MSRC/CMC Media

[RichardP]

This "tire test" didn't prove anything except that they're a slower tire.

The point of a spec tire is that everyone has equal tires to race on. Their performance compared to other brands is irrelevant. There is no need for them to be competitive with Toyos. If anything, I think most people were shocked how fast the test tires were. One of the reasons for going to a different tire is the hope that they have less grip so we would break fewer parts. We are seriously abusing very old cars that were never meant to handle the loads we are placing on them.


Richard P.

[Suck fumes]

If everyone wants a less grippy product then pick the R1R (200tw) or something in the toyo family. Nasa is not going to separate from Toyo anytime soon nor do I see them allowing a competitor brand slip into a spec tire class.

I concur with Kevin. What did anyone prove other than wasting time and money.

[Sook]

What did anyone prove other than wasting time and money.

The Cresson tire test was extremely successful in getting the conversation started. Suggesting an alternative Toyo has not gone over well before - people suddenly seem OK with the idea.

If everyone wants a less grippy product then pick the R1R (200tw) or something in the toyo family. Nasa is not going to separate from Toyo anytime soon nor do I see them allowing a competitor brand slip into a spec tire class.

Can you imagine what kind of backlash there would have been if we had originally suggested R1Rs? I will say that I haven't heard anything, good or bad, about R1Rs. The Youtubes are all the rage about the R888R, but everything I've seen is from track day bros that scored them for free to review (subscriber count is king), never a real competition or TT.

Falken is showing serious support for the 615+ in the competition tire realm, and a lot of people are running them hard without issue. I think running AIX is a good plan to test a tire, I don't see that as a long term solution though. There is also the 200TW TT class that's taking off with the Falkens.

Does anyone know the real reason we couldn't get RRs? Prices went up this year and availability went down. If we're going to run fancy expensive race tires we should at least be able to buy them.

- Josh

[drecords]

The Cresson tire test was extremely successful in getting the conversation started. Suggesting an alternative Toyo has not gone over well before - people suddenly seem OK with the idea.



Can you imagine what kind of backlash there would have been if we had originally suggested R1Rs? I will say that I haven't heard anything, good or bad, about R1Rs. The Youtubes are all the rage about the R888R, but everything I've seen is from track day bros that scored them for free to review (subscriber count is king), never a real competition or TT.

Falken is showing serious support for the 615+ in the competition tire realm, and a lot of people are running them hard without issue. I think running AIX is a good plan to test a tire, I don't see that as a long term solution though. There is also the 200TW TT class that's taking off with the Falkens.

Does anyone know the real reason we couldn't get RRs? Prices went up this year and availability went down. If we're going to run fancy expensive race tires we should at least be able to buy them.

- Josh

After talking it over with a few others after R4, I'll be reaching out to some of you for some data on #of heat cycles at various times and start building a spreadsheet to track RR degradation versus alternative tire degradation with heat cycles.

I agree with the sentiments that it would be I'll advised for us all to show up and run AIX in lieu of CMC on an alternative tire. I will keep running my set of streets in practice days/DE's and keep putting HC's on them.

[MikeP99Z]

Since AIX will be so popular, all the AI guys are going to participate with 700+hp motors and 315 Hoosier R7s. Hope that's ok...

[RichardP]

Since AIX will be so popular, all the AI guys are going to participate with 700+hp motors and 315 Hoosier R7s. Hope that's ok...

That would be an interesting change. Last year not a single person signed up for AIX. All it would have taken to win the championship was to take a single green flag at some point during the season. But it didn't happen...


Richard P.

[Suck fumes]

So if the push is for a less grippy tire for expense and wear and tear problems to grow the class.....There is going to come a point where the year model range for cars is going to have to expand. I mean the 2005 mustang is already 14yrs old! Younger new comers looking in are going to have a hell of a time finding a 20-30 yr old camaro or mustang that’s in decent enough shape to even build. Not to mention a 30 yr old car is not a very attractive incentive to want to build for a guy who wasn’t even born when those cars were around. I know that’s kind of off topic but if the reason to change tires is because cars are breaking then maybe there should be a much bigger rule change in the future if you want more growth. The point is to bring new people in not just to bring the older people back. Having both would be ideal but can’t please everyone.

[AI#97]

Since AIX will be so popular, all the AI guys are going to participate with 700+hp motors and 315 Hoosier R7s. Hope that's ok...

Are you channeling some MFW today?

<---has 315 hoosiers, 17x11's and an uncorkable camaro to play with in AIX to win LOTS of free Hoosiers if there are 5+ cars!

[michaelmosty]

Bryan, the fastest race lap of the weekend was a 1:23.9xx by B. Curtis in Race 1 on stickers. I was pleasantly surprised my best lap of the weekend was only a 1/2 second off the fastest lap considering it was on the 15th heat cycle on my tires and I am historically not as fast at Cresson. I personally have never in my life run a lap in the 23's in my car.
Also, John had the overall fastest lap of the weekend in Sunday qualifying with a 1:23.134 and I think his RR's were around heat cycle 10.

I think those times show the RR holds up maybe better than expected.

I was very impressed with the speed out of the Falken's. I didn't think they would be close to the same lap times as the RR and R4 showed they were no more than 1 second slower.

[drecords]

Any of y'all gonna send me videos? There's a tire thread for this.