True-the Falkens fastest lap were half a second slower than you were in R2 and R4 but I don't know if that was due to the tires or driving. What do you and Mosty's lap times look like compared to the winners on stickers other than being maybe a second slower but still competitive?
I wasn't aware you did a back to back test on the same car/driver/conditions/pressures being optimal? So not sure what your definition of "competitive" is but might guess they were as competitively slower compared to the Falken.
Clearly you have an issue with any consideration for a different tire and that's fine but you are in the minority as it appears everyone other than maybe the directors are interested in finding a better tire. I believe Sook is correct that sticker Toyo's decisively won the Toyo races and some of the traditional trophy girls on heat cycled RR's weren't competitive with the stickers.
Jerry-remember there is AIX which we can all run in and follow every rule of CMC other than the tire being a Falken. I doubt Will is going to turn down $5,000 in entry fees for every event from the second largest class in NASA TX.
Curious to see who all is interested in running Falkens the whole weekend at Hallett.
Bryan Leinart
CMC #24
The point of a spec tire is that everyone has equal tires to race on. Their performance compared to other brands is irrelevant. There is no need for them to be competitive with Toyos. If anything, I think most people were shocked how fast the test tires were. One of the reasons for going to a different tire is the hope that they have less grip so we would break fewer parts. We are seriously abusing very old cars that were never meant to handle the loads we are placing on them.
Richard P.
If everyone wants a less grippy product then pick the R1R (200tw) or something in the toyo family. Nasa is not going to separate from Toyo anytime soon nor do I see them allowing a competitor brand slip into a spec tire class.
I concur with Kevin. What did anyone prove other than wasting time and money.
“A man with no enemies is a man with no character.”
― Paul Newman
The Cresson tire test was extremely successful in getting the conversation started. Suggesting an alternative Toyo has not gone over well before - people suddenly seem OK with the idea.
Can you imagine what kind of backlash there would have been if we had originally suggested R1Rs? I will say that I haven't heard anything, good or bad, about R1Rs. The Youtubes are all the rage about the R888R, but everything I've seen is from track day bros that scored them for free to review (subscriber count is king), never a real competition or TT.
Falken is showing serious support for the 615+ in the competition tire realm, and a lot of people are running them hard without issue. I think running AIX is a good plan to test a tire, I don't see that as a long term solution though. There is also the 200TW TT class that's taking off with the Falkens.
Does anyone know the real reason we couldn't get RRs? Prices went up this year and availability went down. If we're going to run fancy expensive race tires we should at least be able to buy them.
- Josh
CMC #50
After talking it over with a few others after R4, I'll be reaching out to some of you for some data on #of heat cycles at various times and start building a spreadsheet to track RR degradation versus alternative tire degradation with heat cycles.
I agree with the sentiments that it would be I'll advised for us all to show up and run AIX in lieu of CMC on an alternative tire. I will keep running my set of streets in practice days/DE's and keep putting HC's on them.
Last edited by drecords; 03-12-2019 at 06:38 PM.
Daniel Records
CMC # 34
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