six point harness differences

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12-27-2013, 02:34 PM
ShadowBolt

six point harness differences

I have to replace the harness in the 55 prior to the first race. What is the difference in a $150.00 G-Force and a $565.00 Schroth? We were thinking about trying a pull up this time (never had one). My old harness had 2013 marked on it (I purchased the car in 2009). Do they all come with a five year date? I see some are two year and some are five. What do I look for to get the five year belts?

I still have to get the car back from Illicit Motorsports (Wild Rides S-Box installed plus new K-Member and new Rack). Should have it back by the end of next week. I have to change the fluids, figure out why it starves for fuel below half a tank, install the new harness, install new mufflers and tail pipes, get a new Medical (every two years when you are an old guy like me). All in nine or ten days. I have no idea who is going to do my medical since the Flight doctor I used to go to killed himself in a plane crash right after I got my last one. I would like to get both medicals done at the same time and same place if possible.

JJ
12-27-2013, 03:25 PM
ShadowBolt

This is what I found.

http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo...cingbelts.html

We want a green harness but I would like a five year. I assume the SFI 16.1 is only good for two years? Alsi since I don't have my car where I can look at it. Is the sub belt usually two inch? Also I just remembered the harness onm the car now the shoulder straps wrap around the roll bar.

JJ
12-27-2013, 06:15 PM
Al Fernandez

Sfi is two, FIA are five...Generally they cost the same. I tried a pull up on e but found it harder to tighten since the adjustment is down by the mount bolt ymmv
12-27-2013, 10:13 PM
Suck fumes

As someone who sells harnesses of all makes and models, I will tell you there is a huge difference in quality between g-force (lower end) and schroth (higher end) belts. I have used Gforce, RCA, Sabelt etc in the past and the biggest difference you get for the price is the buckle and release mechanism quality. The schroth belts have been my favorite and for the past two cars I've raced I bought the pull up profi 2 Hans 6pts. The Hans belts are the safest model out there cause they won't slide off the Hans due to the belt being narrower at the shoulders. The buckles are smooth and the adjustment brackets are easy to loosen and tighten. So it all depends on how nice you want to go but there definitely is a difference in quality. Almost all schroth belts are FIA 5 yr belts too, which is why they are more. Most of the cheaper belts are SFI 2 yr. the Gforce is the only exception at $155 for FIA. But in my opinion the schroth Hans belts are a better harness.
12-27-2013, 11:19 PM
Casey_SS

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Originally Posted by Suck fumes

...there is a huge difference in quality between g-force (lower end) and schroth (higher end) belts. ..

Yup. When I built my car, I spent most of the budget on safety gear and tried to scrape by with a lot of used go-fast parts to at least finish the build and start racing. All of my research said the Scroth Profi II Hans harness was the way to go, so I did and have been really happy with it. Later, I put a passenger seat in the car and went with a cheaper harness. I couldn't believe the quality difference in the hardware. The 'el cheapo harness is MUCH harder to get in and out of. It's literally painful to work the adjusters through their full range...not Hollywood-style dramatic painful, just normal everyday annoying painful. You know...the kind that's mostly tolerable when it's hot outside but will make you cuss a blue streak every time it drops below 65 degrees.

Love my Schroth harness and will happily buy another just like it when this one expires in 2015.
12-27-2013, 11:29 PM
ShadowBolt

Whatever is in the car now works fine but I thought I would try a pull up lap belt.

JJ
12-29-2013, 11:42 AM
AI#97

Misty has the Schroth enduro belts in her car and I have to say are the nicest belts I have ever seen. Adjustment is SO easy it's not funny...especially with the slider/FIA seat for different drivers.

I use the schroth regular FIA harness and it's been great too. They are also lighter and much more flexible than the "shipping strap" versions on the lower end. The schroth stuff is more like an OEM seatbelt material in your daily driver.
12-29-2013, 01:46 PM
Suck fumes

The shoulder harness also doesn't wiggle itself loose mid way through a race either. Some of the cheaper belts would develop slack in the shoulders from constant stress so I had to pull on them to tighten them which was annoying. The schroth's don't do that. Schroth has a "clubman" belt which is only $200 and the best budget belt out there. If you don't want to spend a lot but want something durable, that's the belt for you. Problem is they are always on back order cause everyone wants them haha.
12-29-2013, 04:47 PM
ShadowBolt

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Originally Posted by Suck fumes

The shoulder harness also doesn't wiggle itself loose mid way through a race either. Some of the cheaper belts would develop slack in the shoulders from constant stress so I had to pull on them to tighten them which was annoying. The schroth's don't do that. Schroth has a "clubman" belt which is only $200 and the best budget belt out there. If you don't want to spend a lot but want something durable, that's the belt for you. Problem is they are always on back order cause everyone wants them haha.

I saw the clubman but it was as you said on back order. I have to get a new harness before MSRH.

JJ
12-29-2013, 07:12 PM
blk96gt

I'm taking my passenger seat out for the weekend and you can use the harness from there if you can't get one before Houston. G-Force 6000BK It's not the best harness by any means, but it's not expired and I won't be needing it for the weekend. It's a 5-point though so it may not work if you only have the cutouts for the 6-point.
12-29-2013, 07:58 PM
ShadowBolt

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Originally Posted by blk96gt

I'm taking my passenger seat out for the weekend and you can use the harness from there if you can't get one before Houston. G-Force 6000BK It's not the best harness by any means, but it's not expired and I won't be needing it for the weekend. It's a 5-point though so it may not work if you only have the cutouts for the 6-point.

Thanks! If I can't get one I will take you up on it.

JJ
12-30-2013, 01:08 PM
Alien

I'm with Al on not liking the pull ups. It may have just been that the adjusters were at an odd spot, but I found them more difficult to get tight than the pull downs. I can bring my expired pull-up ones to MSR-H to try before you buy.
12-30-2013, 01:12 PM
ShadowBolt

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Originally Posted by Alien

I'm with Al on not liking the pull ups. It may have just been that the adjusters were at an odd spot, but I found them more difficult to get tight than the pull downs. I can bring my expired pull-up ones to MSR-H to try before you buy.

Thanks Gary but I can't race without a new harness. Jay is going to bite the bullet and get the nice Schroth Profi that is made for the Hans but I have to get the car back from the shop so I can see exactly what we have before we order.

Thanks for the offer!
JJ
12-30-2013, 01:48 PM
NASA13

I did a lot of research and bought safecraft
I think its the best harness on the market with one exception
Its SFI but you get one free re cert from safecraft
The safecraft is the only harness with the adjuster that plugs directly into the center latch. It allows easy and fast adjustment with the best hardware I have ever seen on a harness.
Scroth is good too, but you can
still have issues with getting them tight and keeping them tight
12-30-2013, 02:41 PM
BryanL

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowBolt

I have to replace the harness in the 55 prior to the first race. What is the difference in a $150.00 G-Force and a $565.00 Schroth? We were thinking about trying a pull up this time (never had one). My old harness had 2013 marked on it (I purchased the car in 2009). Do they all come with a five year date? I see some are two year and some are five. What do I look for to get the five year belts?

I still have to get the car back from Illicit Motorsports (Wild Rides S-Box installed plus new K-Member and new Rack). Should have it back by the end of next week. I have to change the fluids, figure out why it starves for fuel below half a tank, install the new harness, install new mufflers and tail pipes, get a new Medical (every two years when you are an old guy like me). All in nine or ten days. I have no idea who is going to do my medical since the Flight doctor I used to go to killed himself in a plane crash right after I got my last one. I would like to get both medicals done at the same time and same place if possible.

JJ

Sounds like you are already conceding defeat to the 24? So I decided to check the car out this weekend-broken exhaust manifold and y pipe are the main issues to repair. Manifold is tougher to find than I thought. Hopefully have it back together and on the ground this weekend so the guys can repair the hole in the ceiling where I fell through. Then work on an alignment next weekend.

I run the Schroth Profi II I think for the Hans and really like them. I think it's the way to go when using a hans to keep the hans in place with the belts. Though maybe it doesn't matter. The 6 point in my mind should be kinder to your frank and beans than a 5 point-think I remember that from the ride with Covini at TWS.
Was your Dr.'s crash a mistake or suicide?
12-30-2013, 05:21 PM
ShadowBolt

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Originally Posted by BryanL

Sounds like you are already conceding defeat to the 24? So I decided to check the car out this weekend-broken exhaust manifold and y pipe are the main issues to repair. Manifold is tougher to find than I thought. Hopefully have it back together and on the ground this weekend so the guys can repair the hole in the ceiling where I fell through. Then work on an alignment next weekend.

I run the Schroth Profi II I think for the Hans and really like them. I think it's the way to go when using a hans to keep the hans in place with the belts. Though maybe it doesn't matter. The 6 point in my mind should be kinder to your frank and beans than a 5 point-think I remember that from the ride with Covini at TWS.
Was your Dr.'s crash a mistake or suicide?

He was having trouble with his engine but took off from an old airfield on Mustang Island anyway (or one of the other islands down by Port O'Connor). When it quit he did what we are told NEVER to do and tried to turn around and go back to the field. He stalled/spun it into Matagorda Bay. Killed himself and a friend.

JJ