I think it's mostly "cover ya ass" verbiage, the only thing that will likely affect us is the requirement for video cameras, which I think is probably a good thing. My GoPro has been acting up lately and sometimes I forget to turn it on, I may be shopping "dash cams" now. Something like this, set it and forget it.
https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Dash...=wifi+dash+cam
Last edited by mach1; 12-23-2016 at 05:38 PM.
If I am required to run video for all sessions, you just lost me as a member.
Any video I record is mine. You want video, supply the system and personel to keep it charged and turned on.
I have run video and will in the future. It will always be secondary to car prep, driver prep and social aspects of racing.
Sounds like a stupid rule.
Guys,
This has been out there for a while, whether or not everyone realized it was in the CCR is for each of us to answer personally. I don't think Will is going to ask us to surrender anything as long as we keep doing what we have done so far (last 12+ years).
Will,
I would challenge the running forward facing video as being mandatory is pretty stiff. What happens if the battery dies mid-session? What happens if I run out of memory on the SD card? What if I forgot to hit "record"??
Marshall Mosty
AI/SI Texas Regional Director
2011 NASA-TX American Iron Champ
AI #67 "Mosty Brothers' Racing" (RIP)
ST6 #21 Toyota Corolla (being revived)...
Guys,
This has been out there for a while, whether or not everyone realized it was in the CCR is for each of us to answer personally. I don't think Will is going to ask us to surrender anything as long as we keep doing what we have done so far (last 12+ years).
Will,
I would challenge the running forward facing video as being mandatory is pretty stiff. What happens if the battery dies mid-session? What happens if I run out of memory on the SD card? What if I forgot to hit "record"??
Marshall Mosty
AI/SI Texas Regional Director
2011 NASA-TX American Iron Champ
AI #67 "Mosty Brothers' Racing" (RIP)
ST6 #21 Toyota Corolla (being revived)...
The camera rule sounds good on the surface. When something bad does happen, it's way easier to figure out what happened with good video. Realistically, in application, it will be a complete shit show. Here are a couple of quotes I picked up in a brief search of this site:
Originally Posted by blk96gt
Reliably getting all races on video is really tough, especially if you are a single person operation. Josh tried to record video from his first event. I think he got a couple of laps and quite a bit of footage of his open hood in the paddock before the whole thing crapped out on him. I hope this rule quickly goes the way of mandatory in car radios, which also seemed like a good idea on the surface...
Richard P.
Not at all the case. NASA events are the perfect place for you to be doing anything like you mention, and we're happy to have you. But if you want to get into the business selling your images, we would have to come to an agreement is all. And thats standard practice for any track or sanctioning body.
See you at the track!
Last edited by nasawill; 12-24-2016 at 10:22 AM. Reason: typo
Will Faules
Regional Director - NASA Texas
We have something that is without a doubt for the greater good of any driver that could potentially be involved in an incident. I think most can buy into that. Using video is the most fair and reasonable way to assess fault in most situations.
Will Faules
Regional Director - NASA Texas
I agree 1) it sucks to be forced to purchase anything, no matter how much it might cost, 2) it adds to your between session check list and that can suck, and 3) being penalized for a camera stopping or maybe never starting to record sucks. I think I have reasonable solutions to all the issues.
1) Tyler already found what appears to be a very inexpensive solution with the auto start function. The best GoPro of al of them IMO happens to be the cheapest one, the Session. It's $199 and can be setup for one button mode, and can also run off the remote you can mount to the dash (another $79).
2) With the amount of time we spend at several events debating fault for incidents, I think it's very practical to ask everybody, for the greater good, to spend 5-10 minutes of that between session time to make sure a camera with a fresh battery and empty/formatted SD card is ready to go.
3) We're never going to be on the hunt to penalize somebody for not recording. We just want incidents to be easier to review. Video is the best way to do that. Someone will only be penalized if we request their video to review an incident and it cannot be produced. Without penalty, someone with a video that could save your butt could be one of the "it didn't record" types that just doesn't want to give up the video for whatever many reasons some people don't want to share their video..
It sounds like the one issue people like the least is the messing with the camera between sessions. What if I revised the rule to only require recording for the Races and not practice/qual? Would you guys be for or against that? Someone could still run and share video that wanted to, but no penalty for not running video in a non-race session. What say ye? Remember, video can save your butt as much much as it can do you in wether its passing under yellow or getting collected by someone else....
Will Faules
Regional Director - NASA Texas
I completely understand. We're not looking to crucify anybody that has a video issue. We just want the most fair way possible to determine faults, and that often takes multiple angles. I've had camera issues as well. There's a few interesting solutions out there like auto-start cameras and remotes/buttons connected to cameras on the dash that will help alleviate some of this for folks who take it serious.
Will Faules
Regional Director - NASA Texas
I hereby claim I will have a video issue in every session I ever run. NASA gets the shitty camaera with the busted lense. I get the 4k video in non-windows format. Will, the rule is going to be a shit show just as mentioned elsewhere. I highly suggest you make it optional or highly suggested for all racers and mandatory for racers with more than 3 pts on their license for infractions which the video is looking to catch.
Ah, fugg it.
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