To john's point the 9mm and .380 have come a long way but you need to research gun and ammo to make sure they fit. My wife's PPK can unleash a world of hurt with a 95grain FMJ FN but only one brand has shot reliably. My daughters Bersa will eat almost anything so there are high penetration (10+ inches) expanding rounds at 90 grain that do the job and she can get 3 shots with great grouping better than the .40
Plenty of good advice here. I agree on finding a good ammo is an important part. I also like Gold Dot.
I've tried maybe 4 or 5 different pocket 380s. The Kahr and Keltec and LCP were a pain to shoot. And more importantly, difficult to shoot accurately past 7 yards or so (for me at least). I know you can question the need for what distance but again to me it goes back to confidence. I also tried a Guardian 380 (nice, way too heavy though). And finally the Diamondback. The DB380 was problematic for me initially, I ended up sending it back, at which point it was wholesale replaced with the latest revision by the factory. Now I have about 300 rounds through it and I'm confident with my ammo it is reliable and accurate out to 20+ yards. Of the 380s I have shot, it is by far the most accurate. But because their early guns had some issues, their rep is a bit sketchy.
I've carried it pocket carry and with a J-hook style IWB in office attire without issue.
Let me know if you want to check it out some time. Maybe we can go hit up a range for the fun of it.
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Thanks for all the info guys. I'm more confused than ever now. I read the Bodyguard was a pile when it first came out but now it's supposed to be better. I watched a few youtube videos and the S&W shot better than the Sig did. I want to get like Al said and put the gun in my pocket every day just like the wallet and money clip.
JJ
Jerry, is there a reason you are thinking pocket vs IWB ? Just curious. I've never really even considered a pocket carry...not sure if it's weight gain or just the style of my clothing but no way I could get a gun on target out of my pocket as fast as I could with a IWB holstered weapon - especially if I was moving or crouched (which I damn sure would not be standing still)Originally Posted by Wirtz
You dudes are freaking me out. I should be giving point by for those with CHLs, which appears to be everyone. Bought a Glock 17 two weeks ago and have over 500 rounds through it. Taking my CHL tomorrow.
I would get a Glock 26. I guess I'll be nicer to everyone.
Randy English
NASA Texas --> Rocky Mtn Region
CMC #77 Camaro
JJ,
I have a Bodyguard .380 you can have.
It's Bevs and she doesn't like it.
I have extras clips that go with it.
Factory box with all the goodies as new.
Box of ammo.
9 rounds thru it.
I've never shot it so no opinion here.
Find your best deal, I'll knock 10% off or so.
Can bring to ECR.
jb
Pocket pistols in my opinion are basically noise makers. As Wirtz said, it is VERY difficult to find one you can hit a broad side of a barn with as they are very awkward in even an average sized man hand. If you can't comfortably get all 4 fingers around the grip, you are going to have problems shooting with any accuracy unless you get a LOT of practice....and by then, your wrist will hurt like hell. Also, keep in mind that if that itty bitty pistol PRINTS through your pants, that is NOT concealed.
Jerry, I would consider wearing shirts untucked and carrying a mid frame or full framed gun in the waste band at your back. It takes some getting used to, especially if you drive laid back like a vato loco but much easier to carry the weapon you feel most comfortable with in eliminating a threat. Another thing to consider is if you are carrying a compact 380 or 9mm, you likely only have 7 or 8 shots. I recently found a Sig 250 in 9mm that carries 17+1. IT's a full frame and Double action only but is my new carry weapon. Don't limit yourself to just 8 weak rounds that you MIGHT hit the threat with.
I just bought Misty a beautiful used CPO Sig 228 (15+1 in 9mm) for our one year anniversary and I LOVE that gun. It's border line too small for my hands but I had a 3" group with it at 30 feet the very first time I shot it. I am a Sig fanatic as we have 7 of them now. Misty also has a 250 compact in .45 and it works very well for concealed carry. you have to be able to shoot well with a Double Action trigger on the 250 and it takes getting used to. I would recommend a 228 if you can find one or the newer 229.
I am also not a fan of the goofy trigger and grip safety's on the XD/Glock/other. The best safety is your finger. It only goes in the trigger guard if you plan to pull the trigger. A physical safety in a stressed situation is a nail in your coffin as you are going to be lucky to get a good grip on it quickly. Crumpacker and I did an ISPC shoot a few weeks ago and one of the tests was a bar fight where you had to pick up a compact gun off the table and shoot at 4 targets about 15 feet away. Sam did pretty well with a buddy's tiny glock but many others had a hard time hitting the targets with their own carry/boot weapons.
only other advice is to practice drawing your weapon once you make the selection. make sure it's smooth and won't get caught on anything. The more second nature it is the less mistakes you will make if and when you need it.
as usual a long winded post.......
Sounds interesting...with the gun already out and on the table it kinda sounds like a gun owner's version of an open book test - unless the targets were moving toward you...then its multiple choice - or if they were friend/foe...then it's true/false
started from a position with pool cue in hand at table, knock over a plastic barrel, pick up gun, double tap threat on the ground in front of you, turn to right at 2 o'clock, shoot 12" steel about 20 feet away, turn to 5 o'clock, shoot similar steel, then 6:30 to shoot 3rd steel. Mostly something different than what you usually get to do at the range. Many missed shots...and they only had 6 to start with for 5 required hits.
I have say I see why Wirtz does this stuff. It's very addictive.
Open carry?
How fuzzy are your nuts?
There's alot of talk out there, but I haven't witnessed anyone doing it.
jb
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