2008 NASA National Championships Media

[jeffburch]

Check here often for updates on live timing and live audio stream
http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=23836&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Daily video update will be in this folder
http://www.texicanracing.com/nasatx/JeffBurch/2008NATS/

Still photos of the 7 car here
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/7/

70
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/70/

75
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/75/

97
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/97/

(I got a new Nikon dslr)
Also, don't forget mylaps.
jb

[Todd Covini]

Too cool. Thanks for doing this, Jeff.

[michaelmosty]

Kick ass Jeff, thanks!!

[BlueFirePony]

Very cool Jeff...thanks for doing this!

[AI#97]

Jeff, Might I say you are even MORE badass than when in your driver suit!

Hats off to the Burchinator! 8)

[GlennCMC70]

Live stuff here sunday
http://www.speedcasttv.com/

[AllZWay]

What is the schedule this week....so I can monitor online and catch the big shows?

[Adam Ginsberg]

What is the schedule this week....so I can monitor online and catch the big shows?

http://www.nasaproracing.com/schedules/2008/national.pdf

[Todd Covini]

Where's the live stuff tonight?

[BryanL]

Todd-my whole perception of you changed now that you want to know what Glenn/Jb are doing in the trailer together to stay warm. Can't you find that stuff somewhere else on the intraweb.

Good luck guys.

[Todd Covini]

Glenn just sent me this pic...man those guys know how to party!
http://www.franceskayphoto.co.uk/4764%20May%20Day%20morris%20men%20dancing%20%2072. jpg

[GlennCMC70]

tomorrow its just the bells and nothing else.

[AI#97]

Hopefully I will see you guys early wednesday morning....

After deciding to RE-CHECK my trailer hubs since January... I found the right rear hub rusted like it had been in the ocean for 3 years and slop on all the wheels. so starting at 9:15, I had a parts runner going all over plano looking for trailer bearings and races. luckily found them and rebuilt all 4 hubs...time for bed!

[AllZWay]

What is the schedule this week....so I can monitor online and catch the big shows?

http://www.nasaproracing.com/schedules/2008/national.pdf

Thanks Adam...

[Todd Covini]

RICHMOND, CA – September 9, 2008 - NASA is pleased to announce that race fans will be able to watch race results from the 3nd Annual NASA Championships presented by Toyo Tires at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course live on the Internet. In addition, a live audio stream of the announcers calling the play-by-play action will be made available to those at home.

Simply visit http://drivenasa.com/liveresults and you will be able to watch and listen to the race results as they happen and follow the action from anywhere in the world. For more information on the NASA Championships, please visit www.nasachampionships.com.

[jeffburch]

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/70/2008_09_09%20023.jpg
jb

[Todd Covini]

Ummmm...where's the high flying Texas flag?

(are those bells on Glenn's ankles?)

[Waco Racer]

I'm bringing a Texas flag.

[Todd Covini]

....and arriving with bells on?

[Waco Racer]

No, that's Adam.

[GlennCMC70]

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_10%20056.jpg

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_10%20057.jpg

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_10%20059.jpg

[cjlmlml]

Keep thoose cards and letters, and pictures coming...

[jeffburch]

97 and 75 practiced.
More tomorrow.
jb


http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/wed_75_97_practice_final.wmv

[michaelmosty]

That is awesome JB, it is simply amazing to get updates like this!!! Huge thanks for relaying all this information!!
I know who I'm voting for in 2012. :D

[Todd Covini]

Too cool, JB.
Coming from someone who is SUPPOSED to be there, I will anxiously await the updates and certainly appreciate them.

Pick up the Nov. issue of 5.0 magazine on Newstands now. The incomplete field of AI Nats contenders are featured with a little writeup on each driver and their chances/efforts coming into this event.

Not a one Texas driver covered, but that'll make it even better when "the dark horse" comes from behind!

-=- Todd

[Todd Covini]

Alright...someone had to have a stopwatch on them.
Who was faster in practice today....MFW or MFM?

[AllZWay]

Good Stuff JB... keep it up.

The MFW for President sticker is awesome.... I want one. :D

[AI#97]

Alright...someone had to have a stopwatch on them.
Who was faster in practice today....MFW or MFM?
no official times. mason had a few more sessions and I was cyling tires and brakes. ryan walton is a fst sumbitch!

my brake problem is still there....may have fix tomorrow...crossing fingers.

I also have plenty stickers!

[ShadowBolt]

This is killing me. I know I don't have the skills to even compete at nationals but it's killing me that we (Team Jordan) did not go. I never really even considered it, but you only live once and who knows what any of our physical or financial situations will be in the years to come. If Chris gets on the podium (and I hope he does) I will really kick myself since Team Jordan can compete with him (or at least we did at Hallett).


JJ

[michaelmosty]

This link that Todd posted, http://drivenasa.com/liveresults, already has the current times posted.
The only problem is they just post the last session to come off track (in this case TT) and I can't find out how to look at previous times. I'll try and grab the next sessions times and post them up.

[Todd Covini]

This morning's CMC practice...Schotz was fastest followed by Texan Chris McComb (we adopted Jerry and we can adopt Chris just as well...)

[Al Fernandez]

Fantastic thread and awesome effort Jeff!!! :D

[michaelmosty]

This is what I just saw from live timing and scoring.

Chris McComb - 1.43.1
Glenn Landrum - 1.44.0
Bryan White - 1.44.0
Dave Balingit - 1.44.3
Bob Denton - 1.46.0

These were all the CMC cars shown for this most recent session, AI is up now.

[Todd Covini]

McComb puttin' it to 'em in the used-n-abused Bondurant car!!!
WooHoo!!!

[Todd Covini]

AI Practice #2 session....MFW top Texas....top 10!!!

Driver Name Class Car # On Lap Total Laps Position Fastest Lap Last Lap Time
paul faessler 1 5 5 1 00:01:28.360 00:01:37.277
Andy Sutak 111 5 6 4 00:01:32.400 00:01:49.281
Michael Remen 41 5 8 5 00:01:33.915 00:01:35.035
Chris DeSalvo 37 8 8 6 00:01:36.546 00:01:36.546
Robin Burnett 21 5 8 7 00:01:36.633 00:01:36.751
Ryan Walton 54 3 7 8 00:01:36.788 00:01:56.046
Tommy Schlender 55 4 8 9 00:01:37.235 00:01:38.076
Matt White 97 5 6 10 00:01:37.406 00:01:49.858
Scot Young 5 7 8 11 00:01:37.452 00:01:37.475
David Algozine 12 4 8 12 00:01:37.681 00:01:38.930
Team Cooke/Melkowits 75 5 8 13 00:01:37.719 00:01:37.946
David Donovan 7 3 7 16 00:01:38.838 00:01:39.588
Beau Dunnivant 68 5 7 17 00:01:39.092 00:01:40.855
Jay Andrew 11 1 7 18 00:01:39.102 00:01:41.658
Todd Rogers 60 2 7 20 00:01:39.399 00:01:55.040
Steve Poe 24 2 5 21 00:01:39.623 00:01:54.648
Jeff Feit 61 2 4 22 00:01:39.727 00:02:26.693
Mark Luna 037 4 6 23 00:01:40.241 00:01:55.926
Landon Ball 91 5 7 24 00:01:40.899 00:01:42.987
Mark Adams 76 3 7 25 00:01:41.788 00:01:42.369
Jimmy Bost 16 5 6 26 00:01:42.614 00:02:06.945
Wade Gagich 3 1 7 27 00:01:42.784 00:01:43.587
Matthew Erickson 15 3 00:01:41.393
Chris Griswold 17 3 00:01:45.743
Ernesto Roco 2 5 00:01:47.223
Rusty Ferguson 22 3 00:01:48.676
David Schotz 34 3 00:01:49.514
72

[michaelmosty]

AI times, WOW:

Chris DeSalvo (37) - 1.36.5
Robin Burnett (21) - 1.36.6
Ryan Walton (54) - 1.36.7
Tommy Schlender (55) - 1.37.2
MFW (97) - 1.37.4
Scot Young (5) - 1.37.4
Dave Algizone (12) - 1.37.6
MFM (75) - 1.37.7
Dave Schotz (34) - 1.38.1
Rusty Ferguson (22) - 1.38.3
DFD (7) - 1.38.8
Beau Dunnivant (68) - 1.39.0
Jay Andrew (11) - 1.39.1
Matt Ericson (15) - 1.39.2
etc.

[michaelmosty]

Todd is smarter than me (did copy and paste). :oops:
AIX is in there as well so MFW is less than 1 second off the top guy!!!

[Todd Covini]

I'm a certified CPA (Cut -Paste-Attacher) 8)

[Todd Covini]

I just checked on who was running PTB....Chris McComb is the sole CMC driver "super-sizing" his weekend and will likely prove the value of seat time at Nationals!!! hehehehe

This is getting interesting....

[Todd Covini]

Today's final practice session proving to be "battle of the regions"...

Glenn Landrum CMC 70 01:42.335
David Schotz CMC 75 00:01:42.774
Matthew King CMC 03 00:01:42.905

(Chris McCombs running 1:45's....he's from the Rocky Mtn region.)

[AllZWay]

Shaping up to be quite a battle. GET'EM Glenn.

[michaelmosty]

AI practice seemed to be cut short with only three laps.
DD in 6th, MM in 7th, and MW no time.

[Alien]

I'm praying the power doesn't go out this weekend due to Ike for this tread alone! (and the live Timing and Scoring)

Go get 'em boyz!

[BlueFirePony]

AI practice seemed to be cut short with only three laps.
DD in 6th, MM in 7th, and MW no time.
Hmm...transponder problem with MFW? Hope nothing serious.
The live scoring changed before I could get there...how did the times compare to earlier?

[AllZWay]

You guys keep posting up the times and results... I am working to where I barely have the chance to check this site.

Good Luck to all you guys... Kick some butt.

[ShadowBolt]

I talked to Glenn and he wanted me to let you all know that his PC has taken a dump.
He can't get to this site.
JJ

[Todd Covini]

He needs to concentrate on one thing only and let other people update/access the forums. When I was up there, I couldn't believe how much some folks were online back to home...nothing against you guys, but it's freakin' busy and crazy ev-er-ry day. Couldn't imagine fielding a car AND updating the forums.

-=- Todd

PS- Should we send Glenn's personal laptap tech up there....oh Mr. Wirtz!!!!

[mitchntx]

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=355893

[Wirtz]

Ok, I know I am kind of slow, but are there really only 7 CMC cars there?

[mitchntx]

Yes. Glenn said that there were 2 no-shows as of today.

But, they just have to make the driver's meeting tonight. Qual is tomorrow.

[AI#97]

posting from pda...

second practice session I was held up my daron...easily left a second on track. dynod after lunch and found I can drop 200 lbs out of the car.... spent third session removing 140 lbs from the car. session got cut short with a red flag for an aix car...

going to reweigh in the morning and shoot for some 35's and put these guys on their asses!

stickers are getting around too!

[jeffburch]

OK,
I bit off wAAy more than I can chew.
This reporting stuff is real work and I'm on vaca here so........

Best I can do with intermittant electricity here.
Tomorrow is supposed to be a ton of rain here so I may only get stills uploaded which I have many gig of.

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/thursday.wmv

jb
2 goobers reporting

[Adam Ginsberg]

McComb is not the only CMC driver supersizing his entry - Schotz is running CMC, AI and PTx.

Group A ran very well - a few minor issues (FFR tapped the tire wall in the first session, but no major damage).

Chris McComb has become one fast SOB! Nice work, Chris.

Unfortunately, only 7 CMC cars this year, but we'll still have fun.

Driver's meeting went well, tomorrow is our first day of racing. Should be interesting with the weather coming in.....

[Todd Covini]

OK,
I bit off wAAy more than I can chew.
This reporting stuff is real work and I'm on vaca here so........

Best I can do with intermittant electricity here.
Tomorrow is supposed to be a ton of rain here so I may only get stills uploaded which I have many gig of.

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/thursday.wmv

jb
2 goobers reporting

Two words....Ni-sche.
Perfect flavor of the day...don't feel the need to do more, perfect update!
Can we share the link on other sites? Very cool update and if you can do half as much each day, it would be greatly appreciated!!!

(give us a report on how Adam the Race Director is doing. :-)

[Todd Covini]

Glenn's haulin' the flowers....FTD style!

[BlueFirePony]

I'm with Todd on this...racers focus on racing, vacationers...uhmmm vacation :o .
Post what you can when you can...if we get bored we can all do impersonations of our favorite Texas CMC/AI driver accepting the National Championship Trophy!!

Glenn...put 'em down..you are the man fer sure!!

MFW...200lbs??!!! Damn, you are gonna eat 'em alive.

Daron, Mason and DD...I am rooting for you TOO!!

Keep focused guys!

[RichardP]

A huge thanks for the updates. It really helps when you can't be there. I'll be anxiously awaiting every last bit of information until Ike takes my power out. I'm going to be devastated if it doesn't come back on by the big races on Sunday.

Good luck guys.

Richard P.

[michaelmosty]

Awesome updates!!! Glenn is the interview king. :)

Sounds like TX is flexing their muscles like always!! Glenn is at the tops of CMC and the TX AI guys all at the front ready to strike. I can't wait for tomorrow and the remainder of the weekend!!

Ya'll have a great weekend!!!!

[AI#97]

rain moved in early last night...lots of steady rain and a bad cell went just north of us. can't see too far west on the radar on the pda but may get a dry spell till mid morning... on go the intermediate rains! next couple of days are going to get hairy....sunday predicted to be dry.

[AllZWay]

Ok, I know I am kind of slow, but are there really only 7 CMC cars there?

That is pathetic....... If I were Nasa I would probably not have one next year for any class less than 10 or 15 cars.

[Adam Ginsberg]

Yikes - the skies have opened.

First session out went well, Matt King (as I predicted ~20sec prior from the tower) was the first to loop it/go off. JWL was suitably impressed. ;)

Light rain at first, followed by much heavier rain during the session.

Impound/tech has changed (for the better), and provided the RDs/SDs follow the prescribed methods, it will work great. Kudos to Todd for typing up an excellent tech sheet to hand to the tech folks - they are dig'n it.

Ok - off to get a rain poncho!

[michaelmosty]

Glenn qualified 2nd for todays Qual race.

Mylaps looks to update almost instantly.
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=355893

[Todd Covini]

Rain. The great equalizer. :D

[AI#97]

not having rain tres sucks ass....

[mitchntx]

Rain. The great equalizer. :D

It certainly makes you "over-think" ... :roll:

8)

[michaelmosty]

Glenn took 3rd in the qual. race today.

AI Qual. race:
4th - Donovan
14th - Team Cooke/Melkowitz
15th - White

BTW, Dave Schotz took the wins in both the CMC race and the AI race.

[Todd Covini]

Rain. The great equalizer. :D

It certainly makes you "over-think" ... :roll:

8)

Well, it's either "The Great Equalizer" or Glenn changed his setup at the last minute to try and get an advantage. One or the other. :wink:

[Todd Covini]

Holy Schotz! :shock:

[Al Fernandez]

No doubt! Can Schotz make it an AI CMC sweep?? :shock:

Feeling like shit for not being there, especially since I'm pretty sure we'll be out of power from tomorrow morning on...but GO TEXAS!!! :D

[michaelmosty]

If your power goes out just get online and let us know so we can give you updates by phone. :)

[BlueFirePony]

Glenn took 3rd in the qual. race today.

AI Qual. race:
4th - Donovan
14th - Team Cooke/Melkowitz
15th - White

BTW, Dave Schotz took the wins in both the CMC race and the AI race.

What is up with the AIX guys - besides Griswold - times are way off...
1 17 Chris Griswold 4 9:41.166 2:09.393 2 61.209
2 2 Ernesto Roco 4 12:19.688 2:38.522 2:32.953 2 51.781
3 111 Andy Sutak 4 12:25.029 2:43.863 2:30.137 3 52.752
4 72 pete johns 1 3:51.258 3 Laps 2:43.847 1 48.338
Class American Iron
1 34 David Schotz 4 10:03.919 2:11.374 1 60.286
2 21 Robin Burnett 4 10:07.349 3.430 2:11.165 4 60.382
3 22 Rusty Ferguson 4 10:22.969 19.050 2:16.028 2 58.223
4 7 David Donovan 4 10:25.148 21.229 2:14.514 1 58.879

[Todd Covini]

Rain racing.
Rooster tail racing.

It's a "NASA-salute-to-Hurricane-Ike" racing.

Congrats to DD for taking 4th in AI....I'm going to "overthink" that some serious skill and some good rain tires were contributing factors.

[BlueFirePony]

Rain racing.

Uhhh yeah...I guess.
I just thought that AIX guys would have the whole rain tire thing handled...I mean Roco is a former champ right?

Matts' not running full rains right? Just 6/32s? If that's the case then he's gonna make some moves in the dry. Or am I inferring too much here...maybe I should go back to my cocoa puffs :?

[BryanL]

Schtoz AI car is just his CMC2 car with the restrictor plate pulled by the way.

I guess there is another John George out there running in the same group?

[donovan]

Rain racing.
Rooster tail racing.

It's a "NASA-salute-to-Hurricane-Ike" racing.

Congrats to DD for taking 4th in AI....I'm going to "overthink" that some serious skill and some good rain tires were contributing factors.

I grabbed the last set of rains at the track... the rest was all Skill...

DFD

[Todd Covini]

Great job, DD!
Another 4th or better in tomorrow's race will put you on the front 2 rows for the big show with the leader in striking range!!!

Let's bring that National AI Championship to Texas!!! :D

[Adam Ginsberg]

The "John George" in Group A is an FFR driver, and nothing like the Texas John George.

AAMOF, he went off at the start and hit the concrete wall along the back straight, causing minor damage. Driver ok.

The tower was in pure disbelief that the CMC drivers were doing a standing start in the rain, and it went off great. Our group was, IMO, the best behaved on track with the fewest incidents.

The AIX drivers are running slicks (Hoosiers), ~500-600hp motors, and small clutches, so it's really no surprise they have difficulty in the rain.

Weather for tomorrow appears to be more of the same, possibly worse.

[jeffburch]

/No reports today, no a/c power, sorry.

This has gotta chap you Fulcrum boys.
These are legal BTW.
jb
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing1.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing2.jpg

[AI#97]

I am actually on 4/32 tires....did a couple of massive slide down the back straight at over 120...got a big thumbs up from the flag stand...most terrifying 20 minutes of my life but survived.

I have horse traded for some rains from robin burnett...he was reluctant to make the trade. hopefully I can improve in the rain today and pray for dry on sunday...but it isn't looking good for mfw...

btw... nats 2009 is at miller!!

[GlennCMC70]

/No reports today, no a/c power, sorry.

This has gotta chap you Fulcrum boys.
These are legal BTW.
jb
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing1.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing2.jpg

to add to this. these are AI spec wings. the rule was re-written to allow for this very thing.

we have also learned that some regions interpret "pump gas" is anything that can be pumped from any gas pump. so the race gas at Cresson is legal per thier interpretation. :roll:

i'm now on the JB bandwagon. its total BS where this series is being allowed to be taken. we are now AIL (American Iron Light).

[AllZWay]

[quote="jeffburch=
i'm now on the JB bandwagon. its total BS where this series is being allowed to be taken. we are now AIL (American Iron Light).

Several of us are on that bandwagon....

Sad...really sad. :(

[michaelmosty]

Are you freakin kidding me on those wings!!! :shock: Last I checked the rules specifically state the allowable width for a CMC wing and those look waaaaaaaaay too wide.
I don't want to say more and sour the thread :) , keep kickin ass out there!!

[michaelmosty]

YEA!!!!!!!!
Saturday Qual.

2nd - Donovan
4th - White
6th - Cooke/Melkowits

Way to go!!!

[Boudy]

"Bandwagon"

Yes, excellent choice of words.


The bandwagon effect, also known as social proof or "cromo effect" and closely related to opportunism, is the observation that people often do and believe things because many other people do and believe the same things. The effect is often pejoratively called herding instinct, particularly when applied to adolescents. People tend to follow the crowd without examining the merits of a particular thing. The bandwagon effect is the reason for the bandwagon fallacy's success.

rb

[jeffburch]

I'm sitting at the dyno watching the 1st pl. cmc car.
That car was way fast????

AI, X car spins in t7 at the start.
Ai takes the green???
then they throw a yellow.
AI field too slow and dont catch X.
X gets green and will catch AI formation too soon.
So somewhere in thundervalley they pulled the dub yellows and confusion ensued.
DD was 2nd and got boned!

Tommys chicken was fast!
MFW fought his ass off and looked great.
No challenges for 1st pl.
DD was at tech?
Downunder still has a ign prob I assume.
jb

[jeffburch]

Sat Video postcard.
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/Saturday_at_the_track.wmv

jb

[mitchntx]

Just talked with Glenn ...

Shotz and he battled door handle to door handle to T7 and Glenn was able to get past.

Next lap, Bob Denton motored past Schotz exiting T1 and dove underneath Glenn going into T2.

Once past, he checked out. So much for an inferior platform, eh? :wink:

Rain has subsided, but because of extractions and tows, the session are cut in half.

Tomorrow has Shotz and Landrum on row 1 with Denton and McComb on row 2.

Edit:

Just talked with Todd and he weathered the storm fairly well. Just minor damage. When I asked about him getting the refineries back up, he said that they are under 5' of water. Could be a while ...

[Chuck]

JB, thanks for doing the video! That was great!

Hey Mitch, can you give us a run down of the CMC platforms, I know Glen is in 4th gen Camaro, how about the others? How many CMC folks showed up?

Chuck
CMC#14

[ShadowBolt]

So much for an inferior platform, eh? :wink:

When is the last time you heard a Texas CMC Mustang driver bitch about inferior platform?


JJ

[mitchntx]

JB, thanks for doing the video! That was great!

Hey Mitch, can you give us a run down of the CMC platforms, I know Glen is in 4th gen Camaro, how about the others? How many CMC folks showed up?

Chuck
CMC#14

Shotz is in a 3rd gen
Landrum is in a 4th gen

McComb and Denton are in Mustangs. Can't tell you what vintage. They all look alike to me.

[mitchntx]

So much for an inferior platform, eh? :wink:

When is the last time you heard a Texas CMC Mustang driver bitch about inferior platform?


JJ

TWS ... August, 2008 just before Rob Liebbe took your car out for a couple laps. :wink:

[Boudy]

Wow, great video. Good luck to Glenn, Matt, David, Mason, and Darron.

rb

[ShadowBolt]

So much for an inferior platform, eh? :wink:

When is the last time you heard a Texas CMC Mustang driver bitch about inferior platform?


JJ

TWS ... August, 2008 just before Rob Liebbe took your car out for a couple laps. :wink:

Okay, got ya.

My car (thanks to Wayne) is not far off any CMC Car (built to the rules). It's way better than I am. I wonder if Rob thought Glenn's was beter than CMC17? I never ask him. He is a Ford lover though so he might not tell the truth.

JJ

[GlennCMC70]

Bob is a 3rd Gen

[Boudy]

Bob is a 3rd Gen

Good thing... Just maybe a thread can slip by without being mucked up by the same old BS. Or not. :roll:

rb

[AI#97]

well, ai results from the race posted and all but five or six cars were repositioned or penalized because of the caos under the yellows from aix start. mason finished 12th, but wound up second, me in 10th and david in 15th...I think.

after soaking iin the rain for three days and todays mess, this is going to be an f'd up nats for sure...

[mitchntx]

Bob is a 3rd Gen

Good thing... Just maybe a thread can slip by without being mucked up by the same old BS. Or not. :roll:

rb

It's becoming grossly apparent that the 3rd gen has a distinct advantage and therefore blah, blah, blah ....

[michaelmosty]

Has anyone tried getting the audio or video to work? I can't get either to come through.
It is the Spec Miata championship race right now so I would expect these to be up and going. Any advice???

[Chuck]

Video and audio is working for me! I just created a new account, and did the activation link that they emailed to me.

Chuck
CMC#14

Edit: The only audio I get is the sound of Miatas, no announcer.

[michaelmosty]

Thanks Chuck, video working great now.

I still don't have any commentating audio with live timing and scoring???

[BryanL]

I don't have any decent audio either other than 100 weedeaters running.
i will just follow the nasa link that updates every 60 seconds and watch to see when people come by.

Anybody hear what kind of dyno numbers Bob Denton did? Any other info on the dyno procedures for the top guys?

Well know I am having trouble with the picture not working.

[AllZWay]

Video and audio is working for me! I just created a new account, and did the activation link that they emailed to me.

Chuck
CMC#14

Edit: The only audio I get is the sound of Miatas, no announcer.

I did the same. I am having to work only getting to check in every little bit.

[michaelmosty]

You can hear the commentators in the far background on the speedcast video. It's a little tough when cars drive by and all you hear is exhaust. :?

Are you getting the "weedeaters" on the live timing feed? I can't seem to get any audio from there?

Now my video is cutting in and out, crap!! :x

[BlueFirePony]

Now my video is cutting in and out, crap!! :x
Same here.

[michaelmosty]

Freakin computers!!!!

The audio is supposed to be here: http://streaming.drivenasa.com:8000/listen.pls

I get that it is a .pls file. How the "F" do I get this to run?

[BlueFirePony]

Not sure what's up with the audio...the playlist does not contain an actual source...just a reference to the shoutcast status (which shows the server to be down).

[BryanL]

I am getting some sound from the speedcast video. Though the audio is so faint I can barely hear it. I tried the audio link that I used last year and it says it is unavailable as well.

Off to O'Reilly's and lunch before the Mullets start to hit the track.

Good luck guys.

[rpoz27]

Freakin computers!!!!

The audio is supposed to be here: http://streaming.drivenasa.com:8000/listen.pls

I get that it is a .pls file. How the "F" do I get this to run?

VLC.pls should open it. Earlier it asked for a password and login, but it opened without that at the start of the HC race. Unfortunately, it's crap quality.

[BlueFirePony]

Freakin computers!!!!

The audio is supposed to be here: http://streaming.drivenasa.com:8000/listen.pls

I get that it is a .pls file. How the "F" do I get this to run?

VLC.pls should open it. Earlier it asked for a password and login, but it opened without that at the start of the HC race. Unfortunately, it's crap quality.
Yeah while the cast was playing the audio was really bad...the audio over the video stream is not real loud but at least its something.

Go Texas ! :)

[AllZWay]

Michael... Try downloading WinAmp. I think it what I used last year and I think it is going to work this year....although I am not getting anything right now...it does say I am connected.

[BlueFirePony]

Michael... Try downloading WinAmp. I think it what I used last year and I think it is going to work this year....although I am not getting anything right now...it does say I am connected.

Winamp will play the stream but the audio is crap. I've tried a couple players and I think the problem is at the source.

[mitchntx]

I had trouble with Firefox.

IE is playing the video and wild audio. Is there an announcer feed?

[AllZWay]

I had trouble with Firefox.

IE is playing the video and wild audio. Is there an announcer feed?

I think that link Michael posted is supposed to be the announcer feed...but is it so bad it is not useable.

[mitchntx]

AI finished under caution. Looks like a motor went after T1

MFW 5th
DFD 11th
MFM 15th

Nice showing there boys!

[michaelmosty]

Correction, MFW in 6th. Great driving guys, it looked awesome!!

[rpoz27]

Great race, guys!!!!

Car AIX 111 lost the motor toward the end. Made a mess on track. They are cleaning it up before CMC.

With my computer, Windows media player, and a set of Skullcandy headphones all turned to max volume I can hear the PA announcements clearly in the streaming video. :)

BTW, Corn said that SM tech was going to take close to 3 hours because they were tearing down the top three finishing motors. :shock:

[mitchntx]

Is Speedcast down now or is it my connection?

[michaelmosty]

I'm not getting anything either.

[JJordan]

It's down for myself and my dad, so it must be on their end.

[mitchntx]

Live timing and scoring is down as well.

[BryanL]

Hoping its just down for cleanup. Scoring just popped up one car.

[BryanL]

Only scoring for me.
Schotz
GL
Denton

[mitchntx]

T&S is back ... no video feed

Damn

[AllZWay]

T&S is back ... no video feed

Damn

Same here... aaarrrgghhhh!!!

[michaelmosty]

Landrum takes the lead!!!! (lap 6)

[AllZWay]

Landrum takes the lead!!!! (lap 6)

Woohoo...This no video sucks though. :evil:

[AllZWay]

Schotz to fourth... Hang in there Glenn...

[Chuck]

Go Glen! Lap 10 and Glen posted his fastest time!

Wish I had the video...

Chuck
CMC#14

[mitchntx]

No kidding.

Glenn just turned fastest lap in lap 10.

Bring it home!

[rpoz27]

Corn says Ike is in Ohio. 50 mph gusts and 30 mph steady winds. Explains why there is no video.

Also says there are no flights to Houston, so all the NASA TX officials that flew in (there are 5 of them) are squeezing into Jay Matus' truck and trailer. 7 people crammed in for 1300 miles. :shock:

[michaelmosty]

Chris is into 4th and just posted a 1.43.xxx, got on that podium!!!

[ShadowBolt]

Is it over? Did "The Man: win? I need a link to T&S.


JJ

[mitchntx]

Is it over? Did "The Man: win? I need a link to T&S.


JJ

http://drivenasa.com/liveresults/

[Nick]

http://www.drivenasa.com/liveresults/

[michaelmosty]

http://drivenasa.com/liveresults

on lap 16, still green

[AllZWay]

It is over... WAY TO GO GLENN!!!

[mitchntx]

Flag status shows "Finish"

Landrum
King
Denton
Schotz
McComb

McComb set FTD ... 1:43.5xx

[MikeP99Z]

Woohoo !

[Chuck]

He WON!!! He WON!!!
Congrats Glen!!!!

Chuck
CMC#14

[michaelmosty]

Glenn's da MAN!!!!!!!!!

Looked like a great race with the top 4 cars only 2 seconds apart at the finish, great job guys. :D

[rpoz27]

Congrats, Glenn!

[Nick]

Congratulations Glenn!

[BryanL]

Awesome Glenn.

[ShadowBolt]

Flag status shows "Finish"

Landrum
King
Denton
Schotz
McComb

McComb set FTD ... 1:43.5xx

GREAT JOB GLENN!


JJ

[rpoz27]

Oh, now the video is back up :roll:

[AllZWay]

Oh, now the video is back up :roll:

That really blows. :evil:

[Fbody383]

Awesome Glenn.

+ a bunch! Great job, Glenn and LAW Motorsports.

Now we have DaMen!

Congratulations to all the Texas folks representing AICMCTexas; you guys party it up right and have safe travel home.

Gotta start saving those pennies and make the show next year.

[BlueFirePony]

Ditto on a great race Glenn!

Great showing by the AI guys as well!

[Wirtz]

Great news and way to keep it here in Texas!

Jeff

[jeffburch]

WOW!

What a day.
We're loaded and suffering from Ikes high winds.
Waiting it out.
Blew over the podium area, so they moved it to MO's podium.
It threatened to blow over so it was a mess.
Other 2 goobers didn't show so GL got the pic with 6-8 chicks.


Alot of sour grapes in impound.
Shotz said I was a Glenn cock-sucker.
I told him he was a classy guy.
More later, off to the shower.

jb

[michaelmosty]

WOW!

What a day.
We're loaded and suffering from Ikes high winds.
Waiting it out.
Blew over the podium area, so they moved it to MO's podium.
It threatened to blow over so it was a mess.
Other 2 goobers didn't show so GL got the pic with 6-8 chicks.


Alot of sour grapes in impound.

jb
I just talked to MFW and he is on his way home and confirms the winds are horrible. Everyone be safe heading back home!!

Was there drama during the race that caused people to be sour? Inquiring minds want to know. :)

[mitchntx]

Sour grapes ... sore losers ... whatever ...

I'll let the party's involved give the details, but it appears the drama was all event long.

All in all ... it's about what I expected from everyone involved and the primary reason I stayed away this year. Too many egos jammed into too little space.

That and I fly out to Vegas early in the morning.

I'm glad the trophy is coming back to Texas ... where it belongs.

[ShadowBolt]

WOW!

What a day.
We're loaded and suffering from Ikes high winds.
Waiting it out.
Blew over the podium area, so they moved it to MO's podium.
It threatened to blow over so it was a mess.
Other 2 goobers didn't show so GL got the pic with 6-8 chicks.


Alot of sour grapes in impound.
Shotz said I was a Glenn cock-sucker.
I told him he was a classy guy.
More later, off to the shower.

jb

Nothing like sour grapes. Bitter!


JJ

[mitchntx]

Guys ...

Glenn has asked that we not get into a big internet shouting match. This is his deal and he needs to deal with it.

It's one thing to ask for details, but don't make things worse. The truth will eventually rise to the top.

[GlennCMC70]

first off. thanks for the congrats. it took 3 years, but i finally did it. i couldnt have done it w/ out many many folks from no other place than Texas.
as for the drama...... well Dave has his story and then there is reality. the issues were caught on video and reviewed by officials other than Adam and all saw Shotz moving into me while door to door. i drove a clean race and stood my ground and took a few licks to prove i wouldnt back down. i have vid, but i havent see it yet. money says the only way Matt Kings and Daves vids will get posted is if i did what they say i did. dont hold your breath for it guys and gals.... :roll:

more later.

[Fbody383]

Other 2 goobers didn't show so GL got the pic with 6-8 chicks. Alot of sour grapes in impound.


2. INTENT
Added (for 2008-not in 2007 ruleset)
Good sportsmanship is valued more than finishing position. This means clean, well-executed passing is to be a trademark of the series. Punting another competitor, or leaning on them to gain a position will not be tolerated. Car to car contact including bump drafting can result in an investigation and possible sanctions.

Highlights are mine. Just pass the trophies, Toyo bucks and other accolades down the finishing order.

Again, great job all of you! When's the new National CMC Champ's party?

[AI#97]

well, made it to cloverdale indiana...delirious w exhaustion so pulled into truck stop for the night.

I've watched my race from today three times and I find myself tensiing up and clenching just watching it! you guys will love it!! get big speakers!

goodnight.

[CORN]

congrats Glenn! I cant post the shot of you with all the girls (yet) but I believe you know these two goobers.


http://www.corndesignsphotography.com/temp/nats/IMG_8871.jpg

I took about 4500 shots this week so it's going to take me a little time to go through them all. I hope I can finish them on the way home, but once I do I'll make sure and post them up here.

Congrats again man -excellent work.

[CORN]

oh yeah - the wind was EPIC today. Jay had to dodge a flying trash can on course at one point in time during the GTS champ race.

crazy shit.

[AllZWay]

I can't wait to hear the stories.

Awesome job!!

[marshall_mosty]

Big Congrats to "DaMan". Hard work, blood, sweat, and tears do pay off in the end.

[AI#97]

Sour grapes ... sore losers ... whatever ...

I'll let the party's involved give the details, but it appears the drama was all event long.



Are you sure there isn't a mis-read here...? I had fun talking to Dave during the weekend and even had some good clean racing with him on Sunday....seemed like a Great guy?!

[Adam Ginsberg]

Sour grapes ... sore losers ... whatever ...

I'll let the party's involved give the details, but it appears the drama was all event long.

All in all ... it's about what I expected from everyone involved and the primary reason I stayed away this year. Too many egos jammed into too little space.

I don't know who or where you got your information from Mitch, but you have it all wrong. Since you weren't there, please refrain from posting information you don't know about.

There was little to no drama all weekend, right until the end of the National race. One of the folks doing the most shouting after the race bears the most responsibility.

It was a fantastic event. Group A was, without a doubt, the best group of racers with the fewest on-track incidents. Only 1 penalty was handed out for a driving infraction (on Sunday), and there was not a single bent car, even with the lousy weather (Group A always seemed to get rained on the most).

Everyone got along very well. Yes, there were some heated words in the tech shed after Sunday's race, but we kept a lid on it.

Hell, it was a National event afterall!

[mitchntx]

Sour grapes ... sore losers ... whatever ...

I'll let the party's involved give the details, but it appears the drama was all event long.

All in all ... it's about what I expected from everyone involved and the primary reason I stayed away this year. Too many egos jammed into too little space.

I don't know who or where you got your information from Mitch, but you have it all wrong. Since you weren't there, please refrain from posting information you don't know about.

There was little to no drama all weekend, right until the end of the National race. One of the folks doing the most shouting after the race bears the most responsibility.

It was a fantastic event. Group A was, without a doubt, the best group of racers with the fewest on-track incidents. Only 1 penalty was handed out for a driving infraction (on Sunday), and there was not a single bent car, even with the lousy weather (Group A always seemed to get rained on the most).

Everyone got along very well. Yes, there were some heated words in the tech shed after Sunday's race, but we kept a lid on it.

Hell, it was a National event afterall!

I guess our definitions of drama are quite different.

[Adam Ginsberg]

I guess our definitions of drama are quite different.

Given the fact you weren't there, it's impossible for you to define "drama" at this event.

[RagingAardvark]

/No reports today, no a/c power, sorry.

This has gotta chap you Fulcrum boys.
These are legal BTW.
jb
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing1.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing2.jpg

How is this legal and where did it get updated? I was looking for legal wings earlier, and when I saw this blow by at Mid-Ohio I couldn't believe it was legal..


Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground. Excluding endplates, the spoiler shall not be any taller than 11” from the deck of the car.

I don't see it updated in the tech bulletins either?? :shock:

BUT if these are legal, who makes them? ;)

[AI#97]

BUT if these are legal, who makes them? ;)

A company that makes them for AI cars.... ;)

[michaelmosty]

I don't see any way that these wings are legal, they clearly are against:
8.5.4. Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground.

????

[GlennCMC70]

the problem is w/ the wording. most folks looked at the intent and the known understanding of the word and built around that.
the rule as written says "overall outline". in that sence it includes the widest part of the car - most often the side mirrors. i have been assured this loophole will be fixed and and these wings will not be legal next year. the intent was the widest part of the car under the wing when viewed from above.

the fuel issue will be resolved too. expect pumps found at race tracks to be excluded from this "pump gas" definition. my guess is 94 will be the highest legal octain.

[Adam Ginsberg]

Let me explain the "wing-thing".

The 2008 CMC rules state:


8.5.4. Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground. Excluding endplates, the spoiler shall not be any taller than 11” from the deck of the car. The spoiler must fit securely with minimum modifications to the body and not significantly obstruct the driver's vision.

The key words are "overall outline of the body". Granted, it does say "when viewed from above". IMO, they are outside the "spirit and intent" of CMC, but the wording doesn't really support that.....and I did not want to go down a "subjective" path at the Nats.

As such, the interpretation was total overall outline of the body - including the back fenders. After some discussions at the Nats, they were deemed legal, but you can expect a rewrite in 2009.

[Wirtz]

Sorry, dead horse and all I know, but I can't help it;
If a rewrite is going to happen for next year anyway, why not clarify the rule to make it so CMC must use an OEM part? If the only issue is the Cobra R wing, then specifically call it out as not allowed...

Sorry, I'll stop again now...

[Adam Ginsberg]

BTW, Corn said that SM tech was going to take close to 3 hours because they were tearing down the top three finishing motors. :shock:

We went into the tech tent to check this out....wowsers. They pulled a center section, axles, front coil overs, cams, etc.

The tech table looked like a damn garage sale.

Tech had cam doctors on hand to check profiles.

[ShadowBolt]

BTW, Corn said that SM tech was going to take close to 3 hours because they were tearing down the top three finishing motors. :shock:

We went into the tech tent to check this out....wowsers. They pulled a center section, axles, front coil overs, cams, etc.

The tech table looked like a damn garage sale.

Tech had cam doctors on hand to check profiles.

And the verdict was?

JJ

[Adam Ginsberg]

And the verdict was?

Unfortunately, I don't know. We had enough on our plate working with Group A that I really didn't pay close attention to the other race groups.

Sorry, Jerry.

[mitchntx]

I guess our definitions of drama are quite different.

Given the fact you weren't there, it's impossible for you to define "drama" at this event.

Just read any DS post. Look at the bling wing pics.

Didn't need to be there. It's obvious.

Sounds like you did a great job at attempting to calm the seas, though.

[AllZWay]

Sorry, dead horse and all I know, but I can't help it;
If a rewrite is going to happen for next year anyway, why not clarify the rule to make it so CMC must use an OEM part? If the only issue is the Cobra R wing, then specifically call it out as not allowed...

Sorry, I'll stop again now...

You better stop it right now... or you will branded a Texas malcontent for questioning bad rules. :P

[Adam Ginsberg]

Just read any DS post.

That was one race. One race does not make the entire event.


Look at the bling wing pics.

Caused a stir on Thursday, then it was over.


Didn't need to be there. It's obvious.

Mitch - you are 100% wrong, and speaking about things you do not know first hand.


Sounds like you did a great job at attempting to calm the seas, though.

Honestly - it wasn't that difficult, as our group was great to work with.

[GlennCMC70]

for once i'll agree w/ Adam here. a debatable issue that arose for any given day didnt result in the only thing i remember from that day. off all the crap i was involved in, the time w/ folks i normally dont hang w/ at the track is the most memorable.
so just because alot of folks didnt like the wings and didnt like the fact that the rule was changed that created a loop hole that allowed them doesnt mean we all dwelled on this topic all day. it was one of many pages of a chapter that make up the book of CMC Nationals 2008.

[Wirtz]

You better stop it right now... or you will branded a Texas malcontent for questioning bad rules. :P

As long as I don't get lumped in with that BJ guy... ;)

[evarner]

At least no one measured them with their arm ruler! :lol:

8)

the measure device was present at all times though, and i really did offer up its use to Adam.

[Adam Ginsberg]

At least no one measured them with their arm ruler! :lol:

It was tried.


the measure device was present at all times though, and i really did offer up its use to Adam.

Yeah, but this |--------------------| is not eleven inches.

:D

Hope you and your family is doing ok, Eric.

[jeffburch]

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_12%20203crop_sm.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_12%20302sm.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_12%20311sm.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_12%20061sm.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_09_13%20236sm.jpg

[Tommy55]

/No reports today, no a/c power, sorry.

This has gotta chap you Fulcrum boys.
These are legal BTW.
jb
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing1.jpg
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/blingWing2.jpg

How is this legal and where did it get updated? I was looking for legal wings earlier, and when I saw this blow by at Mid-Ohio I couldn't believe it was legal..


Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground. Excluding endplates, the spoiler shall not be any taller than 11” from the deck of the car.

I don't see it updated in the tech bulletins either?? :shock:

BUT if these are legal, who makes them? ;)

Bob Denton and Bryan White made them. I talked to them on Saturday. Nice guys. I think Sydney Franklin had one too. They are engineers. But i didn't them in their funny white suits or glasses? :wink:

[jeffburch]

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20001.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20008.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20009.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20013.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20025.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20027.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20028.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20052.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20056.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20099.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20105.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20106.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20114.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20356.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20357.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20369.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20371.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20372.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_12%20385.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_13%20009.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_13%20055.JPG

http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_13%20070.JPG

[AllZWay]

Nice pics JB... but I would have thought "Rueth Alley" would have been somewhere in the grass. :wink:

[GlennCMC70]

many thanks to Argent Lab and Jeff Burch for this.

the full race (race only) from the rear of my car. its a med res version.
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/08Nats/2008_GL_ChampRace_MQ.wmv

[CORN]

threw together a gallery of shots for the sr editor of Engine Builder magazine today. He said that for sure some will be used for a spread and possibly on the cover.

http://www.corndesignsphotography.com/ebm/ - i'm using a new program for workflow and the gallery it made isnt the most user friendly. mouseover on the right side of the big pic and it'll give you an arrow to navigate through the rest.

Glenn I know you want the pic of you and all the OU chicks, but unfortunatly I dont own those so I cant post any of them yet. Will let ya know.

[Wirtz]

http://www.corndesignsphotography.com/ebm/


Wow! Just starting to look around, as always, you have some great shots in there.

[jeffburch]

He won't post it.
Send it to him for private use.
jb

[GlennCMC70]

proof positive that every where i went, i crashed.
http://www.argentlab.com/nasatx/jeff/share/2008_09_10%20001.JPG

[jeffburch]

GL,
your sig here is missing something.
jb

[GlennCMC70]

Brooks needs to expand the sig size first.

[rpoz27]

Guess who will be on the cover of Engine Builder magazine soon in one of Corn's pics! Congrats MFW! It's the pic where MFW is chasing down the fox coming up the hill. Bob Denton's car will be pictured in the mag as well. The issue will be released in time for Engine Builder to take it to SEMA.

[GlennCMC70]

SWEET!!!!! Matts head will be bigger than mine for sure now.

Misty, kick Corn in the ass and have him send me that pic. i want to blow it up and cover the rear of my trailer door w/ it. :wink:

[AI#97]

Guess who will be on the cover of Engine Builder magazine soon in one of Corn's pics! Congrats MFW! It's the pic where MFW is chasing down the fox coming up the hill. Bob Denton's car will be pictured in the mag as well. The issue will be released in time for Engine Builder to take it to SEMA.

KickAss!!!

How does one get a few copies of the mag? Never seen it on a rack at the book store before.

Thanks!

[evarner]

At least no one measured them with their arm ruler! :lol:

It was tried.


the measure device was present at all times though, and i really did offer up its use to Adam.

Yeah, but this |--------------------| is not eleven inches.

:D

Hope you and your family is doing ok, Eric.

All in good fun. :D

Doing well now that we have power and are fortunate since so many are still in the dark.

Thx. /cheers

[Todd Covini]

Congrats to Glenn and everyone who went to Nats!
Great pics, Corn and thanks for the images from the weekend.
Looks like I missed a great one!

-=- Todd

[RagingAardvark]

KickAss!!!

How does one get a few copies of the mag? Never seen it on a rack at the book store before.

Thanks!

I've seen it at Barnes & Noble's I think...I picked up an issue on one of my work trips.

[rpoz27]

Corn requested a box of copies. Maybe he'll share.