Camaro Mustang Challenge

[Todd Covini]

Autoweek Magazine reports....

Camaro Outsells Mustang
The Chevrolet Camaro outsold the Ford Mustang in June, marking the first time General Motors' pony car has won the head to head sales battle since October 1993.

The reborn Camaro dusted the restyled Mustang, 9320 to 7362. In the Camaro's previous win, the Chevy outsold the Ford 10,985 to 5,680.

The last time the Camaro outsold the Mustang for a full year was 1985, when Chevrolet sold 199,985 Camaros while Ford moved 157,821 Mustangs.

[BlueFirePony]

OK, first of all I saw the hook and I've swallowed it...get over yourself Todd ;)
Secondly, those that know me well know I am actually a HUGE Camaro fan hiding in a Mustang racer's body, but hmm lets see:

July of 2008
Camaro ZERO
Mustang 10,711

July 2007
Camaro ZERO
Mustang 10,684

August 2005
Camaro GooseEgg
Mustang 17,933

How about all of 2007
Camaro Nadda
Mustangs 134,626

How about all of 2006
Camaro ZIP
Mustang 166,530

How about all of 2005
Camaro Zilch
Mustang 160,412

How about 1965 Model year
Camaro (what's that?)
Mustang 121,538

[mitchntx]

2002, Base model Z28
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Crabhart/new8.jpg
rated at 310 HP
MSRP $22,830


2002, Base model Mustang GT
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/1099611524HPIM0231.JPG
rated at 262 HP
MSRP $22,965


Proof positive that the American people will pay more for less

/thread

[Jeremy Gunter]

it's all about seat time :lol:

[evarner]

It's sad that the Mustang GT runs so far behind the Camaro Z28, and it's obvious that Ford has undergone a change in philosophy with its mythic pony car. All the same, Ford engineers and designers didn't put in this painstaking job of refinement to have the resulte spoken of as a loser. They deserve better. But so do the Mustang faithful. Sure, their beloved steed has taken huge strides in styling and sophistication, but in head-to-head tests it got its haunches hammered by the archrival Camaro time and time again.

CMC wouldn't look right without the 'M' CC?. Let the David and Goliath saga continue...

:lol:

[AI#97]

2002, Base model Z28

rated at 310 HP
MSRP $22,830


2002, Base model Mustang GT

rated at 262 HP
MSRP $22,965


Proof positive that the American people will pay more for less

/thread

MSRP is one thing mitch. I think I paid 17,500 for GT Delux in 2000....I don't remember chevy coming off the MSRP much on the camaros....plus that base camaro was speed limited to far LESS than the mustang was due to the crappy all season tires on them. You had to get a tire upgrade option to allow it to run 165mph.

[Todd Covini]

Ummm...can I get a weight & quarter mile comparison of the 2002 base models puhleaze?

Let's see if Americans truly pay more for less... :lol:

[evarner]

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr110/parkpy83/December%201993/5.jpg

[mitchntx]

CMC wouldn't look right without the 'M' CC?. Let the David and Goliath saga continue...

:lol:

Still playing the victim, huh Eric. Like Adam said, its good to see some things never change. :roll: :lol:




MSRP is one thing mitch.


MSRP is a common denominator, eliminating the elusive "buddy" deal or "year-end clearance" everyone gets in real life. That's a moving target.




Ummm...can I get a weight & quarter mile comparison of the 2002 base models puhleaze?

Let's see if Americans truly pay more for less... :lol:


From a google search ...

2002 Mustang GT
3208 lbs

2002 Camaro Z28
3524 lbs

[evarner]

Still playing the victim, huh Eric. Like Adam said, its good to see some things never change. :roll: :lol:


After a while, all the koolaid flavors taste the same. 8) :lol: :lol:

[mitchntx]

Still playing the victim, huh Eric. Like Adam said, its good to see some things never change. :roll: :lol:


After a while, all the koolaid flavors taste the same. 8) :lol: :lol:

:lol:


The GT weight I found on an edmunds site or some place like that seems low to me. Is that right? I thought the 02 GT was about 3400 ...

[BlueFirePony]

My point is that the Camaro has almost 10 years of sales to catch up on front-to-back - still, I am glad the ponies are back nipping at each other.

[mitchntx]

My point is that the Camaro has almost 10 years of sales to catch up on front-to-back



After a while, all the koolaid flavors taste the same.


8)

[AI#97]

The GT weight I found on an edmunds site or some place like that seems low to me. Is that right? I thought the 02 GT was about 3400 ...

3170 to 3250 depending on which equipment package. It was about 200 to 300lbs lighter than the Camaro.

[mitchntx]

Wow ... no wonder its so easy for a Mustang to make CMC weight. I comes off the showroom floor needing ballast ...

[AI#97]

Wow ... no wonder its so easy for a Mustang to make CMC weight. I comes off the showroom floor needing ballast ...

That's where you come in.... :lol:

[edrock96GT]

Ford, 1999:
Engineer 1: "Okay, we're ready to build this thing...who's got the design for the lights?"
Engineer 2: "Ah crap..." <draws 4 squares> "...here ya go."


GM, 2002:
Engineer 1: "Okay, we redesigned this thing...who's got the new engine?"
Engineer 2: "Ah crap..." <drags in a 350> "...here ya go."

[Todd Covini]

Wow ... no wonder its so easy for a Mustang to make CMC weight. I comes off the showroom floor needing ballast ...

Hmmm....So Americans DO pay more for less.

(How's the quarter mile time request coming along?) 8)

[Hood]

Not from a printed source but from actual experience, we routinely saw 13.7's at 103 at HRP in a bone stock LS1 Camaro. It was tough to launch without tire spin (2.0-2.2 60 foot times) but once it got rolling it was good. It dyno'd at 308 AT THE WHEELS... stone stock. At that time we saw some Mustangs just barely breaking into the 13's at less than 100 mph.

[michaelmosty]

My friend had a 2000 Ram Air T/A with a y-pipe and flowmaster.
He ran a 13.19 at Ennis and I would call him an average driver at best.

When I would race him in my 96 Ram Air (pre BBQ) we would be dead even up to 50 or 60 mph and then he would leave me like I was standing still. :shock:

[AI#97]

my 2000 GT ran a 13.02 @ 102 with an o/r h pipe and 3.73's on ET streets with 240rwhp. that was launching at 5500rpm on a 26x11.50 ET street on a 15x7 rim. At the time, it was one of the top 25 times in the US with those few mods. It was a perfect day at ennis with a -2400 DA and about 75 degrees and overcast.

Either way, I would drive a mustang before a camaro because if you drive an F-body, only your buddies think it is cool....women just expect you to have a mullett.

[GlennCMC70]

my 2000 GT ran a 13.02 @ 102 with an o/r h pipe and 3.73's on ET streets with 240rwhp. that was launching at 5500rpm on a 26x11.50 ET street on a 15x7 rim. At the time, it was one of the top 25 times in the US with those few mods. It was a perfect day at ennis with a -2400 DA and about 75 degrees and overcast.

Either way, I would drive a mustang before a camaro because if you drive an F-body, only your buddies think it is cool....women just expect you to have a mullett.

and there lies your problem, you buy cars for the women. where did that get you? divorced. next time buy the better car. now your lonely and slow. its sad really. :P

[mitchntx]

I would drive a mustang before a camaro

...women just expect you to have a mullett.

Thank goodness.
I've talked with some of your DFWStangs groupies. They hold you in similar regard that the rest of us do.

[AI#97]

I would drive a mustang before a camaro

...women just expect you to have a mullett.

Thank goodness.
I've talked with some of your DFWStangs groupies. They hold you in similar regard that the rest of us do.

I have groupies?!