RR's for 2014......

[GlennCMC70]

Forced down the throat of CMC by NASA HQ.......
CMC will be allowed to run the Toyo RR's for 2014 AFTER the 2nd regional event. That is mandaded by NASA HQ. Al tried to put it off a little longer, but was not able to. I found out last night. I waited until I saw him post this on the National site before I posted it here.

I knew it was coming. The issue is the lack of notice. This type of stuff should get a 6 month notice at a minimum.

More bad news.......
Best I can tell, RR's are faster and not available in 16".

I would like to see us agree to a longer time frame. A gentleman’s agreement of sorts.
How about we agree to push this back to the 3rd event?
That would push this back to the April 25th TWS event for us here. Much closer to a 6 month notice.

Thoughts?

[Suck fumes]

It's going to be pushed back until you can actually buy 17" RRs haha. Good news is they last a lot longer and are more consistent. AND you don't have to shave them!

[Storm Trooper]

So....RA1's can be run until we can afford to switch?
I spoke with the machine shop and it is not a problem to put a ford 5 bolt pattern on the hubs. This might be a cheaper option for some to go to 17". It seams there is a lot more options for spacing on ford wheels.

Thoughts??

[cobra132]

So exactly when are these tires going to be available to peons like myself in "normal" sizes like 275/40/17????

[Rob Liebbe]

Let the RA1's continue in our region for the entire 2014 season, allowing max time to wear them out. I know of one flat black LT1 Camaro that just bought a new set of RA1's. If the RR's are faster, then the RA1's will not be a speed advantage, but at least we don't force folks to "waste" any useable RA1's.

[marshall_mosty]

All,
I agree with Glenn. Let's discuss for AI and CMC separately on this. Supply of 17's is supposed to be here by 1-Dec for RR's, but a bunch of us have plenty of RA1's (as Rob indicated).

I'll send out an email to the AI guys to see if that's something we can work out. It will be similar to thr 888 debacle of 2008... That agreement worked out as the only "oddball" was Casey on Nitto NT01's...

[Suck fumes]

But if we want to use the RR's we can with no penalty correct?

[Rob Liebbe]

Let the RA1's continue in our region for the entire 2014 season, allowing max time to wear them out. I know of one flat black LT1 Camaro that just bought a new set of RA1's. If the RR's are faster, then the RA1's will not be a speed advantage, but at least we don't force folks to "waste" any useable RA1's.

Did this idea get lost, or was it not clearly stated? Simply allow folks to run on either tire regionally so they can continue to run on what they have while they work the new tires into their budget/plans. I'd hate for anybody to feel like they cannot race (read - not come to a NASA event) because they don't have the new tire on relatively short notice. If someone feels they need to be super competitive, then they can buy the new tire as soon as it comes out. Why wouldn't this work?

[marshall_mosty]

All,
The RR AND RA1 will be allowed. The RR is not a rain tire. The RA1 fills that void. The RD's and regional directors are not going to rule on what is or isn't a rain race. If you want to run RR's in the wet, fine. RA1's in the dry, fine.

Run what you brung. It will all be okay.

The idea of the "gentlemen's agreement" was to let everyone switch to the speedier tire at more or less the same time so it would be viewed as "fair" for as many as possible.

[GlennCMC70]

Did this idea get lost, or was it not clearly stated? Simply allow folks to run on either tire regionally so they can continue to run on what they have while they work the new tires into their budget/plans. I'd hate for anybody to feel like they cannot race (read - not come to a NASA event) because they don't have the new tire on relatively short notice. If someone feels they need to be super competitive, then they can buy the new tire as soon as it comes out. Why wouldn't this work?

I know Marshall already answered this.....

The RR will be legal after event 2 per NASA HQ. That does not mean the RR is the only tire that can be run. The RA1 and RR are legal AFTER event 2. I was trying to get us all to agree to push back the allowance of the RR in TEXAS to the 4th event instead of the 3rd event. It is a 1 event pushback. If we all can't agree, then it is what NASA HQ dictated, event 3, RR's will be legal.

For those of you who have Toyo bucks to spend and are worried about them expiring, contact your normal tire dealer and see if they will take them now towerds a future purchase of RR's. At the least, buy something w/ them even if it is RA1's.

My first planned event is MSR-C (event 3). I will be on RA1's. Feel free to take advantage as you see fit.