Format for Hallett

[Waco Racer]

I need all driver that are going to Hallett to vote for which format they want. When you vote please give your reason for your decision. It doen't have to be a long explanation, just the simple reason you voted the way you did.

[jeffburch]

2/20min and 1/40min

I'm 2 for 2.

Chevy drivers go longer!

jb

[Mike Bell]

I voting for 4 x 20, did my 40 min of hell last event thank you very much.

:lol:

Unless we can leave earlier by doing a 40 min race, that might be a better option for me, hehehe.

[gt40]

4x20. I figure the more races there are, the more standing starts!

[donovan]

4x20

I think we all tested the 40's and we know we can do it... the 4 race format is my choice.

[mitchntx]

If it means finishing early, 2 20s and a 40 is my vote ...

Otherwise, it really doesn't matter ....

[CMC17]

You guys in CMC can fight it out for second place no matter what the format is. :D

I won't be pulled down any straights now. muahahaha

Oh, I did vote for 2ea 20min on Saturday and 1ea 40min race on Sunday to get out of there earlier (with my three winners stickers).

:lol: 8) :twisted:

[y5e06]

4x20
because I like more RACES.
if you're worried about getting home early, head out saturday night....

[Mike Bell]

4x20
because I like more RACES.
if you're worried about getting home early, head out saturday night....

Wow, can you feel the love! 8)

[Adam Ginsberg]

I prefer the 2/20x1/40 format for Hallett, primarily to get out of the track earlier on Sunday.

[jeffburch]

You guys in CMC can fight it out for second place no matter what the format is. :D

I won't be pulled down any straights now. muahahaha

Oh, I did vote for 2ea 20min on Saturday and 1ea 40min race on Sunday to get out of there earlier (with my three winners stickers).

:lol: 8) :twisted:

K. I'll nibble on this hook.

Congrats on your move to AI and to your purchase of the Saphire Blue car!

How's that? 8)

jb

[CMC17]

You guys in CMC can fight it out for second place no matter what the format is. :D

I won't be pulled down any straights now. muahahaha

Oh, I did vote for 2ea 20min on Saturday and 1ea 40min race on Sunday to get out of there earlier (with my three winners stickers).

:lol: 8) :twisted:

K. I'll nibble on this hook.

Congrats on your move to AI and to your purchase of the Saphire Blue car!

How's that? 8)

jb

I'm just trolling...<rolls up sleeves> nothing to see here. :twisted:

[michaelmosty]

Umm, would I be out of line to vote for 8 - 10's??

[CMC17]

Umm, would I be out of line to vote for 8 - 10's??

You can do whatever you like. I'm still not going to show you the fast line ever again!! :D

[michaelmosty]

OK seriously, I voted for the 2 - 20's on Sat. and 1 - 40 on Sunday. I would be 100% satisfied w/ the 4 - 20's if that was chosen.
Having never been to Hallett I am not sure what to expect, except for turtle goo. :shock:

[mitchntx]

It's good to see the drama queen back in action ...

Let's see ... it's week since the last race and 2 weeks before the next one ...

Yep ... we are definitely on schedule!

:D

I kind of find it funny that when I first asked for an "enduro" type race, I was tar and feathered and almost run out of town on a rail.

Now it's all good ...

[CMC17]

It's good to see the drama queen back in action ...

Let's see ... it's week since the last race and 2 weeks before the next one ...

Yep ... we are definitely on schedule!

:D

I kind of find it funny that when I first asked for an "enduro" type race, I was tar and feathered and almost run out of town on a rail.

Now it's all good ...

Had you been driving a Mustang at the time, things would have gone a lot better. lol :D

[Mike Bell]

I kind of find it funny that when I first asked for an "enduro" type race, I was tar and feathered and almost run out of town on a rail.

Now it's all good ...

That's because we liked you right off the bat. I bet you felt all warm & fuzzy at that first reception, right? ;)

40 minute race felt like an endurance contest, does it count as my first Enduro then? :lol:

[Nick]

I voted for 2-20 1-40. Getting out early is nice.
Doing all 20min is good too. I like inverted starts and having one each day is fun.

[oz98cobra]

4 x 20 gets my vote - works better for a 2 driver team, and getting out early is not high on the priority list for me.

[jeffburch]

4 x 20 gets my vote - works better for a 2 driver team, and getting out early is not high on the priority list for me.

Is on mine.
I go under the knife at 8a mon. morn.
I'm tired of driving with one arm. 8)


jb

[Mike Bell]

Uh, JB, that sounds serious. :shock:

I hope they can fix whatever it is that's bothering one of your arms bro!

[AI#97]

Having never been to hallet before the race weekend...yet! :wink: I will have to take you guys words that brakes won't be an issue after 40 minutes....

I will just drive slow wait to pass for the win until the last lap....seems to have worked pretty good at the last event! :P

[jeffburch]

Uh, JB, that sounds serious. :shock:

I hope they can fix whatever it is that's bothering one of your arms bro!

MB, thx for the kind words.
Just a little fun at my own expense.
I've mentioned it before, I believe.
Both of my elbows (orangutan) suffer from epicondylitis.
Tennis elbow.
Golfers elbow.
Racecar drivers elbow.

Actually, mechanics elbow.
The worst of the two, the left is getting fixed.
Simple day surgery with general anesthesia. No biggie.
Might do the other, dunno.

thx,
see ya soon,

jb

[chicane23]

I like the 20 min races.

Hallett is a busy track for one and 40 mins is going to give you a bunch of laps (32 laps).

Hallett is a small track and I don't want to pass the CMC cars twice in a 40 min race. ;-)

Standing starts are fun!

If not 4X20's then I would vote for 1 - 20 min & 1 - 30 min on Saturday & 1 - 30 min on Sunday.

[Boudy]

I can't vote cause I will be lucky if Ali signs me off to race at all. If I was to vote, I'd go with the 40 to give us time to feather Mitch on Sunday afternoon. :) :wink:

JB: Good luck on Monday, I hope it turns out well for you. As for racing with one arm; the second arm might just throw your rythem off long enough for somebody else to get a sticker... :lol:

Boudy

[jeffburch]

JB: Good luck on Monday, I hope it turns out well for you. As for racing with one arm; the second arm might just throw your rythem off long enough for somebody else to get a sticker... :lol:

Boudy

Thanks RB!
I just mounted up a new set of tars. Prolly hexed myself right there.
The '00s are gone. DAMN!

jb

[marshall_mosty]

Since I won't be there, I'm not going to skew the votes, but I would go for 2x20's and 1x40. I enjoyed "pushing" myself at MSR-H and would like that format again.

[AI#97]

Thanks RB!
I just mounted up a new set of tars.
jb

Well, given I have been waiting a month now for AI tires to come in from overseas....I am gonna have to beat up on the tires I started the season with.....these tires are begging for retirement. With the shelby meet next weekend at hallet and then the Nasa event just after....I am going to be sliding all over the place.

[marshall_mosty]

Matt,
When I was at MSR-C a couple of weeks ago, AJ said that he has plenty of shaved 275's from our April race that he didn't sell. I think they were $185 each... and he takes Toyo bucks now.

[y5e06]

Is this poll going to actually be used in determination of the sunday format?
In any case, when will we know for certain if we're doing 4x20 or 2x20+40?

[Boudy]

I just mounted up a new set of tars. Prolly hexed myself right there.
The '00s are gone. DAMN!

jb

WHAT!!! :shock: New tires! Yep, you're done, streaks over.

Boudy

[Waco Racer]

Yes this poll will help determine the format for Hallett I should make a decision by Monday.

[AI#97]

Matt,
When I was at MSR-C a couple of weeks ago, AJ said that he has plenty of shaved 275's from our April race that he didn't sell. I think they were $185 each... and he takes Toyo bucks now.

I know....it just suxx that Vilven already has my toyo bucks....If I could get them back, I would hit up PST with the quickness!! I might still go get two of them if they are already shaved....

[marshall_mosty]

Matt,
I'm sure Vilven will work with you since he is the one "out of stock". Explain the situation and that AJ has tires (purchased from Vilven even...).

You never know... Good luck.

[dirwin]

2 x 20 min 1 x 40 if it means packing up early. Otherwise 4 x 20's.

[Waco Racer]

OK, folks. Based on the numbers you will have 2 - 20's on Saturday and 1 - 40 on Sunday. With the main reason being travel time. The first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class. The second race will be inverted based on results of the first race and will be split between AI/X & CMC. The Sunday race will be a standing start based on qualifying times. Any rookie or driver that wants to can start at the back, you must inform the Class and/or Race Director prior to call to grid or you will start from the pit lane. I will be shorthanded and your cooperation in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

The schedule should be posted by Thursday. I do know that all racing will be completed by 3:30 on Sunday.

The format will be 2 - 20's each day for the last two events of the season.

[michaelmosty]

Thanks for the early heads up Clifton!!

[AI#97]

Badass Clifton...you have achieved something that we have been looking for a long time!!! Kudos man!

Look forward to the schedule on Thursday! :wink:

[mitchntx]

Any rookie or driver that wants to can start at the front, you must inform the Class and/or Race Director prior to call to grid or you will start from the pit lane.


I would like to start up front, please.

:P

[Waco Racer]

Sure Mitch you can start at the front of those that start at the back.

FYI, I do accept bribes for preferred grid placement.

[Mike Bell]

first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class.

Muhaahahahaha - any AI cars qual'd behind me must stay behind me for the duration of the race. 8)

Can you say "park it at the apex"?? I can........ :shock:

[CMC17]

Any rookie or driver that wants to can start at the front, you must inform the Class and/or Race Director prior to call to grid or you will start from the pit lane.


I would like to start up front, please.

:P

White Firebirds - first
Red Mustangs that their car numbers add up to = 8 - second
Everyone else can flip for it.

That good enough for ya? For enough $$.. I can make it happen. lol

[CMC17]

first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class.

Muhaahahahaha - any AI cars qual'd behind me must stay behind me for the duration of the race. 8)

Can you say "park it at the apex"?? I can........ :shock:

No split grid eh? Definitely going to be interesting... and I hope that I qual in front of Mr. Bell. lol :D

[Mike Bell]

New mods, back of the car is now 11.5 ft wide. Not sure how I'll deal with that push condition tho........ :D

[Adam Ginsberg]

No split grid eh? Definitely going to be interesting... and I hope that I qual in front of Mr. Bell. lol :D

Split grids are only on inverted starts, not the races we qualify for.

[mitchntx]

New mods, back of the car is now 11.5 ft wide.

That'll generate some downforce ....

[CMC17]

No split grid eh? Definitely going to be interesting... and I hope that I qual in front of Mr. Bell. lol :D

Split grids are only on inverted starts, not the races we qualify for.

Ugh.. I stand corrected and not sure why I said that. lol!! Must the pressure lately. You guys STOP sending me PM's!!! 8) :lol:

[Lewis Tanner]

New mods, back of the car is now 11.5 ft wide. Not sure how I'll deal with that push condition tho........ :D

Giant rear sway bar.

Is all of the covered parking spoken for? I'm still in need of a spot!

[Adam Ginsberg]

Is all of the covered parking spoken for? I'm still in need of a spot!

Better make a call to Scott, ASAP.

[Boudy]

I can't get him to call me back!

Boudy

[Waco Racer]

Hey folks, I am working on the schedule right now. I will need to get final approval from the track, School Director, and Shannon. It should be released Friday.

[David Love AI27]

first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class.

Muhaahahahaha - any AI cars qual'd behind me must stay behind me for the duration of the race. 8)

Can you say "park it at the apex"?? I can........ :shock:

Does that mean if I qualify next to you I MUST stay next to you for the entire race??? Glad I installed that "fish eye" mirror on passanger side... there is no way that the #18 in my mirror was "closer than it appeared"... :shock: oh and just so you know, I replaced my autozone pads with some new Hawks, so maybe now I can practice those dive bombing moves you used on me... :twisted:

[David Love AI27]

I can't get him to call me back!

Boudy

ME EITHER... I was trying to get an enclosed garage...

[Mike Bell]

first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class.

Muhaahahahaha - any AI cars qual'd behind me must stay behind me for the duration of the race. 8)

Can you say "park it at the apex"?? I can........ :shock:

Does that mean if I qualify next to you I MUST stay next to you for the entire race??? Glad I installed that "fish eye" mirror on passanger side... there is no way that the #18 in my mirror was "closer than it appeared"... :shock: oh and just so you know, I replaced my autozone pads with some new Hawks, so maybe now I can practice those dive bombing moves you used on me... :twisted:

Depends on which one of us gets through T1 first, lol. ;)

[David Love AI27]

first race on Saturday will be based on qualifying times no matter the class.

Muhaahahahaha - any AI cars qual'd behind me must stay behind me for the duration of the race. 8)

Can you say "park it at the apex"?? I can........ :shock:

Does that mean if I qualify next to you I MUST stay next to you for the entire race??? Glad I installed that "fish eye" mirror on passanger side... there is no way that the #18 in my mirror was "closer than it appeared"... :shock: oh and just so you know, I replaced my autozone pads with some new Hawks, so maybe now I can practice those dive bombing moves you used on me... :twisted:

Depends on which one of us gets through T1 first, lol. ;)

ooohhh ok... NO SOUP FOR YOU!!! :twisted:

[Mike Bell]

I'm not on 7 cylinders anymore. Soup all around bruthah! :lol:

[chicane23]

I hope you guy are ready to work your butt off! Hallett will keep you very busy for 40 mins!

You willl be sore on Monday or Tuesday!

[Waco Racer]

The schedule has been sent to the yahoo groups email.

[Mike Bell]

Why are we racing Groups 5 and 8 together?

[Waco Racer]

Because there may not be that many group 8 cars. I'm thinking 5 at the most.

[Mike Bell]

Great, that's just what I want is some superfast GPC car up my CMC rear coming over the T8 hill and into T9 at Hallett.

It was exciting enough at MSRH practicing with the Panoz drivers!

[jeffburch]

Might as well do 4 races then.
A 40 and a 20 each day.

jb

[CMC17]

@#$@%@ @#$@#% @#$#$ @#$# %#@@#$ %##$#@@!!!!

[AI#97]

@#$@%@ @#$@#% @#$#$ @#$# %#@@#$ %##$#@@!!!!

Yes, please keep this to three races.....I only want to use 3 drops for this event please!!! :wink:

[David Love AI27]

@#$@%@ @#$@#% @#$#$ @#$# %#@@#$ %##$#@@!!!!

sumit on yer mind EV?? git et owt... go ahed... wer all listinin...

[chicane23]

What a joy it is!

Put GPC with some other group, why are we the dumping ground all the time?

[jeffburch]

What a joy it is!

Put GPC with some other group, why are we the dumping ground all the time?

We're (AI/CMC) the only ground.
Will we have a place to race this time next year?
Next event?



jb

[CMC17]

What a joy it is!

Put GPC with some other group, why are we the dumping ground all the time?

We're (AI/CMC) the only ground.
Will we have a place to race this time next year?
Next event?



jb

NASA going belly up on us? Inside information? Please do tell.

[CMC17]

@#$@%@ @#$@#% @#$#$ @#$# %#@@#$ %##$#@@!!!!

sumit on yer mind EV?? git et owt... go ahed... wer all listinin...

I would translate it, but it would come across as whining. lol

[jeffburch]

No insider info. Just an observation (Carmack).

No formula cars. All but a couple of MX5's are gone. What's the car count now vs. a year ago?

jb

[David Love AI27]

No insider info. Just an observation (Carmack).

No formula cars. All but a couple of MX5's are gone. What's the car count now vs. a year ago?

jb

I wonder if the nubers are down for SCCA and others??? I guess I need to go work a race an find out...

[chicane23]

We're (AI/CMC) the only ground.
Will we have a place to race this time next year?
Next event?jb

There is always somewhere to race, if you have the desire to race.

Hallett has COMMA, which is a total blast.
AV8SS is growing strong. http://www.av8ss.com/

Hell, there's money in dirt car racing. ;-)

Hallett will have the fewer number of cars, but you will have the most fun here! This is why GPC is being dumped in our group. ;-)

[Mike Bell]

I love Hallett, but hate the distance. Worth a trip at least once a year when I can swing the days off from work.

I have no idea what the car count break even number is for NASATX, but don't forget that DE and TT cars count towards entry fees as well (although lower entry fees lol). I'm not sure what's going on with the SM group, according to their schedule the NASA May event at MSRH was supposed to be part of their season, the NASA June event is also:

http://www.specmiataracing.net/Schedule.aspx

I think many SM drivers skipped MSRH because there was an SCCA event at TWS the following weekend on their schedule. Hopefully they will be back and keep the racing revenues high for NASATX so we can continue to have fun in the sun.

[Waco Racer]

Practice is not mandatory. We had lots of time to spread around, use it as you see fit. Travel distence in the main reason why numbers will be low at Hallett. Plus SM being a SCCA National class. Get ready for TWS in August though, there may be 200 cars there.

[Lewis Tanner]

http://www.atspeedimages.com/csrg_2005/1930_morgan_super_aero_larry_ayers.jpg

I heard that this guy was going to be at Hallett as well and he'll be in our class too. :shock: :shock: :lol:

[jeffburch]

LOL!
Or this guy......

[oz98cobra]

I don't get it - we are finishing at 2:45 on Saturday?? And yet groups 5 and 8 are combined?

Sunday I can understand, but not Saturday if we are finishing at 2:45! Even if they only have 4 cars in their group, they could have their own races Saturday and we don't have to deal with the speed differential between CMC and GPC - and they won't have to deal with the traffic?

And we'd still be done for the day by 3:30

[AI#97]

Ya'll have fun now, ya hear?!

See you in August..... :(

[y5e06]

Has the file been removed for changes? I do not see it on the yahoo groups files or in the emails.

[Adam Ginsberg]

The Challenger 5 schedule is on the cmc-ai-texas@yahoogroups.com email list.

[chicane23]

The weather this weekend was not very good for race cars. New production cars were over heating like crazy.
The new Shelby 500 (2 of them) were just running laps and were puking water from the heat. Everyone was just running a few laps and coming in yesterday.
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USOK0236?from=search_city

I hope everyone is ready for a very hot Hallett event and have very big radiators and oil coolers.

Next weekend is even hotter!
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USOK0236?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

[AI#97]

The weather this weekend was not very good for race cars. New production cars were over heating like crazy.
The new Shelby 500 (2 of them) were just running laps and were puking water from the heat. Everyone was just running a few laps and coming in yesterday.
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USOK0236?from=search_city

I hope everyone is ready for a very hot Hallett event and have very big radiators and oil coolers.

Next weekend is even hotter!
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USOK0236?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

Add to that, all the vintage cars were laying down oil like crazy... :shock:

Be careful guys!

[michaelmosty]

I just saw the schedule for the first time. :shock:

It looks like the low # of run groups means very little down-time between our sessions. With 40 minutes between practice and qual. and 50 minutes between races, I hope I don't have to make any adjustments.
There's barely enough time to get a tire flipped. :?

Can there be some adjustments made to the schedule to give us a little more time between sessions???

[Lewis Tanner]

Can there be some adjustments made to the schedule to give us a little more time between sessions???

Why would you want that? It's not like anything breaks when racing, right?

Give them enough time and they'll have us running back-to-back sessions. :x

How many people that actually race have input on the schedule? And I'm not counting the "thanks for your opinion, we'll take that into consideration" input, I mean how many racers are involved in putting the schedule together?

[chicane23]

How many people that actually race have input on the schedule? And I'm not counting the "thanks for your opinion, we'll take that into consideration" input, I mean how many racers are involved in putting the schedule together?


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[Boudy]

Edited to remove foot from mouth. Have a nice day.

Hmmm...

Boudy

[Mike Bell]

Yikes, looks like we're headed for a HEAT WAVE! :shock:

[Waco Racer]

How many people that actually race have input on the schedule? And I'm not counting the "thanks for your opinion, we'll take that into consideration" input, I mean how many racers are involved in putting the schedule together?


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Wrong answer.

[Mike Bell]

Clifton,

Any chance for some "schedule adjustments" then?

[Waco Racer]

Can there be some adjustments made to the schedule to give us a little more time between sessions???

How much time do you need? Please consider the other people involved in track operations before you answer. I'm not being sarcastic here but looking for a realistic number.

[Mike Bell]

Can there be some adjustments made to the schedule to give us a little more time between sessions???

How much time do you need? Please consider the other people involved in track operations before you answer. I'm not being sarcastic here but looking for a realistic number.

I have no idea the scope of "track operations" but I'd like to see 1.5 hrs between sessions if possible.

[michaelmosty]

Clifton,
In my opinion I would like to see at least 1 hour b/w sessions (practice and qual.) with hopefully 1:15 - 1:30 between the Saturday races.
Thank you,

[jeffburch]

I'm with JG.
The heat/humidity is prolly gonna be too much for a 40 min.
Especially on this little track. But, will suck it up regardless.
Running it as a sprint isn't ideal.
Who wants to be the rabbit this time?

I'm allowed to change my tune!

CW, an hour and a half between races is good.
(thx for the tix! and for putting up w/our b.s.)

jb

[Waco Racer]

I'll try to get close to that.

Oh, and there will be 2 20's on Sunday instead of 1 40 and you won't get away from the track any later than the original schedule.

[CMC17]

I'll try to get close to that.

Oh, and there will be 2 20's on Sunday instead of 1 40 and you won't get away from the track any later than the original schedule.

WTF???? Some racers might have made changes to their schedule and commitments to miss this race and only have to take three drops instead of four. Last minute changes like this a few days before the even when the schedule was already posted does not bode well. I'm just one voice speaking my peace, but to change the number of races at the last minute?? C'mon!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

[donovan]

two, three or four races... it's all good...

Four works for me just as three did...

[Mike Bell]

Doesn't that sort of burn Matt White and any other racers who may have decided they can take the 3 race drops this weekend? :roll:

[Waco Racer]

Would you rather have a 40 min race with a 2 hr "intermission".

[AI#97]

I'll try to get close to that.

Oh, and there will be 2 20's on Sunday instead of 1 40 and you won't get away from the track any later than the original schedule.

WTF???? Some racers might have made changes to their schedule and commitments to miss this race and only have to take three drops instead of four. Last minute changes like this a few days before the even when the schedule was already posted does not bode well. I'm just one voice speaking my peace, but to change the number of races at the last minute?? C'mon!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Fucking right man! Had it been 4 races, I would not have made the decision to say screw it and take my drops.... Pardon me for sounding PISSED OFF but come on...???!!! Why not compromise and do 1 ea. 30 minute race on sunday instead. Rant off on me but for fuck's sake make a decision and stick with it. I am sitting here steaming right now trying to decide whether or not to throw the pile of parts I HAVE got together and drag it up there if this is the case.... 3 races still allowed for one more drop with 2 events remaing....a safe decision, 4 races just crunches that. Not saying everyone should bow and cater to benefit just one person and I thank Eric and Mike for also making the point but continually changing things is just too damn frustrating and wrong. :mad as all hell smiley:

I would almost....rather have a decision made by race control 3 weeks in advance that I didn't agree with than the continuous changes up till 4 days before a race that screw with my car prep.

Clifton, I am sorry for being so angry but if you are asking us for how much time we need between on track sessions, how about a question of how much time some of us need between events to make car prep, or season points/championship decisions......??? Just a suggestion.....

for the record, I change my vote to 2 ea. 40 minute races...1 saturday and 1 on Sunday. Seems there is still time to change your minds?! :roll:

[mitchntx]

"I just want to sing."
Prince Herbert - Monty Python and the Holy Grail; c 1975

[Mike Bell]

Would you rather have a 40 min race with a 2 hr "intermission".

I'd rather:

1.) We had a schedule like MSRH with 1.5 hour gaps between races
2.) We had group 5 racing alone on track without Group 8 thrown in
3.) I'd also rather the number of races was a given, not a variable
4.) I'd rather not get fined when other groups get warned

Since none of that seems to be on the agenda, was that a rhetorical question or something else?

[donovan]

It's not any different than half you guys asking for double points…

I don’t see that it matters... the weekend could change at any time... we could have two races... three or four... anything can happen.

We could argue that people were banking on four races each weekend and this 40 minute race thing has screwed people, you can look at it any way you want... good or bad, it’s how you want to swing it...

It seems like they have asked for input time and time again and they try to accommodate us when they can.

I have no opinion as to the amount of races or the race format… I never bank on anything till Saturday morning… there is nothing I can do to my schedule (I’m either there or I’m not) or my racecar to prepare for two races, three races, or four races… 20 min or 40 min races or 30 minutes between races or two hours between races…

I head into the weekend with an open mind and it’s always out there that the schedule might change as circumstances during the weekend or before could change things. I have confidence that NASA is doing what they can to work with us and to keep the changes to a minimum. They have never disappointed me.

David D.

[AI#97]

"I just want to sing."
Prince Herbert - Monty Python and the Holy Grail; c 1975

Ha ha! Bring me a shrubbery!

[micah]

yeah MB doesn't do well in extended heat and he drives a black car :lol: from the other MB that drives a black stang

[micah]

yeah MB doesn't do well in extended heat and he drives a black car :lol: from the other MB that drives a black stang

[AI#97]

We could argue that people were banking on four races each weekend and this 40 minute race thing has screwed people, you can look at it any way you want... good or bad, it’s how you want to swing it...

It seems like they have asked for input time and time again and they try to accommodate us when they can.

David, i would agree that on saturday morning I arrive with the attitude TIMING can change, however the format doesn't.

The argument here is develop a plan for the weekend.... 1 race or 100 races, we don't care....but once you broadcast it to the entire group via the accepted "un-official" medium, stick to it....some of us make firm plans along that release and once that's done, OUR plans don't change.

<___________deleted durogatory remark goes here____________> :roll:

[Mike Bell]

True Micah, very true. I need a Margarita IV stat.

[gt40]

yeah MB doesn't do well in extended heat and he drives a black car :lol: from the other MB that drives a black stangBlack cars unite! :)

Personally, I don't care what schedule we have provided:

The schedule is solid for at least two weeks preceeding an event. This gives us at least a minimum amount of time to decide to attend or not.
We have ample downtime in between sessions to wrench on the cars (I'd prefer at least 90 minutes.)
Classes are grouped to prevent large discrepancies in lap times or sector speeds.

[chicane23]

I will say that originally Hallett was going to be 4 - 20 min races and this was due to the heat. The biggest problem I see with this is the heat and heat takes a toll on everyone and everything.

We don't want to loose people from heat related issues.

With the amount of time and the number of run groups it's kind of nice to see 4 races. Hallett for 20 mins is like 14-16 laps for AI.

Not to mention, if we get more races, then we get more drops.

[donovan]

David, i would agree that on saturday morning I arrive with the attitude TIMING can change, however the format doesn't.

The argument here is develop a plan for the weekend.... 1 race or 100 races, we don't care....but once you broadcast it to the entire group via the accepted "un-official" medium, stick to it....some of us make firm plans along that release and once that's done, OUR plans don't change.

True, we have never had the format change... and true we have yet to miss a race due to weekend track situation, we had two close calls, but I think we have made every scheduled race in three seasons.

I hear you on the format change the week of the event... This would be a first that I have seen. I was just expression how I look upon the weekend... and really, if I was attending or not attending it would not change my opinion.

It's unfortunate that you might have to scramble to make the race because of a format change... but if you were ready to go and the car was ready would you really care? Honestly? Three race or four races, and heading home at the same time either way!

Playing Devils Advocate!
:twisted:

[dirwin]

3 races, 4 races, 15 races, who cares, you break it at Hallett in 105 degree heat and you probably ain't fixin' it at the track in 3 hours much less 50 minutes.

JG, you are right with the heat, it is going to be a bear, 20 or 40 minute races.

I think NASA is really just trying to accommodate, all be it a little too close to race day, the intentions are good. I raced several years with SCCA, they don't accommodate ANYONE, and they don't ask for and will not listen to your opinions.

Changing the schedule will mean different things to different people, MW does have a point though, say it's so and stick to it.

Me, take my opinion for what it's worth, hell, I am used to racing Factory Fives, our weekends: show up, be the only car there, break something that nobody has, pack up and go home. Shit I'm just happy to have someone other than myself to race with. :D

[cmarvel]

Personally, I like the 40 minute races. I know its hot, but a 40 minute race is really more typical of what you see at the national / professional level. I think we are doing a dis-service to those who will represent us at Nationals by going back to the two 20 minute race format.

Two 20's on Saturday and one 40 on Sunday gives us a chance to develop both skill sets.

[donovan]

3 races, 4 races, 15 races, who cares, you break it at Hallett in 105 degree heat and you probably ain't fixin' it at the track in 3 hours much less 50 minutes.

Heat = Bad


JG, you are right with the heat, it is going to be a bear, 20 or 40 minute races.

Heat = Bad


I think NASA is really just trying to accommodate, all be it a little too close to race day, the intentions are good. I raced several years with SCCA, they don't accommodate ANYONE, and they don't ask for and will not listen to your opinions.

That is more or less what I was trying to say, you said it much better.


Changing the schedule will mean different things to different people, MW does have a point though, say it's so and stick to it.

Agreed, but what I was getting at is in the end three or four, it really does not matter. I do agree that if they post something they should stick to it… I think they are just trying to accommodate us again whether its heat or time related they are trying!


Me, take my opinion for what it's worth, hell, I am used to racing Factory Fives, our weekends: show up, be the only car there, break something that nobody has, pack up and go home. shoo-diddley-diddley I'm just happy to have someone other than myself to race with. :D

Welcome to the family, my spare parts box is your spare parts box!
David D.

[AI#97]

[quote=AI#97]
It's unfortunate that you might have to scramble to make the race because of a format change... but if you were ready to go and the car was ready would you really care? Honestly? Three race or four races, and heading home at the same time either way!

Playing Devils Advocate!
:twisted:

No, I wouldn't care....the predacation of my decision to NOT attend was the fact there was ONLY going to be 3 races and would ONLY cost me 3 drops....still leaving me two drops for the remaining 8 races. Now I have to drop 4 and have only 1 in the remaining 8. Not ideal but doable and puts ME in a worse position. In a season long points chase, these kind of decisions affect us and CONSISTANCY is what we are asking for here so we can make decisions that affect US.

Bottom line is WE the racers make decisions based on the plans distributed by NASA and WE as the racers bear the costs of those decisions, ESPECIALLY when they change at a moment's notice. I appreciated NASA's efforts to appease everyone but I think we all know that is impossible.

Irregardless, I am not going to hallet...if it is 3 drops or 4 drops I don't care at this point. My only point is when decisions are made based on posting a poll for what we want, and the majority states their wishes, then a decision is distributed validating that poll and the process to get what we want..........DON'T change your mind 4 days before a race. How rediculous does that make a sanctioning body look? How does this affect our attitudes towards the series? How inviting does this look to people looking to come into the series? Way too many short sided decisions... :? :( :x

[donovan]

Two 20's on Saturday and one 40 on Sunday gives us a chance to develop both skill sets.

Who's driving #91 this weekend...!!! 8)

[gt40]

Two 20's on Saturday and one 40 on Sunday gives us a chance to develop both skill sets.I agree with Chris, even though I'd prefer two 20's in Sunday (I changed my mind after seeing how hot it was going to be.)

While I think I can last for 40 minutes with a cool suit, I have my doubts about my car's cooling system.

Still -- that's part of racing. You and your equipment have to last the distance, and if you can't you either drop out of the race, or figure out a way of conserving your resources.

[donovan]

MW,

I hear ya, and it does suck... I'm 100% with you... I just felt like playing along.

I wish you could be there, I was really looking forward to racing hard with you again. I have been watching the videos from the last event over and over.

Are you sure you can't get it together in time?
Is there anything we could do to help out?

[Mike Bell]

Look, it's not just Matt on the fence. I didn't want to post my whine because, well, it's my problemo:

I found a burned valve on my CMC motor two weeks back, had a set of heads freshened up and installed. Was all excited to finally get on par with some of you CMC speedsters. :lol:

Went to the dyno this past weekend and the numbers were not good, 195HP/256TQ. Spent most of Sunday scratching my head on what went wrong but figured hey, I could take a 3 race hit in the pts and still survive in the pts race if I needed that option. (I already have one DFL for 85 pts and a goose egg thanks to my blown clutch at MSRC). Four races vs Three does change the landscape IMHO. I've ranted enough on this topic.

I'm opting for the lakeside weekend with the family. Less stress on me and I can have more time to figure out what's going on with my motor.

I'll catch up to you folks next go-round hopefully.

[chicane23]

Personally, I like the 40 minute races. I know its hot, but a 40 minute race is really more typical of what you see at the national / professional level. I think we are doing a dis-service to those who will represent us at Nationals by going back to the two 20 minute race format.

Two 20's on Saturday and one 40 on Sunday gives us a chance to develop both skill sets.

Yea, but Mid-Ohio is not going to be 99 degs in Sept. and I don't think NASA sees the since in putting health and equipment to the test for a non-professional level race, nor do I.

[jeffburch]

I wish to change my above poll vote from the majority, to 8 ten min. races as qualified. 8)

jb

[Waco Racer]

Here's another kick in the pants.

If I officially release the 4 - 20 schedule, how do you want to be lined up? Inverted by finishing order, youngest to oldest, car number, car weight, driver weight, brith date, inverted alphabetical by middle name, first come - first serve?

[donovan]

Here's another kick in the pants.

If I officially release the 4 - 20 schedule, how do you want to be lined up? Inverted by finishing order, youngest to oldest, car number, car weight, driver weight, brith date, inverted alphabetical by middle name, first come - first serve?

Race 1 qual
Race 2 inverted qual

Race 3 qual
Race 4 inverted from race 3

[dirwin]

I vote for car/driver weight :D . Who here beats 3509? I always wanted to start from the pole, I would like to thank my sponsors, oh wait, I don't have any sponsors :shock: .

Clifton, you didn't mention my second choice, pole goes to whoever doesn't overheat in practice :shock:

[y5e06]

As Mike B & Matt W have done I am/was scheduling 3-drops for this weekend as it looks unfavorable for my attendence due to many issues including a CMC car in multiple pieces & no time.
I made heavy consideration based upon the earlier scheduled 3 race format. Not that I have much in the real fight for points I still like to play along. :)
Last minute changes suck. :(
So, once and for all, is it 4x20 or 2x20+40?

[gt40]

Here's another kick in the pants.

If I officially release the 4 - 20 schedule, how do you want to be lined up? Inverted by finishing order, youngest to oldest, car number, car weight, driver weight, brith date, inverted alphabetical by middle name, first come - first serve?Driver's weight! That way me and Marvel will be up front! :D

[chicane23]

Here's another kick in the pants.

If I officially release the 4 - 20 schedule, how do you want to be lined up? Inverted by finishing order, youngest to oldest, car number, car weight, driver weight, brith date, inverted alphabetical by middle name, first come - first serve?

It would really be nice to Qualify for each race. ;-) That would make it really competitive! ok... I was dreaming a bit!

Race 1 - Qualify order
Race 2 - Inverted finishing order within class (AIX, AI, CMC)

Race 3 - Qualify order
Race 4 - Inverted finishing order within class (AIX, AI, CMC)

[Adam Ginsberg]

NASA Texas, IMO, gets kudos for considering the racers, and asking for input. Not everyone is going to be happy with the schedule, no matter which way it's done.

I prefer a 40min race on Sunday to the 2/20 format - but that's my own personal preference. However, I'm good with either format.

Looking at the weather forcast, I think it's prudent we look at changing it to a 4/20 weekend.

Let's take it easy on Clifton - he's really trying to help us out.

[AI#97]

MW,

I hear ya, and it does suck... I'm 100% with you... I just felt like playing along.

I wish you could be there, I was really looking forward to racing hard with you again. I have been watching the videos from the last event over and over.

Are you sure you can't get it together in time?
Is there anything we could do to help out?

David, I COULD get the car together as all the parts will be here Wednesday by 10am... and two long nights is long enough to bolt it all up, pray the heads aren't warped and work out something on the fuel rails to prevent end of line injector starving....then dyno friday morning and drive up Friday night.....however, I too am going to enjoy a weekend at the lake with the wife on a boat I never get to use. With drops figured in it is unlikely I would still be sitting on top at the end of the year anyway so why beat myself up over it? Just have to figure out how to beat Marvel the rest of the year and take my second place! :wink:

Hey Clifton, I would like to amend the plan and vote we just have the event at Cresson! Is it too late to make that change? fuel/fire...... :roll:

[CMC17]

Not enough time and/or motivation to get CMC17 ready for this weekend. I will be enjoying the racing at GatorSpeedway on Saturday and enjoying Father's day with the family on Sunday.

Be safe.

[mitchntx]

Damn ... are there gonna be enough cars there to qualify for Toyo bucks?

The car count is getting scarey thin.

[Lewis Tanner]

I'll try to get close to that.

Oh, and there will be 2 20's on Sunday instead of 1 40 and you won't get away from the track any later than the original schedule.

Clifton,

Here's a little communications tip from the peanut gallery - when you make a decision like this at the last second, explaining the logic behind it goes a long way towards deflecting the kind of heat you're getting. Let's face it, NASA TX has had consistently poor performance when it comes to establishing a schedule in a timely manner and meeting that schedule, so it's pretty easy to jump to the conclusion that this is yet another snafu being dropped onto the laps of the racers when we don't get all of the information - especially when the change is delivered in such a matter of fact manner. I know you're working hard to change that, but there's enough history there so you have to understand where we're coming from as well and take that into account.

Safety trumps all, but communication is a close second when you're dealing with a group like this.

That's my $.02.

-LT

[Waco Racer]

Thanks Lewis, that's kinda what I figured. I appreciate your understanding. I know that I will be questioned no matter what I do but I will try to get it right before the event. But even then things can happen that completely alter what happens at these events. I am new to setting the schedule and I wanted this group to have a say as to what was going to happen in Hallett. Some things I can change (time allowed per session) and some I can't (the weather). There will be plenty of time to set the schedule for TWS, but I will be starting to work on it before the end of the month. This group won't have as much say at that event but it will be a huge factor in time allowed per group. This group supports NASA as much if not more that any other group. It is the only pure NASA group and that should be rewarded. Any changes I make that do not directly benefit AI/CMC are not meant to take away from your time or enjoyment, but to add to NASA Texas as a whole. I do my job for the love of the sport not for financial gain or because I am some kind control freak. I deal with the drivers and the staff and sometimes I get pulled in two different directions. I try to find a happy medium but it is not always easy. I volunteered for this job and I enjoy most of it and anything y'all can suggest to make it easier for me is appreciated.

[AI#97]

I am new to setting the schedule and I wanted this group to have a say as to what was going to happen in Hallett. This group won't have as much say at that event but it will be a huge factor in time allowed per group.

Clifton, we know this and Lewis had a very valid point. I like the way you came on here early, say 3 weeks ago and asked for our input on format. We appreciated it and I would assume we all took into account the variables affecting our answer to the poll.

What you will find in this group dynamic is that there are 23 different opinions for what YOU should do for us. I would suggest, taking the concensus like you did, make the decision and not change it. the way this has been handled is as if one or two people chimmed in off line about the heat...well, as racers, they need to prepare for that....the rest of us have figured it out....we think.

You are never going to please all of us and we are adults and know that. the most frustrating part of this is the constant changing of decisions and frankly, that is more frustrating to deal with than figuring out how to run a 40 minute race in 100 degree heat which could be as simple as have it at 10 am when its only 90 degrees....

There are SO MANY more options than just arbitrarily changing the race format.

and yes, I am bucking for the longest post award at the banquet.... :D

[chicane23]

I completely understand Clifton and I believe your decision is in the best interest of the whole group, not just me or Chris or anyone else.

We appreciate the work that you do and the time you spend doing it. It is nice that you are actually listening to us and giving us a chance to give input.
This may be a day late or whatever, but it’s a start in the right direction and more than I can say has ever happened in this group before.

[chicane23]

Hey, if we get the schedule tomorrow, its still earlier than we have had it the past. ;-)

[cmarvel]

As for who will be driving #91, you'll have to wait and see :wink:

I will be happy to race no matter what the format.

BTW, It certainly can get into the 90's in Ohio in September. Not for long, but usually for a couple of days. That would give our folks quite an advantage!

[macstang]

I just got an email from NASA Southeast. They are running Rockingham this weekend:

each race group gets 4 30 minute races, 2 25 min practice, and 2 25 min qual. There are 2 race groups, large bore and small bore.

Each DE group gets 12, 6 per day, 20 minute DE sessions.

They are also running an instructor clinic that includes 6 hours of classroom, and all those DE sessions.

Not bashing anyone, just shedding light on other regions.

http://www.nasa-southeast.com/2006Jun17.html

[macstang]

BTW, It certainly can get into the 90's in Ohio in September. Not for long, but usually for a couple of days. That would give our folks quite an advantage!

I got back from Ohio today, I was in long pants and a sweatshirt yesterday.

[micah]

clifton, for R4 you should start black cars on pole since they suffer the most in heat, but allow said car to be last car to grid, sitting on grid in black car really sucks

[Todd Covini]

I lost track of who was for/against 40 minute races....who was for/against 3 races...who was for/against 4 races.

Can we take another vote??? :D

-=- Todd

[mitchntx]

Anyone seen the remote?

http://williamhise.smugmug.com/photos/74096218-M.jpg

[David Love AI27]

clifton, for R4 you should start black cars on pole since they suffer the most in heat, but allow said car to be last car to grid, sitting on grid in black car really sucks

I agree... AIX 1st, AI 2nd and then CMC with the darker colors in front of each group... what am I saying??? i'll be up in front anyway if inverted based on finishing order.... maybe I'll volunteer to start at the rear... I would hate to back into the entire field...

[Waco Racer]

OK people, check your email then let me have it.

[jeffburch]

I like!

Thx CW!

jb

[chicane23]

OK people, check your email then let me have it.

What email????

[Waco Racer]

Are you on the NASA Texas email list? If not then check the Yahoo groups NASA TX messages.

[chicane23]

Did anyone else get the email??

[jeffburch]

It was sent from nasa tx info yahoo ( NASATxNews@yahoogroups.com) .
I forwarded it to the old yahoo.
Couldn't copy it here for some reason.
Send me an email and I'll forward it to there.

jb

[mitchntx]

I got both ...

[michaelmosty]

It looks great to me Clifton, thanks!!

[donovan]

Looks good!

[CMC17]

We still getting 6 drops? If not, color me done.

[RichardP]

Mathmatically, we are at five drops whether we do three or four races for the remaining events.


Richard Pedersen
#91 LX 5.0

[GlennCMC70]

if we do 3 races for the rest of the year, its 4.8 drops. if we do 4 races for the rest of the year, its 5.2 drops. both round to 5 drops.
you dont have any 0's @ this point so what is there to worry about?

[AI#97]

if we do 3 races for the rest of the year, its 4.8 drops. if we do 4 races for the rest of the year, its 5.2 drops. both round to 5 drops.
you dont have any 0's @ this point so what is there to worry about?

If you don't attend this weekend HE won't be able to drop any Non-podium finishes!

[GlennCMC70]

not sure why thats a problem. i carried a 0 last year and still managed 5th.

[AI#97]

not sure why thats a problem. i carried a 0 last year and still managed 5th.

he might end up only getting..cough, cough, Second, cough, cough.....

[CMC17]

I'm just whining as usual. Nothing new and you all should be used to it by now.

Have fun at Hallett and be safe!

[Todd Covini]

I believe there are cracks in the armor of our 2 two-time champions!!! :twisted:

Will they be able to overcome???
Will adversity conquer all???

Stay tuned next week, boys and girls...
Same bat-time....same bat-channel....

-=- T

Buwahahahahahah

(I liked the cat photo, Mitch.)

[CMC17]

At least the name on the wooden plaque is spelled correctly. I'd be more than happy to get it in the mail to you.

[Todd Covini]

At least the name on the wooden plaque is spelled correctly.

I'll take that as a complement, good sir.
No need to mail me the perpetual award.

(yet) :shock:

-=- T

[AI#97]

I believe there are cracks in the armor of our 2 two-time champions!!! :twisted:


I am going to try and open a hole in JG's armor but it will be tough! :p you guys be safe!