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    Quote Originally Posted by Fbody383 View Post
    My recollection of the story is that the material processing required for the batteries is some unbelievable number of miles of ocean going transport. Here's an opinion: https://www.industryweek.com/technol...massive-carbon

    Sun doesn't shine at night... but, the wind may blow. But the wind may be sketchy and the grid still needs dispatchability. Now, some believe that grid level storage via battery may solve that. PG&E (the bankrupt utility due to CA fires) did a study they call the EPIC project and in the final report around page 66 said, "and this will cost ratepayers billions of dollars." Yeah, B.

    Car/battery charging is a question of use and timing. You'll likely charge overnight where there may be wind and with real time of use rates, it not be too expensive. One of the things I think proponents miss is that two "markets" can't use the car's battery in the afternoon - either it's driving or it's connected to the grid to be a resource. But what happens when you want to go to Sweetie Pie's for dinner?

    If you have any other electricity market/regulatory questions ask away... I know a guy.
    What about Nuclear? Fukushima scared alot of people off, but its a good way to reduce dependence on oil and gas. Waste disposal and process safety being the biggest turds in that proverbial sandbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drecords View Post
    What about Nuclear? Fukushima scared alot of people off, but its a good way to reduce dependence on oil and gas. Waste disposal and process safety being the biggest turds in that proverbial sandbox.
    In which country? US generally shies away from all new nuclear development and is generally trying to retire/early retire what's in the fleet.

    I'm of the European thought - more, smaller, standardized reactors rather than the US habit of much bigger one-off designs. Going forward adding dispatchability will be desired too.

    With shale extraction capabilities, there's a lot of natural gas to be had. At this point I believe we're a material advancement away from creating batteries with enough storage density (coupled with cost) to flip the script. Once storage is cheap (as in cheap enough to have 2-3X what you think you need), dense, and portable it's easy to see all the generation coming from wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, etc.
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