed you already had, "Crazy" tatooed on your ass :lol:

The Artist turned me away, He didn't have enough razors on hand...

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 06:25 PM
R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dTLQCb0kgQ

jb
(wait, still processing)

Alien
08-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Does anyone else giggle like a schoolgirl when they read this?


...two guys with the experience that Glenn and Birch have.
:D

I know he's a tall lanky mofo but...
http://www.fototime.com/70B3B58E196F0BD/standard.jpg

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 07:24 PM
Late braking, locking of tires, questionable moves, racing contact were a common occurrence from my POV in the middle of pack. Its not fair to string someone up just because it was captured on tape.

????? What???????

Contradictory statement right there.
Eyeballs, tape, what's the difference?
A bonehead move seen or recorded is a bonehead move.
Convicts DWI's and other such every day.

jb

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 07:30 PM
Eyeballs, tape, what's the difference?
A bonehead move seen or recorded is a bonehead move.
jb

And you of all people know that a recorded image broadcast is more sensational than one merely discussed.

Our industry breeds it and thrives on it ... and it pays our salary.

So don't act indignant or pias. You undersand it completely.

David Love AI27
08-09-2009, 07:48 PM
R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dTLQCb0kgQ

jb
(wait, still processing)

Thanks for TRYING to get this thread back on track

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 07:50 PM
"Our"?

What happens, happens.

Live by media, die by media.

Jb

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 07:55 PM
"Our"?

Jb

Yeah, our. Difference being, I was smart enough to get out. 8)




Live by media, die by media.


"It doesn't have to be, it just has to look like it is."

I was cutting 16mm film for KLTV before you started at TSTI ...

edited for clrification ...

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 08:09 PM
A bonehead move seen or recorded is a bonehead move.
jb

I standby this statement.
With CONVICTION!
jb

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 08:11 PM
A bonehead move seen or recorded is a bonehead move.
jb

I standby this statement.
With CONVICTION!
jb

How about the world ending on June 14th. Still stand by that one with CONVICTION?

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 08:12 PM
C'Mon, JB ... dig deep and tell me to suck a poot. :P

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 08:20 PM
Stop making sense.
You sleigh me.

jb

Tape don't lie.

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Stop making sense.
You sleigh me.

jb

Tape don't lie.

Sleigh? :lol:

It doesn't always tell the whole truth either ... just what the on-air director wants it to say. And of course, he's looking at the recent Neilsens in order to make those "truthfull decisions.

I've seen too many "anomoles" to put a lot of exclusive faith on what we see on screen.

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 08:45 PM
It doesn't always tell the whole truth either ... just what the on-air director wants it to say. And of course, he's looking at the recent Neilsens in order to make those "truthfull decisions.
I've seen too many "anomoles" to put a lot of exclusive faith on what we see on screen.

No director, no anomolies.


Race 1 from the Liebbe-mobile
http://vimeo.com/6013713


R1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dTLQCb0kgQ
jb
(wait, still processing)

jb

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 08:55 PM
I'm not denying it happened, Jeff. Just not the ONLY place it happened and not the only players involved. Proctor and I got together under similar circumstances in R4 ... but no one is making a huge deal over it.

Why? If its not caught on tape ... it didn't happen. :roll:

And everyone seems to have an issue with the contact between Glenn and Jeremy except for ... Glenn and Jeremy. :roll:

AI#97
08-09-2009, 08:59 PM
Jeremy can fight his own battles but I am going off what I saw on tape. He already had tires on the edge of the paving, gave you the inside to T4 respectfully then you move over on him while he is already on the edge of the paving....and you KNOW he is another class. It would be no different if it were me or Frank or David Love passing you. given you just locked up going into 6, my personal opinion is you were over driving for the situation that resulted in contact regardless of how minor it was.

As the over taking car, it was your responsibility to give room for the pass you had yet to complete and you took more than was necessary with a deliberate move to pinch the car on the outside.

The reason I am busting Glenn's balls a little is the last 3 events I have heard the statement " We in group 4 are looked at as the examples of how to race hard without contact, then we go out and look like a bunch of yahoos spinning out and filling out contact forms after each race".....paraphrased a little, but Glenn was one of the people who has said this TWICE.... I think he's right too!

Was this a topic of discussion in sunday's driver meeting? (I was instructing and may have missed it?)

My overall point is WHEN CMC/2 join, if the "questionable and bonehead" moves are put in check now....it COULD get ugly when we have 20 very fast CMC cars fighting really hard for a $3 piece of plastic.

I realize there is a lot of stuff happening in the heat of the battle on track, but maybe we as a group need to step back and look at what we are risking for ourselves and others...?

Again, these are my opinions only and not trying to rub Glenn raw here....but that my immediate take away. Your results may differ.

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 09:02 PM
my personal opinion is you were over driving for the situation


And the reason you wadded up yet another splitter is?

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 09:07 PM
I'm not denying it happened, Jeff. Just not the ONLY place it happened and not the only players involved. Proctor and I got together under similar circumstances in R4 ... but no one is making a huge deal over it.

Why? If its not caught on tape ... it didn't happen. :roll:

And everyone seems to have an issue with the contact between Glenn and Jeremy except for ... Glenn and Jeremy. :roll:

See, this is specific to a certain instance.
I've never made mention to any specific instance in R1 so I'm not in this.
I've only gotten involved because of the "did it happen if it wasn't on tape" thing.
Prime example is R3.
My SD card took a shit but a driver left the track exiting T10.
Came back on and left again.
Came back on again at a 45* angle and damn near creamed me in the door.
Well, it didn't happen because my SD card took a shit and didn't record.

jb

Todd Covini
08-09-2009, 09:08 PM
Let's get back on track guys...
This is the most important and best quote of this entire thread, and shows some serious learning.


But looking back, 2nd would have been much better for points than 7th...



I told Jeremy at the track, "patience" is sometimes tougher to learn than than racing to the front.

The contact with Glenn & Jeremy raised some eyebrows and there was a definite undertone during Sunday's toy car/shoe demonstration...and that was without any video editing. So whether there was video or not, and whether the 2 involved drivers were OK with it or not....everyone saw...and it was good that we cleared the air (or tried to.)

Lots of learnings....move along....nothing to see here....great racing....CMC2 was the group to watch for the first time in Texas IMO!!!

-=- Todd

Rob Liebbe
08-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Race 3 from the Liebbe - broke down - mobile parked at Corner station 6.

http://www.vimeo.com/6025959

David Love AI27
08-09-2009, 09:22 PM
It would be no different if it were me or Frank or David Love passing you.

Matt, I don't know what was in the rest of your post... but I must say, I think I love you :D seriously... I wanna have your baby...

Me??? passing someone???... ROFLMAO!!!! one of these days you need to hang back... way back and see what my world is really like... Even Crumpacker walked away from me when I stayed back to get video of his first race...

I'll read the rest of your post now...

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 09:23 PM
Race 3 from the Liebbe - broke down - mobile parked at Corner station 6.

http://www.vimeo.com/6025959

Whoa!

@ 1:35 Steve locked up ... what a bonehead move!

@3:35 Rob pulls Chuck down the back straight. Must be an illegal motor. tape don't lie.

AI#97
08-09-2009, 09:32 PM
my personal opinion is you were over driving for the situation


And the reason you wadded up yet another splitter is?

Give me a fucking break. that's the best you can come up with? I've been off track 3 times in 4 years of doing this and there are some in this group that have gone off 3 times in ONE RACE!!!

To answer your question it was probably oil from Farmers Vette that was pissing oil every where...or fuel from glenn's car pissing everywhere or diff oil from pattersons car (all chevy's BTW). It happens when you are the first car on track and don't get warnings of debris or anything else that might cause it. I wonder how many splitters you or Glenn would have torn up over the years if you had the balls to run AI....It would probably be a hell of a lot more than 2.... :roll:

You trying to bust my balls over two events separated by 3 years is rediculous given the first time was a result of damaged caused by a wreck in front of me that cut a brake line.

BTW...that avatar stays regardless of your requests.

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 09:37 PM
http://www.nikibrown.com/designoblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/easy-button.jpg



8)



Give me a fucking break.

Lots of excuses ... no accountability.

It runs deep in this group.

Todd Covini
08-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Race 1 from the Liebbe-mobile

http://vimeo.com/6013713



Rob,
Great video.
Great drive.
Great accident avoidance (my instincts would have been to exit stage right).

After seeing this, maybe CMC AND CMC2 were the races to watch that weekend!

-=- T

David Love AI27
08-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Race 3 from the Liebbe - broke down - mobile parked at Corner station 6.

http://www.vimeo.com/6025959

Great vid... Thanks for keeping on topic...

Rob Liebbe
08-09-2009, 09:48 PM
As for agressive driving, bonehead moves, out of class, etc., etc., etc., we should all be aware of the drastic consequences of these types of moves. Remember the Mexico NASCAR video I posted a while back. I just want everyone to have a good, safe time at the track.

jeffburch
08-09-2009, 09:53 PM
[Lots of excuses ... no accountability.
It runs deep in this group.
LOL!
Accountability?
What?
Didn't we just have this discussion? :roll:
What?

mitchntx
08-09-2009, 09:55 PM
As for agressive driving, bonehead moves, out of class, etc., etc., etc., we should all be aware of the drastic consequences of these types of moves.

I agree 100%, Rob. Very well said!



I wonder how many splitters you or Glenn would have torn up over the years if you had the balls to run AI....It would probably be a hell of a lot more than 2.... :roll:


Why would I want to do that. From what I've seen, you guys run on the track all by yourself for the most part ... kind of like DEs.

And its sad you equate ones self worth with how much cash one throws at a race car.

Todd Covini
08-09-2009, 09:57 PM
Race 3 from the Liebbe - broke down - mobile parked at Corner station 6.

http://www.vimeo.com/6025959

Rob had a serious rhythm going...
I'm scared to come back racing...you guys are definately fast & consistent.

(Mitch...to use your own words "Just stop...you're embarrassing yourself already.)

Rob Liebbe
08-09-2009, 10:09 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Todd. I just wish I had the racecraft skills of some of the others. When I'm lucky enough to be in front of everyone else, I just try to run defensively.

We can't wait 'till you are back in the saddle again.

Jeremy Gunter
08-09-2009, 10:17 PM
deleted...

AI#97
08-09-2009, 10:29 PM
And its sad you equate ones self worth with how much cash one throws at a race car.

Where did you pull that from...your ass? Amazing how you twist words to make people feel sorry for you or cover the fact you are wrong.

GlennCMC70
08-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Matt, next time your working to catch and pass the AI car just feet from your front bumper, don't for one second think I'll let you around, point you around as I have in the past.
I was racing the car in front of me. the car just a few feet in front of me.
exiting turn 5 I gave him plenty of room to get around. entering 4, he was going slower than me. I wasn't gonna get checked up cause he wanted to mess w/ the leaders of CMC. he has the right to race thru, I have the right to keep doing everything I can to catch cars in my class.
your fixed on me hitting him, fine. your wrong, but fine.

as for the quote you used about me - sorry. not what I said.

and JB - lord knows you have never laid a paint mark on a single in/out of class car in the field. never made a move that someone in this field didn't approve of.
in fact, there are so many perfect people here posting in this thread, its just amazing.

pot says to the kettle - hey, your black......


just because I can stand up in front of this group and try to instill the sense of sportsmanship and responsibility does not mean I'm immune to mistakes. mistakes no different that the one JG did in front of the whole field...... wait, RL did the same thing, wait JW did the same thing. where is their bonehead stamp of approval for their forehead?

I'll continue to stand in front of this group and continue to tell you guys what NASA and the CCR expects of us all. I'll still make mistakes just like you guys, and you can all sit there safe and sound as a "racer" and not a director and point out my flaws. please continue to point out the weaknesses of the leadership from the series directors all the way up to NASA National, all the while none of you willing to step in my shoes and do this. most of you all had a chance and didn't take it (100% of those here who are pissed did).
most of you guys wouldn't know the first thing about leadership.

GlennCMC70
08-09-2009, 11:06 PM
And its sad you equate ones self worth with how much cash one throws at a race car.

Where did you pull that from...your ass? Amazing how you twist words to make people feel sorry for you or cover the fact you are wrong.

read your own post there big britches.

MikeP99Z
08-09-2009, 11:15 PM
From what I've seen, you guys run on the track all by yourself for the most part ... kind of like DEs.

When is the next DE?

Rsmith350
08-09-2009, 11:18 PM
Deleted........Mike said it better below

MikeP99Z
08-09-2009, 11:24 PM
I think people need to stop pushing buttons...a few might truly get offended. So much is lost through the written word of a forum post without any body language (or occasional contact LOL).

Pride yourselves on some really good racing, which is 99% cleaner than a lot of other groups/classes/series, especially considering the level of the playing field. There will always be perceived and real bonehead moves (on video, witnessed, or even hearsay), but y'alls awareness is top notch - which is one of the benefits of running with this group.

covini cheerleader mode on/

Keep up the good work !!!

covini mode off/

:P

David Love AI27
08-10-2009, 12:43 AM
And its sad you equate ones self worth with how much cash one throws at a race car.

You mean I'm only worth $1.99??

Al Fernandez
08-10-2009, 12:46 AM
lol Mike! Seriously, those vids have some of the best racing footage you're going to see anywhere! Everyone is on the edge. Everyone is pushing the limits of their hardware and their skill and their luck. (yes, racing involves a hell of a lot of luck too!) Yet in all that everyone is giving and taking. Best racing and best drivers in the country, right here!

David Love AI27
08-10-2009, 12:51 AM
Talk about a thread in need of the delete button... I would love to see videos of Rs 2 and 4

mitchntx
08-10-2009, 07:03 AM
And its sad you equate ones self worth with how much cash one throws at a race car.

You mean I'm only worth $1.99??

It appears so, David, using MFWs measuring stick. :lol:

jeffburch
08-10-2009, 07:46 AM
I'm glad I went to bed.
8 straight was great.



and JB - lord knows you have never laid a paint mark on a single in/out of class car in the field. never made a move that someone in this field didn't approve of.
in fact, there are so many perfect people here posting in this thread, its just amazing.
pot says to the kettle - hey, your black......


Yup. But why am I mentioned?
I didn't bring up in this thread the term bonehead. I only repeated it and was never specific to any name or car number.
Once again, I was debating a point regarding media relevancy.
I won't standby and have my words twisted to make some other's point if I feel it's used incorrectly or for some other purpose.
Oh, and, what's the relevancy of June 14? :?

jb

mitchntx
08-10-2009, 08:00 AM
Oh, and, what's the relevancy of June 14? :?
jb

exactly

jeffburch
08-10-2009, 08:16 AM
How about the world ending on June 14th. Still stand by that one with CONVICTION?

You're still not explaining.
I don't recall every saying this.
Are you twisting the point around here or just putting words in my mouth?

jb

mitchntx
08-10-2009, 08:37 AM
How about the world ending on June 14th. Still stand by that one with CONVICTION?

You're still not explaining.
I don't recall every saying this.
Are you twisting the point around here or just putting words in my mouth?

jb

:lol: Classic JB ...

The conversation above was about believing in something with conviction.

We had a short conversation pre-Hallett where you shared you had seen evidence that the world as we know it was going to end or change or something June 14th. I saw a Youtube video you linked to claiming said end.

I only watched about 10 seconds of it, though. sorry. I searched and can't find it ... can't even recall the title or author.

And the point was your convictions are yours, but not necessarily everyone's. And respecting the fact that others have opinions and being grown-up enough to realize that they could have merit is a subtle and many time lost point.

And finally, relying soley on a medium that can and does grossly taint perception is like going through life with blinders on.

It doesn't have to be, it just has to look like it is.

The point being ...

We all rely so much on video to point fingers and lay blame. I know and you know, video doesn't capture everything.

ShadowBolt
08-10-2009, 08:46 AM
Alex Jones

jeffburch
08-10-2009, 08:48 AM
:lol: Classic JB ...
We had a short conversation pre-Hallett where you shared you had seen evidence that the world as we know it was going to end or change or something June 14th. I saw a Youtube video you linked to claiming said end.
I only watched about 10 seconds of it, though. sorry. I searched and can't find it ... can't even recall the title or author.
The point being ...
We all rely so much on video to point fingers and lay blame. I know and you know, video doesn't capture everything.

So you saw a video and now those words came out of my mouth?
Weak.
Poor attempt at a personal attack.
I won't resort to this level, yet.


jb

AI#97
08-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Matt, next time your working to catch and pass the AI car just feet from your front bumper, don't for one second think I'll let you around, point you around as I have in the past.
.

From the looks of your car Glenn, it appears you won't let anyone by anyway. Since you are selling it, I'll offer you $500 for it so I can use it in a lemons race as it looks worse than most of the lemons field.

To keep things straight..."bonehead" was referring to Jeremy...he knows it. As for my quoting you...I will be sure to bring the tape recorder next time to keep your memory fresh...you said it at hallett and TWS.

So, who, if anyone is keeping track of contact sheets...It would be interesting to see who has the most incidents since 2005. Anyone care to publish that info? What was it in the CCR's about "driver points"... I am sure there is a trend in that pile of paper somewhere...

I think I am going to back away from the keyboard now before I really ruffle your feathers about what I have seen from the stands at the last two events.

mitchntx
08-10-2009, 09:06 AM
So you saw a video and now those words came out of my mouth?
Weak.
Poor attempt at a personal attack.
I won't resort to this level, yet.


jb

You sent the link ... sorry if I misunderstood you being a follower and believer.

AllZWay
08-10-2009, 09:13 AM
Race 1 from the Liebbe-mobile

http://vimeo.com/6013713

........ Proctor getting a point by then running off the track, ....... etc.

Nice video Rob... again...Sorry for the "bonehead" drive off track after a point by. :oops:

I really don't think most in the group should be pointing any fingers at other drivers too much.

I have seen just about everyone of us make a "bonehead" move at some point at time.

The key should be limiting those as much as possible.

AllZWay
08-10-2009, 09:17 AM
Some shots my dad took.

http://www.fototime.com/inv/0660D939E534266

Nice pics Gary.

evarner
08-10-2009, 09:23 AM
I remember a time before threads like this existed.

http://www.tek-racing.net/bigfield.jpg

AllZWay
08-10-2009, 09:26 AM
video from sunday qual and race 3.
http://www.vimeo.com/6019050
should be up in about 30min

Nive video Jeremy...You guys were having quite a battle.

gt40
08-10-2009, 09:35 AM
Still waiting on Crumpacker's video from R3. I want to see how my car looks from behind. 8)

Waco Racer
08-10-2009, 09:51 AM
I remember a time before threads like this existed.

We still had drama.

Who's #7 CMC car is that?

evarner
08-10-2009, 10:07 AM
I remember a time before threads like this existed.

We still had drama.

Who's #7 CMC car is that?

Tim Laplante (from Indy)?

Did we even have a forum back then? lol Track drama, but not sure it would even register next to today's scale.

GlennCMC70
08-10-2009, 10:07 AM
Matt - nice assumption w/ regards to all my damage being my fault. that same assumption could be made w/ the appearance of your car this past event. lots of frontal damage, who did he hit?

funny how you classify Lemons as real racing over the racing seem in AI/CMC groups. show me a lemons car that has run in the top 5 (or better) of everything it has done for the last 5 years.

feel free to point out your thoughts about the things you viewed while WATCHING.
be carefull about governing this group bythe written letter of the CCR. you may become its first example.

Hood
08-10-2009, 11:31 AM
SERIOUSLY... y'all are takin' the fun outta this. Leave the finger pointing and bashing alone. It's one thing to trash talk but something else entirely when threats (idle or otherwise) and bad-mouthing come into the picture. Think about the reason you are doing this... it CERTAINLY isn't for the money. It all amounts to the fun and the competitive nature of the sport (and maybe a little glory). I know that I got involved with this group because of the camaraderie and competitiveness of the series. Nowhere else could I be involved with such a close-knit bunch driving 'Mach 2 with your hair on fire' at such a low entry price. I considered SCCA for about a second but after talking with Wirtz and Mosty, bought into the NASA credo... HAVE FUN COMPETIVELY.

Anyway, y'all need to call this horse dead and be done with it. Bury the hatchet (no, not in someone's skull) before irreparable damage is done.

GlennCMC70
08-10-2009, 11:41 AM
Gary - can you lock this one? i would but i'll be roasted over a spit at ECR.

David Love AI27
08-10-2009, 11:46 AM
SERIOUSLY... y'all are takin' the fun outta this. Leave the finger pointing and bashing alone. It's one thing to trash talk but something else entirely when threats (idle or otherwise) and bad-mouthing come into the picture. Think about the reason you are doing this... it CERTAINLY isn't for the money. It all amounts to the fun and the competitive nature of the sport (and maybe a little glory). I know that I got involved with this group because of the camaraderie and competitiveness of the series. Nowhere else could I be involved with such a close-knit bunch driving 'Mach 2 with your hair on fire' at such a low entry price. I considered SCCA for about a second but after talking with Wirtz and Mosty, bought into the NASA credo... HAVE FUN COMPETIVELY.

Anyway, y'all need to call this horse dead and be done with it. Bury the hatchet (no, not in someone's skull) before irreparable damage is done.

Amen brutha... (breaks into song) "we shall overcome, we shall overcome, we shall overcome, someday......"

evarner
08-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Lock it Quckly!! Before they get it right!

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/6/633798555418133300-dontdroptheballon.jpg

AllZWay
08-10-2009, 12:03 PM
SERIOUSLY... y'all are takin' the fun outta this. Leave the finger pointing and bashing alone. It's one thing to trash talk but something else entirely when threats (idle or otherwise) and bad-mouthing come into the picture. Think about the reason you are doing this... it CERTAINLY isn't for the money. It all amounts to the fun and the competitive nature of the sport (and maybe a little glory). I know that I got involved with this group because of the camaraderie and competitiveness of the series. Nowhere else could I be involved with such a close-knit bunch driving 'Mach 2 with your hair on fire' at such a low entry price. I considered SCCA for about a second but after talking with Wirtz and Mosty, bought into the NASA credo... HAVE FUN COMPETIVELY.

Anyway, y'all need to call this horse dead and be done with it. Bury the hatchet (no, not in someone's skull) before irreparable damage is done.

AMEN brother. :lol:

Todd Covini
08-10-2009, 01:16 PM
This is starting to look like the ending of Reservoir Dogs....I'm locking it.

Please post your fun & productive TWS Media in a new thread, and if you guys want to sling mud at each other....do it via PM or pick up the phone.

-=- Todd