Public Shit List now active.

[MikeP99Z]

Lack of awareness can be just as dangerous as contact and it can lead to people getting hurt too.

I don't disagree. Just putting it out there that there are a variety of ways to get to 10 points real quick.

[MikeP99Z]

I agree, I hope this is just a sample and not the actual list.
I'm guessing there are a good 5+ incidents from the first two events that are not even listed.

You'll have to ask Chris about Cresson. I did what I could to capture the Thunder and Blitz groups from MSRH (i was the RD for both). If there are any additions to MSRH, please email me. I only had paperwork on the ones I listed, and we were asked to compile a month after the event to start this thing. Al may still have some inputs for SM from Houston, and Clifton may have input for SM at Cresson.

The RD is now responsible for inputting info from their respective RD group (ie - normally Blitz for me).

[Fbody383]

Since the basis of this group is sportsmanship, I like the idea of making this list clear, concise, and public. I do have a concern that "we" need the right perspective so lower point/more aggressive drivers are NOT allowed to take advantage of the list.

What is the goal of the list - to know when and how much to punish a driver, or to have a tool to encourage appropriate changes in behavior?

What about this example - after a valid complaint at MSRH, we made an incomplete crankcase vent change to the 39 that directly contributed to debris, two cars completely off track, one major spin, and multiple cars having to avoid contact. Inadavertent though it may have been and without "real" damage, i.e. passing under waving yellow, it did change the race dynamics for all involved.

[GlennCMC70]

2 things.
1) Should have been clear that the list was a work in progress w/ emphasis on events going forward and not back dating the data. This all transpired post MSR-C.
2) perhaps we should limit visibility of points totals for the reasons David pointed out. If a guy is @ 9 points, I see him as an easy pass.

[RichardP]

perhaps we should limit visibility of points totals for the reasons David pointed out. If a guy is @ 9 points, I see him as an easy pass.

If you are fighting with him in the championship, I see it as an opportunity to pay someone else with low points to bump him...


Richard P.

[michaelmosty]

If you are fighting with him in the championship, I see it as an opportunity to pay someone else with low points to bump him...


Richard P.

Very funny!!!

[GlennCMC70]

Will work for penalty points.

[JMR81]

I don't see a problem with keeping a database of penalty points. Series director, Race director should have access to the information and individual's should be able to see the data on request.
Posting them on a public forum I'm not sure that is something I support.

[dtanker65]

I don't see a problem with keeping a database of penalty points. Series director, Race director should have access to the information and individual's should be able to see the data on request.
Posting them on a public forum I'm not sure that is something I support.

I concur with this. Posting on a public forum would, it seems to me, create headaches for the series and race directors who should be left to judging the available evidence. Having individual access to the data on request would allow the opportunity to request appeal of penalty.

[rleng1]

Come up with a better name than the naughty list. If it is going to be used and distributed, have a name where everyone understands the implications. I like the column where the specific penalties are accessed.
Penalties should be discussed in drivers meetings so that every driver understands the penalties accessed if he/she makes the same decision.