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    SI cars used to never run at VIR (at least compared to my CMC car). I had spent 4 weekends a year there for 3-4 years before they started showing up once a year if that. When they first started coming they ran about the same times we did. Now that some of the drivers have been there alot they're about 1.5 seconds faster on a longer 3.3 mile track.

    At Mid-O, how many of the SI drivers are regulars at that track? (I don't know) I know the CMC drivers have raced there many, many times. It's possible the answer to my first question could explain the difference.

    Another way to look at it........
    The top 5 cars in SI all ran within 0.7 seconds of one another.
    The top 5 cars in CMC all ran within 0.5 seconds of one another.

    If someone was cheating in either class it's likely they all were! LOL



    I know cheating was found in AI. Anytime a car is pulling away in the straights they are either getting out the corner better.......or laying down more HP. AJ's video shows he was better in the corners yet loosing ground in the straight. That alone supports the other data you and the team found IMO. So, any such evidence in SI or CMC?
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    This isn’t about potential cheating. We didn’t see anything at the champs weekend that would lead to suspicions in either SI or CMC, quite the opposite actually.

    Aaron, was that before or after SI changed to 3.31 gears?
    Al Fernandez

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    i ran 3:31’s since day one on the SI car. Think corey switched to them mid year. I always enjoyed driving that car it was just so dang heavy with the rules ratio that it would out heat cycle the tires in one day or less depending on track. Not sure why that class never took off? I’m glad i sold mine when I did though cause it appears only the east coast guys still own them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suck fumes View Post
    i ran 3:31’s since day one on the SI car. Think corey switched to them mid year. I always enjoyed driving that car it was just so dang heavy with the rules ratio that it would out heat cycle the tires in one day or less depending on track. Not sure why that class never took off? I’m glad i sold mine when I did though cause it appears only the east coast guys still own them.
    I think you answered your own question about why it never took off if tires last a day or less. I thought it was the up front build cost that hurt it when compared to the lap time comparison to CMC/AI. But then I look at SE46 the same way.

    Al-what does your track data show instead of just talking top lap times.
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    I didn't keep the data so I cannot use it now to compare SI and CMC cars. We used it to compare between SI and between CMC cars and everyone was right on top of each other in terms of acceleration (never looked at cornering lol).
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    So now you want to bring the 197's back into CMC?
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    I’d love to have s197s in cmc...but I’m not crazy enough to Go down that road again. I’d like to make SI faster though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suck fumes View Post
    Not sure why that class never took off?
    I think the class took off just fine. There were several local builds very early. But the build costs were pretty high so you weren't going to pull in the little guys without several years of continuous good racing. The biggest downfall was how easy it was to convert the car to AI. At the first sign of weakness, some of the cars were converted and the whole thing imploded. It's a shame because I think the cars are great and the rule set fixes most of the complaints from the AI/CMC rules garnered over many years of running.


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    Cars were still way too heavy. That needed to be fixed a long time ago and many of us complained about it but it never changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suck fumes View Post
    Cars were still way too heavy.
    Opinions vary. I don't think they were that heavy. If you're a fat guy, you were excited that there was finally a class that didn't discriminate against you...


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