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    Senior Member Carroll Shelby Supercharged111's Avatar
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    As much as that Steeda timing adjust helped you, the MSD opti would help me as well. Bolt on and go. Sometimes I wish our rules were more lax. Or that I sucked more at building motors.

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    If you want tq out of the 4.6 you need higher compression. Race gas boosts power a good chunk too. Just gets expensive.
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    Seems to me it's a drop in the bucket when you factor in registration fees, tow pig gas, and maintenance/upkeep. I can say if I were short on power, I wouldn't hesitate to try it. Never been on this side of the fence before.

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    The most my 4.6 ever made was 267/308. That was with a stock 96 short block (-11cc dish pistons) with PI heads/intake and stock manifolds. That motor also only lasted 2 weekends before I started popping ringlands.

    Current motor makes 254/302 with what is basically an 01-04 short block (-16cc dish pistons). For reference, here were the piston's that came in the 96-04 4.6's:
    - 96 to 98 - 11cc dish
    - 99 to 01 - 17.5cc
    - 01 to 04 - 16cc

    You'll make the most power with a 96-98 short block, but you'll pop the motor pretty quick unless you run race gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blk96gt View Post
    Also, take a look at how much I get pulled on the straight by the Orange is fast car.
    How did I get dragged into this - obviously I had better corner exit speed, a good draft, and maybe gearing working. Too bad the mustangs are lighter and corner better...

    Back to Supercharged's issue - too much power for CMC - AI it is I guess.

    Maybe the combo of underdrive and y-pipe? I run the stock exhaust - factory y-pipe through a gutted cat and just dumped behind the axle. 39mm plate (of course) and was 262/309. On a motor we boiled dry at Houston Jan15.

    Maybe get Sean to chime in about where he picked up his exhaust restrictors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fbody383 View Post
    How did I get dragged into this - obviously I had better corner exit speed, a good draft, and maybe gearing. Back to Supercharged's issue - too much power for CMC - AI it is I guess.
    It's that 320ftlb cheater lt1 ya got, I could tell you were shifting at 3000rpm to stay in peak tq!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mach1 View Post
    It's that 320ftlb cheater lt1 ya got, I could tell you were shifting at 3000rpm to stay in peak tq!
    Yeah, I watched a little video last night of the 013 pulling the world WITH the big drag wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fbody383 View Post
    How did I get dragged into this - obviously I had better corner exit speed, a good draft, and maybe gearing working. Too bad the mustangs are lighter and corner better...

    Back to Supercharged's issue - too much power for CMC - AI it is I guess.

    Maybe the combo of underdrive and y-pipe? I run the stock exhaust - factory y-pipe through a gutted cat and just dumped behind the axle. 39mm plate (of course) and was 262/309. On a motor we boiled dry at Houston Jan15.

    Maybe get Sean to chime in about where he picked up his exhaust restrictors.
    Can you post an image of one of your dynos? I want to see if yours falls off before the rev limit. Mine doesn't, and I suspect it's because of the aftermarket y. Kinda surprised nobody has before/after numbers to quantify the difference here. I know Ryan went back and forth, but I don't know how much of a difference it made for him. Per the google, the pulley ought to be worth 5ft/lb at the wheels or more. Mine's pretty aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercharged111 View Post
    Can you post an image of one of your dynos?
    I can, and/or email you the dyno file. This is one of the better graphs the motor has ever put up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercharged111 View Post
    As much as that Steeda timing adjust helped you, the MSD opti would help me as well. Bolt on and go. Sometimes I wish our rules were more lax. Or that I sucked more at building motors.
    How would the MSD opti help you make more or less power?
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