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HoustonNW
03-29-2010, 07:47 PM
I spent a lot of the Mrs. HoustonNW approved race budget on the race car.

So I need a helmet, suit, HANS, and gloves before TWS.

Here is what I am thinking:

Sport Series HANS (http://www.saferacer.com/hans-device-sport-series-hans-device.html?productid=1296) - no reason to spend $400 to save 1 lb. if I'm sitting down anyway, right?

Simpson Super Sport Standard Suit (http://www.saferacer.com/simpson-super-sport-standard-suit.html?productid=1206) - double layer so a compromise between comfort and cost? I'm thinking that Simpson is a no-brainer choice, although this Sparco 3-layer (http://www.saferacer.com/sparco-jade-top-racing-suit.html?productid=2132) just caught my eye.

Simpson PosiGrip Racing Gloves (http://www.saferacer.com/simpson-posigrip-racing-gloves.html?productid=1032) - I figure this is a learning experience, I buy inexpensive this time and know better next time?

Bell BR-1 Helmet (http://www.saferacer.com/bell-br-1-helmet.html?productid=367) - my Bell open face is legal for CMC but I don't think that I'll push the issue. Is this an inexpensive helmet for an inexpensive head? (I like that it is pre-drilled for the HANS clips.)

Since both of the suits above are SFI/5, I don't need Nomex underwear. I have shoes and Nomex socks.

Please reply with comments on the choices above, I can spend a little more if my choice is a mistake.

Assuming that I bring my typical Time Trial tools and spares, what else am I forgetting?

Thanks in advance.

GlennCMC70
03-29-2010, 07:58 PM
Impact?
I'm just saying there are some really good deals right now.

I love my Sparco. I got an "entry" level Sparco suit at first ($500) and later upgraded to an X-Light. Worth every penny. Myself, Mitch, Rob, and Nick Runyon (raced w/ us a couple years back - will be again this year) all upgraded after an entry level suit. None of them regret it, even more so in August at TWS. Spend good money on a suit, all else will be replaced more frequently, so its not a major issue if you dont like it (shoes, gloves).

As for the HANS... look into the Defender. I've looked at one and wouldnt mind selling my HANS to get one of those. Lots of adjustability the HANS doesnt have.

marshall_mosty
03-29-2010, 08:51 PM
Even if your suit is SFI-5, I would still recommend Nomex/Carbon-X. I just have always worried about getting stuck in a burning car. I have the Bell Apex GP (top of the Bell line) and wear the Bell version of Carbon-X.

I would recommend sending in a sponsorship package to Bell. Michael and I both did and have their "Pro-Level" package. It used to be 50% off retail, but has been reduced to 35% off retail.

I got suit, gloves, shoes, socks, carbon-X, helmet all at the same time.

mitchntx
03-29-2010, 08:59 PM
Gloves -
Leather style palms get really stiff between races, even after a generous rinse after a race weekend. They rip if you aren't careful.

Suit -
It doesn't have to be 100* ambient at TWS to be freaking hot in a race car. It's a tough check to write, but spend the money here once. Like Glenn said, the ambulance ride to the ER is a LOT more expensive than the suit. Ask Nick.

Helmet -
Lightweight saves neck muscles. If you can. find a loaner or buy used for cheap and wait 6-8 months. The SA 2010s will be out. But if you are shopping now, use the SA2010 as a bargaining tool to get a discount.

This stuff is probably the single most expensive purchase you'll make. In some cases, it's more than the cost of the car. Ask Rob.

You can buy cheap and be legal. But you'll be buying twice in a short while.

edrock96GT
03-29-2010, 09:02 PM
I second the defender, just got mine in the mail today and got it all mounted and I'm very pleased with it. It comes standard with all the features you would have to pay extra for with the HANS, plus the angle is adjustable. 8)

As for the suit, I skipped the entry level and went straight to a one layer Alpinestar as well as shoes and gloves. It's a little pricey but I had deployment $$$ I set aside for it (worth every penny IMO).

If you have a helmet that is legal now and can hold off until October, the SA2010 helmets will be available then. If not, you can do what I did and haggle for a discount on a SA2005 since they will still be legal for a while.

HoustonNW
03-29-2010, 09:48 PM
Thanks for the replies. I knew that when I posted this it would cost me money, even though it is good advice!

A couple more questions:

1. What is the relationship between driving suit cost and comfort? Is it that the 3-piece suits are lighter and are more comfortable in the heat?

Or is it not so much 3-piece, but simply that more expensive suits are more comfortable in the heat?

2. I just realized that my Bell open face helmet is actually M2000, so I cannot use it. (Although the CCR does allow open face helmets with eye protection, full face is only required in open cars.)

This SA10 timing really sucks. What should I put on my Bell application to get that discount?

3. I've researched the head restraints but am in a budget mode. If anyone has a HANS in Model 20, size medium for sale, please let me know.

Actually Mrs. HoustonNW has been extremely cooperative. In fact, she suggested buying a trailer rather than spending $400 to rent a U-Haul for two weekends in April. (Gotta get some cheatin' bastard practice in the car for next year at the Driver's Edge event at MSRH! :twisted: )

Thanks in advance again.

Jrod
03-29-2010, 11:02 PM
While we're on the subject, are external seam gloves really all that? I want some to replace my junk Pyrotects for Lemons, but I worry that I'm succumbing to the bling factor of $130 gloves.

GlennCMC70
03-30-2010, 05:20 AM
not all that.

AI#97
03-30-2010, 08:35 AM
While we're on the subject, are external seam gloves really all that? I want some to replace my junk Pyrotects for Lemons, but I worry that I'm succumbing to the bling factor of $130 gloves.

They are fantastic for feel especially for 3+ hour stints....however, the material sparco uses must be cared for properly or they don't last.

kbrewmr2
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
I love my Alpinestars external stitched gloves.
I love my CarbonX stuff - comfy AND there's a reason the nitro drag racers use it yaknow ;)

Here's where I'd go if I was researching Head & Neck restraints:
http://www.racesafetydata.info/

I love my R3, but if I was doing it again I'd probably have a Hutchens Hybrid of some sort. I'm not the biggest fan of depending on an interference fit of the device between my body and the belts plus I liked their lateral and angular impact numbers so that is what has me picking them over HANS, DeFender, etc.

What H&N works best for you kinda depends on your seat and net setup as well. If you've got one of those nice head support seats with nets very very close and tight on both sides then the angular and lateral impact numbers aren't nearly as important to consider.

Hood
03-30-2010, 10:12 AM
Having been where you are now... I went with a used suit (double layer), shoes and helmet bought on RacingJunk. I bought some economy gloves at Smiley's along with my DeFnder H&N restraint (which I LOVE). I've used the DeFnder for a year now and it is the most comfortable one I've tried on. It doesn't press on the collar bone the way the HANS does and it captures the shoulder belts so they don't want to slide off. They've come down in price another $50 since I bought mine too. Just some suggestions for the budget minded entry safety equipment.

marshall_mosty
03-30-2010, 10:33 AM
What should I put on my Bell application to get that discount?

Send me your email address and I'll email you a word version of the proposal Michael and I used (It's 6MB).

BryanL
03-30-2010, 12:23 PM
I highly suggest going with the lightweight suit. I have the Sparco X Light-you should be able to find a decent deal on one.

Buy a trailer-you will get more use out of it than you ever imagined. Besides after a year of renting you will have made up for the cost.

Welcome aboard.

rleng1
03-30-2010, 04:30 PM
Ditto on the purchase of a trailer. The wife suggested I get an enclosed trailer so I could sleep in it on and off of the race track. :shock:
she was just sayin'

Wade
03-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Wayne, I just went through everything that you are going through about three months ago. I got all of the same recommendations that you are getting now, and made my purchases based on those and with cost in mind. I also had just purchased a car when I started gear shopping. Here is what I purchased for what it is worth.

AlpineStars GP1 Suit
AlpineStars Tech 1 Race Gloves
Simpson Adrenaline Shoes
GForce Balaclava and Nomex Socks
Simpson Voyager helmet

I am borrowing a HANS Sport 20 from a friend that only runs Lemons (no schedule conflicts yet yay!)

I ordered everything all together at one time from SafeRacer.com. It is VERY easy to find a coupon for 10% off of your entire order by looking around on the web. I found one for %15 off.

If I had it to do over again, I would have bought better gloves.

Also, don't forget to check/double check the date on your belts and window net!

HoustonNW
03-30-2010, 07:35 PM
Thanks for the great suggestions.

I certainly overpaid for the car, but I'm hoping that it will save me money in the future. The suit and glove recommendations seem to agree with that.

I'll threadjack my own post to talk about trailers. Maybe I or a mod could rename it to newbie or rookie questions including safety equipment?

$1000 Craigslist trailer with winch (http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/1663329014.html)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z18/wstehle/3kc3p43l45V05U35P0a3q42c4bd088ae01e.jpg

NASA forums $2500 aluminum trailer w/ tire rack (http://nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=33807)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z18/wstehle/DSCF1573.jpg

As nice as an aluminum trailer would be, that CL trailer could be fixed up, no?

Edit to add: Nasaforums trailer picture.

AI#97
03-30-2010, 07:51 PM
Thanks for the great suggestions.

I certainly overpaid for the car, but I'm hoping that it will save me money in the future. The suit and glove recommendations seem to agree with that.

I'll threadjack my own post to talk about trailers. Maybe I or a mod could rename it to newbie or rookie questions including safety equipment?

$1000 Craigslist trailer with winch (http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/1663329014.html)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z18/wstehle/3kc3p43l45V05U35P0a3q42c4bd088ae01e.jpg

NASA forums $2500 aluminum trailer w/ tire rack (http://nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=33807)

PICTURE COMING

As nice as an aluminum trailer would be, that CL trailer could be fixed up, no?

It's rather difficult to add a tire rack to an aluminum trailer later...ie can't cheaply weld stuff to it! ;)

Get the CL trailer, service the bearings and install new tires. Good to go.

Wade
03-30-2010, 09:59 PM
http://collegestation.craigslist.org/cto/1667031114.html

kbrewmr2
03-30-2010, 10:43 PM
that AL one looks far too short for a Camaro or Mustang... might be MR2 sized though :wink: what length is it?

I'm considering doing a brand new trailer, esp with that yearly trip to Miller or Mid-Ohio, would prefer to know exactly how fresh and well maintained everything is....

figure $1k trailer
couple hundred in tires
another hundred in bearings
another fiftyish in brakes
vs $1800ish for a new version of that CL one...

MikeP99Z
03-30-2010, 11:22 PM
You will find some cool things here:

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/146/Used_Trailers.html?page=1

MikeP99Z
03-30-2010, 11:24 PM
The aluminum trailer pictured above scares me for towing a Camaro. A spec Miata maybe.

HoustonNW
03-31-2010, 08:27 AM
Nothing is ever simple, the trailer has to fit in my garage so 19' overall length.

Both of the trailers that I posted are 16' bed length.

Did I read on one of the trailer websites about a folding tongue? I can't seem to find anything now so maybe I imagined it.

mitchntx
03-31-2010, 10:11 AM
Nothing is ever simple, the trailer has to fit in my garage so 19' overall length.


Wow ... that will be a tough demension to find. A 16' trailer will almost always have more than a 3' tongue.

Remember, you will be towing a 3100lb car. Add spare tires (for the trailer and car), fuel jugs, took box, jack, jack stands, chairs, cooler, ... and the list will continue growing ... all of a sudden you are over 2 tons.

A minimal sized trailer (one just big enough to carry the car and small enough to fit in a garage) it will be a handful towing. Trying to find a balance will be a huge hurdle.

I am assuming the need to fit the trailer in the garage is due to home-owner restrictions?

michaelmosty
03-31-2010, 10:28 AM
It was fun buying a house 3 years ago and immediately eliminating 80% of them b/c there was no way to get the trailer in the back yard. I got very lucky!

jeremiahkellam
03-31-2010, 10:30 AM
Wayne, as far as storing your trailer, there are plenty of places in this area to store a trailer for about $30/ month.

As far as equipment goes (and I didn't read through all of the post...) TRY BEFORE YOU BUY! Different brands fit different. Don't compromise safety and comfort for price. Go out to Smilely's or Pro-Am and try some stuff on. PST at Cresson has a great selection of gear to try.

I'm right down the road, call me if you need anything

HoustonNW
04-02-2010, 11:32 AM
I'm borrowing a truck and trailer for April. Since I'm new to towing I bought a Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scale (http://www.sherline.com/lm.htm):

http://www.sherline.com/images/LM2000pic.jpg

I'll have it at TWS if anyone wants to check their setup. It reads up to 1K lbs., so it would be good for car/trailer combos up to almost 10K lbs.

kbrewmr2
04-02-2010, 12:19 PM
I didn't realize how close you were... that was funny running into you on the way to the dyno last Sunday :lol: still trying to decide what truck to get?

GlennCMC70
04-02-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm borrowing a truck and trailer for April. Since I'm new to towing I bought a Sherline Trailer Tongue Weight Scale (http://www.sherline.com/lm.htm):

IMAGE REMOVED

I'll have it at TWS if anyone wants to check their setup. It reads up to 1K lbs., so it would be good for car/trailer combos up to almost 10K lbs.

Mitch taught me this trick....
connect the trailer to the truck w/ everything but the car on it. set a level on the deck or fender and level the trailer at the hitch if possible. Then load the car and positionthe car so that the level is once again level. Tow the trailer loaded to see how it feels. If it sways at freeway speeds, you need to move the car forward or rearward some (cant remember which way) till the sway goes away. Once the position is found, mark the deck where you want the tire (one is plenty).

marshall_mosty
04-02-2010, 03:02 PM
If your car is too far back, it will sway.
If your car is too far forward, it will transfer too much to the tongue and cause a porpoise effect.

GlennCMC70
04-02-2010, 04:56 PM
If your car is too far back, it will sway.
If your car is too far forward, it will transfer too much to the tongue and cause a porpoise effect.

Sounds correct to me.

HoustonNW
04-05-2010, 06:09 PM
I'm still thinking about a 16' trailer. A $30/month storage fee is almost an event a year.

This seems like it is too good to be true:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/1677618627.html

83" X 16' AUTO HAULER

EXTRA LOW DECK, NEW TIRES & TREATED WOOD FLOOR

This trailer would normal sell for $2,199.00 but we have it reduced to

$1,499.00 !!!

83" X 16 Auto Hauler that is loaded out.
83" Wide Deck (Extra Wide)
2 - 3,500 lb Axles,
Brakes,
Brake Away Kit,
2K A-Frame Jack,
Treated Wood Floor,
Stake Pockets
Extra Low Deck
New ST205 / 75 15" Tires and Wheels,
Lockable Slide Out Ramp

http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac221/txsunshine2803/CO%207X16%20AUTO%20HAULER%20XTRA%20LOW/CO7x16AutoXtraLowB.jpg

Is it?

GlennCMC70
04-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Does it have a dove tail on it? You cant build one yourself for that.

mitchntx
04-06-2010, 03:50 AM
Before I bought it, I would see how much of a PITA it's going to be to load your car.

Having to cobble together a series of ramps, boards, spacers, etc to get the nose to clear the tail of the trailer.

While typing here on the internet it doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

When you are hot, drenched in sweat in the searing sun at TWS in August and no breeze, it becomes a big deal.

jeremiahkellam
04-06-2010, 07:06 AM
It was in NE Texas, up near Mt Pleasant (just down the road from my father-in-law) but they have 20' dovetails for about $1600 (or they did a couple years back).

http://tigertrailersoutlet.com/car_hauler_trailers

Jrod
04-06-2010, 07:59 AM
Before I bought it, I would see how much of a PITA it's going to be to load your car.

Having to cobble together a series of ramps, boards, spacers, etc to get the nose to clear the tail of the trailer.

While typing here on the internet it doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

When you are hot, drenched in sweat in the searing sun at TWS in August and no breeze, it becomes a big deal.

True story. As a reference point, an 88 Thunderbird bumper will hit the front rail on a 16' trailer. We took the bumper off the Lemons car, but you proably don't want to do that with a real racecar. The mustang snout is of course shorter, but I know nothing of F-cars.
And you need to run away from the stumpy 'tractor' ramps that accompany many flat bed type trailers.

mitchntx
04-06-2010, 09:05 AM
The mustang snout is of course shorter, but I know nothing of F-cars.


About 80% of the F-Car's entire length is cantilevered over the front wheels.

MikeP99Z
04-06-2010, 09:25 AM
A Camaro is around 16' long.

kbrewmr2
04-06-2010, 10:38 AM
betcha that 16 x whatever measurement is the deck dimensions, not overall...

$1400 for a new one with all the paperwork in order to make registering it easy is cheeeaappp. Unless your time and effort is free you can't beat that.

Fbody383
04-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Before I bought it, I would see how much of a PITA it's going to be to load your car.

Having to cobble together a series of ramps, boards, spacers, etc to get the nose to clear the tail of the trailer.

True story. As a reference point, an 88 Thunderbird bumper will hit the front rail on a 16' trailer.

I built a set of plywood ramps similar those high-tech (expensive) plastic ones in an afternoon, from two sheets of 3/4", some liquid nails and screws. Under engineered or they would be lighter.

You can always cut the front angle iron on the trailer ~ but that means less to slow the car down if you hit something while towing.

Jrod
04-06-2010, 12:54 PM
I've threatened to do just that, but it's not really my trailer. It is also not a car trailer; it's got rails all around about a foot high.

kbrewmr2
04-06-2010, 04:26 PM
hey Wayne, all these trailers that aren't big enough for your car and/or too big for your garage are just about perfect for me... hook a brother up over here :lol: :wink:

HoustonNW
04-06-2010, 09:56 PM
hey Wayne, all these trailers that aren't big enough for your car and/or too big for your garage are just about perfect for me... hook a brother up over here :lol: :wink:

I thought that you have a trailer? Or are you planning ahead for that CMC race car purchase? :wink:

HoustonNW
04-06-2010, 09:58 PM
I'm almost talked into a lightweight suit. The Sparco X-lights that I am finding are all over $1100. Is that what ya'll spent? :shock:

What is the Chevy "racing" color? I know Ford blue, is it Chevy red?

GlennCMC70
04-06-2010, 10:03 PM
I'm almost talked into a lightweight suit. The Sparco X-lights that I am finding are all over $1100. Is that what ya'll spent? :shock:

What is the Chevy "racing" color? I know Ford blue, is it Chevy red?

Mine was $1500 when I got it. They aint cheap.

jeffburch
04-06-2010, 10:09 PM
I have a size 60 Sparco X-Light going to waste. ( in case someone is that size)
I originally went with a Ultrashield horse blanket suit. Big mistake.
Do it right the 1st time on safety stuff.

jb

mitchntx
04-07-2010, 05:22 AM
What is the Chevy "racing" color? I know Ford blue, is it Chevy red?

Get a light color. Dark colors absorb heat. Light colors reflect it.

RichardP
04-07-2010, 06:59 AM
Get a light color. Dark colors absorb heat. Light colors reflect it.


Something other than solid red. If you get in a big one, it's hard to tell if you are bleeding... :shock:


Richard P.

AllZWay
04-07-2010, 08:44 AM
If you have a cool suit... just about any suit will work fine.

Realistically... I only use my cool suit at the August TWS race...and maybe occasionally at Hallet in June.

The first couple of races of the year...the heavier suit is great since it so friggin cold. April TWS is not too hot and neither is October ECR.

I bought a closeout Sparco for like $300-$400 many years ago and I purposely bought black so it wouldn't show dirt and grease.

kbrewmr2
04-07-2010, 09:25 AM
hey Wayne, all these trailers that aren't big enough for your car and/or too big for your garage are just about perfect for me... hook a brother up over here :lol: :wink:

I thought that you have a trailer? Or are you planning ahead for that CMC race car purchase? :wink:

I borrow my neighbors farm equipment trailer... which is a pain to get in and out of, not mine, and I got hassled by a cop over the farm tags last time out.

Looking to get my own legit one designed to haul a car ;)

HoustonNW
04-17-2010, 08:27 PM
OK, got all of my safety equipment in.

I ordered a Bell helmet based on the fit of my open face Bell. The helmet presses pretty good on my cheeks, makes me look like a chipmunk. Now I've noticed that look on a lot of professional racing drivers, I'm watching F1 qualifying now.

So is it maybe just a case of me getting used to the fit?

kbrewmr2
04-18-2010, 08:26 PM
it'll get a little looser after you wear it a few times :)

HoustonNW
04-20-2010, 04:06 PM
One last question, I hope, before this weekend.

What do you wear under the suit? I got a Sparco X-light so it is SFI/5.

Nomex or CarbonX? Short sleeve or long sleeve? Short pants or long pants?

Regular cotton shorts and t-shirt?

I sure hope I get one of the air conditioned garages, and it's not even August! Or maybe I've been watching too much F1. :(

Fbody383
04-20-2010, 04:29 PM
What do you wear under the suit? Nomex or CarbonX? Short sleeve or long sleeve? Short pants or long pants? I respect the risk of being in a car fire. I've always done nomex long johns, even in August.

Do NOT forget your nomex/carbonx socks... it will cost you $.

kbrewmr2
04-20-2010, 04:38 PM
CarbonX is nicer, supposed to protect a little better, but costs more. I've got carbonx shirt, pants, went cheap on the socks with nomex. If your suit is enough layers you don't *have* to wear fire resistant stuff but its still a good idea.

Oh and I'm surprised you don't have a Cool Shirt (or similar) setup... they're really easy to put in, makes a big difference too.

ShadowBolt
04-20-2010, 05:32 PM
CarbonX is nicer, supposed to protect a little better, but costs more. I've got carbonx shirt, pants, went cheap on the socks with nomex. If your suit is enough layers you don't *have* to wear fire resistant stuff but its still a good idea.

Oh and I'm surprised you don't have a Cool Shirt (or similar) setup... they're really easy to put in, makes a big difference too.

Cool shirt all the way. JB used to tell me how much they help but I put it off. He was right. If it's in the 80's or higher use the cool shirt. Best money I ever spent on racing stuff.


JJ

HoustonNW
04-20-2010, 06:50 PM
I don't have a cool suit because I like being married.

Although I have hinted that one for my birthday in July might prevent heat exhaustion in August.

OK, long johns it is.

mitchntx
04-21-2010, 03:01 AM
I don't have a cool suit because I like being married.


A cool suit system is cheaper than an ambulance ride and ER co-pay.

We had a freak May event at Cresson where the ambient temps soared to over 100*. One of our drivers became severly dehydrated and suffered from heat stroke.

I take the heat pretty well and went for years without a cool suit. But once I got one, it was night and day difference. Especially sitting in grid.

ShadowBolt
04-21-2010, 08:31 AM
At least fill two zip locks with ice and put then in your suit. My first year at TWS in August I thought I was going to pass out on grid in the afternoon race. Unlike Mitch I do not handle heat very well and something happened and we were held on the hot pit for close to half an hour. I was about to get out of the car when they let us go. Using the bags was better than nothing and I would throw them in the back seat floor as soon as we left grid. I don't really have to have anything once we start moving but the cool shirt is worth every dollar. You head is just in a better place when wearing the cool shirt.
Two years in a row MFW left the TWS August event all screwed up from the heat. I assume he did not have a cool shirt.

JJ

Alien
04-21-2010, 08:43 AM
Speaking of comfort/safety, one thing I carried over from my rally days was a CamelBak. Sure, it'd be nice to have it plumbed into the helmet like the pros, but for our short races it's great even if I just use it while sitting on grid and on the cool down lap.

edrock96GT
04-21-2010, 12:02 PM
I don't have a cool suit because I like being married.


A cool suit system is cheaper than an ambulance ride and ER co-pay.

We had a freak May event at Cresson where the ambient temps soared to over 100*. One of our drivers became severly dehydrated and suffered from heat stroke.

I take the heat pretty well and went for years without a cool suit. But once I got one, it was night and day difference. Especially sitting in grid.

+1 to what he said.

I first used my cool suit when I was a HMMWV gunner in Iraq even before I used it in a race. It does make a huge difference. But if, for whatever reason, you can't or don't have one, just be sure to stay hydrated, especially during the warmer events. Your overall level of health will also be a factor in preventing heat related injuries, but staying hydrated is the most important thing you can to do to stay safe.

We (obviously) train a lot on preventing and treating heat injuries and what not so if anyone has any questions or anything, feel free to hit me up. :)

rpoz27
04-21-2010, 01:16 PM
Another thing that works well for keeping cool is those instant ice packs. Can pick em up at any pharmacy or Walmart. Just pop it before the race and stick it inside your suit. Works great and can be kept in a cooler for multiple uses.

kbrewmr2
04-22-2010, 01:31 PM
hey Wayne, saw this and thought it might be useful to you:
http://kendonusa.com/folding-car-trailer.htm

6.5' x 12' deck (could accomidate a longer car though maybe); 3,000lb capacity, folds to about a 1 x 6 x 8 space

$3700ish MSRP

they might have a larger model if that cuts it too close for a Camaro

David Love AI27
04-22-2010, 01:59 PM
Another thing that works well for keeping cool is those instant ice packs. Can pick em up at any pharmacy or Walmart. Just pop it before the race and stick it inside your suit. Works great and can be kept in a cooler for multiple uses.

I think I will be going with the 50 quart ice chest full of dry ice... Not really interested in the cooling effect, Just the weight...

Fbody383
04-22-2010, 03:52 PM
Another thing that works well for keeping cool is those instant ice packs. Can pick em up at any pharmacy or Walmart. Just pop it before the race and stick it inside your suit. Works great and can be kept in a cooler for multiple uses.

I think I will be going with the 50 quart ice chest full of dry ice... Not really interested in the cooling effect, Just the weight...

Just freeze some #10 bird shot; "ice" is ice...

David Love AI27
04-22-2010, 04:10 PM
Another thing that works well for keeping cool is those instant ice packs. Can pick em up at any pharmacy or Walmart. Just pop it before the race and stick it inside your suit. Works great and can be kept in a cooler for multiple uses.

I think I will be going with the 50 quart ice chest full of dry ice... Not really interested in the cooling effect, Just the weight...

Just freeze some #10 bird shot; "ice" is ice...

SSSHHHHH.... people are watching...

Here is my question... what is heavier, ice or water???

kbrewmr2
04-22-2010, 04:12 PM
water is more dense than ice, which is why ice floats :)

Alien
04-22-2010, 04:14 PM
Here is my question... what is heavier, ice or water???
For a given volume, such as a cooler or camelbak... water. :D

David Love AI27
04-22-2010, 04:21 PM
water is more dense than ice, which is why ice floats :)

and I'm assuming cold water is heavier than hot because the molecules are moving slower thus less volume???

kbrewmr2
04-26-2010, 11:39 AM
steam/water/ice is a weird substance, doesn't follow alot of the trends other things do

David Love AI27
04-26-2010, 06:47 PM
water is more dense than ice, which is why ice floats :)

New question for Mr. Density: What has more density, the oustide retaining wall at TWS or Glenn's head???

Fbody383
04-27-2010, 12:05 PM
water is more dense than ice, which is why ice floats :)

New question for Mr. Density: What has more density, the oustide retaining wall at TWS or Glenn's head???

Wall.

Hot air not dense at all.