So if a lt1 car shows up to nats with the "free ram air" mod Paul posted, will this be legal?
So if a lt1 car shows up to nats with the "free ram air" mod Paul posted, will this be legal?
Be familiar with the CCR format to protest and have your money ready?
CMC 6.21.5 Any air filter or air filter assembly may be fitted and OE assemblies may be modified. Air boxes and filters must reside inside the engine compartment or in the OEM stock location. Air filter installations intentionally designed to create, or that appear to create a ram air effect are not allowed, even if they were OEM stock.
Nationals or otherwise...I would suggest not putting yourself in the position of having your hard work tossed on a subjective decision. Its just not worth it.
Al Fernandez
The "appears" wording is what had me hung up. That is soooo objective that any attempt to create this affect, but play in a gray area of back dating, or arguing any data about atmospheric pressure is negated by simply saying that it appears to be creating that. This word does not require you to actually know for sure one way or the other whether it does. Simply that it "appears"
Knowing that During a protest is burden on proof on the person protesting or defending?
Huh? The first line of the rule says OE assemblies may be modified? So is a 98-02 LS car allowed to modify the OE assembly but slotting that area? There isn't anything that seals or directs air to it like a ram air.
Why doesn't the update/backdate non body components rule apply? So are people running the LS in a 93-97 not allowed to run the OEM LS air intake setup? But they can run any air filter assembly they want as long as the filter is inside the engine compartment and doesn't create a ram air effect.
Hey Michael-I agree this is silly but I think it's beyond silly in this instance.
We have three directors on this thread and the best answer he can get is it would be a subjective decision? Can we at least get an answer to whether he can run the factory stock LS air intake setup?
Isn't this a non-body component?
6.3 Update/Backdate Non-body Components
Non-body components may be updated/backdated within cars of the same manufacturer
on the eligible manufacturers/models list (i.e. 1982-92 GM Early components may NOT
be interchanged with 1993-02 GM Late components) unless noted elsewhere in these
rules.
Bryan Leinart
CMC #24
Bryan L
I am not the guy making the call at the nationals. But if we were having this discussion in the Great lakes region and I am the guy making the call, It would be illegal with this sentence alone. "Air filter installations intentionally designed to create, or that appear to create a ram air effect are not allowed, even if they were OEM stock."
You can argue update and backdate all you want but at the end of the day it still is "......intentionally designed to create, or that appear to create a ram air effect". End of story.
Hope that helps from my perspective.
See you guys in a couple days
Bob
Bob Denton
CMC #67
Great Lakes Region
Thanks Bob-looking forward to hanging out with you and glad you are coming down (I still drive my dmax sub)
So you are saying that my stock LS air filter setup is illegal on my 1998 LS1 Camaro? And removing a headlight so that there is a clear path for air directly to an aftermarket air intake that resides in the engine compartment is legal?
Obviously I disagree that even the modified underside is creating a ram air since there is nothing that is sealed catching air and bringing it into a sealed enclosure that is ramming air into it. This is the way it has been explained to me by directors as to why removing the headlight isn't a ram air and it's only a cold air intake because there isn't a "duct" catching air from somewhere that then feeds a sealed ram air filter setup.
My understanding about the wording of the rule about not allowed, even if they were OEM stock has to do with the factory Ram Air setup that was an option and had to be plugged if you had that oem ram air on your car.
Here is an example of something that the directors dealt with when allowing the 98-02 LS car into the series that they didn't want allowed. http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...cars-with-a-c/
Bryan Leinart
CMC #24
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