because we can't use them...Originally Posted by MikeP99Z
because we can't use them...
Mosty Brothers' Racing
#22 CMC2
I have groupies...
Three years in a row Toyo cannot provide a spec tire :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: woa... I'm dizzy
There was once a wise man that said two years ago putting CMC2 on AI size 17's was a bad idea and would result in shortages..... Where is that man now?! LOL!
She has a gun and thinks the last thing she needs to worry about are the open doors she fails to shut...
If he was up your....... you'd know it!
Patience? understanding? "the 888 was a failure and we know it, so stick another set of shitty tires up your rear end and deal with it..." I think it's time we take a look at this... this is becoming ridiculous...We apologize for any inconvenience that this has caused to the racers and thank you for your patience and understanding.
Do we get to run 888s? and if we do can we use them as rains for a few seasons?
Mosty Brothers' Racing
#22 CMC2
I have groupies...
I would like to know the OFFICIAL ruling on this. Can 888's be ran at all this season in CMC? Rain or Shine?
Supply Chain 101 - price increases will occur and can be accepted as demand for the product increase, or manufacturing cost increase. This is appropriate as long as performance and customer satisafaction are increasing or are sustained.
if suppliers raise pricing due to the model that they can, then customers usually have 2 options. 1- reduce the amount of business you are doing with that supplier, or 2- bring new entrants into the market.
what do racers love the most? COMPETITION!!
I have a set and used them at MSRH on Sunday. Mine are getting old and unless there is standing water I will not run them again. I had more grip with new shaved 3/32" RA 1's. If I had it to do over I would not have run them. There was very little standing water you drove through during the races..........unless you did like James and I and went cross country.I would like to know the OFFICIAL ruling on this. Can 888's be ran at all this season in CMC? Rain or Shine?
JJ
Are you really sure the Hoosier contingency is the bees knees??It is kinda hard to beat the Hoosier contingency.
Here's some quick math:
Toyo Tire contingency:
Starters: 5 or more
1st= $150
2nd= $100
3rd= $75
4th= $50
5th= $25
Award- $400 Per Race
Regional Championship Bonus
1st= $1000
2nd= $500
3rd= $250
ROI (as if anything in racing can be looked at in terms of ROI, but go with it just for shits and giggles):
a) Investment - 275/40/17= $219 x 4 = $876
b) Use - 2 weekends (4 races, possibly longer)
c) Application - 5 racers x $876= $4380
d) ROI - $4380 / 4 race use cost = $1095 per race / $1600 awards = $505 RETURN to AI Racers
Summary:
In this case 1st place finisher spends $876 and gets $600 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 2 weekend/4 race usage) for a total racer cost of $276
In this case 3rd place finisher sends $876 and gets $300 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 2 weekend/4 race usage) for a total racer cost of $576
In this case 5th place finisher spends $876 and gets $100 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 2 weekend/4 race usage) for a total racer cost of $776
On a larger scale, each racer will likely purchase approximately 12 tires for an entire season (some racers may buy more, some may buy less). Using the 12 tire formula, 10 racers x 12 tires= 120 x $219 = $26,280 investment. Total awards would be $400 x 16 races = $6400 + $1750 in Regional Championship money for a total award package of $8,150. The percentage of return is 31%
Hoosier Tire contingency:
Starters: 5-6 (similar in the Toyo example)
1st= 1 Free Tire ($280 value)
2nd= 1 Free Tire ($280 value)
Award- $560 Per Race
ROI (yeah, yeah.....):
a) Investment - 275/40/17= $280 x 4 = $1120 (28% more expensive)
b) Use - 1 weekend (2 races)
c) Application - 5 racers x $1120 = $5600
d) ROI - $5600 / 2 race use cost = $2800 per race / $1120 awards = $1680 COST to AI racers
Summary:
In this case, 1st place finisher spends $1120 and gets $560 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 1 weekend/2 race usage) for a total racer cost of $560
In this case, 3rd place finisher spends $1120 and gets $0 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 1 weekend/2 race usage) for a total racer cost of $1120
In this case, 5th place finisher spends $1120 and gets $0 in rewards (based on the above mentioned 1 weekend/2 race usage) for a total racer cost of $1120
On a larger scale, each racer will purchase 32 tires for an entire season. 10 racers x 32 tires= 320 x $280 = $89,600 investment. Total awards would be $560 x 16 races = $8960. The percentage of return is 10%.
Final note - The Toyo Contingency will save a 1st place finisher $284 per set purchased. 3rd place Hoosier finishers and below will spend $6332 ($8960-$2628) more money on tires and receive no benefit in return.
This does not include the Nationals, only Regional races.
Thoughts??
I have a cat.
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