2011 Nationals

[RichardP]

The #82 Orange CMC2 car made it to Mid Ohio without issue. We left the on site dyno with a smaller restrictor and a conservative 258/302. The new rain tires are mounted and we are ready to go. Dan will get his first taste of the track in practice tomorrow.

Richard P.

[Nick]

I'll be listening in, online.
Have fun and bring back some hardware to Texas.

[AllZWay]

Good Luck... I will be watching the online timing. Tell Dan to kick some butt.

[Fbody383]

Yeah, more Texas butt kicking!

Go get'em Dan!

[jeffburch]

Give 'em hell!

And, keep an eye on your cars hood pins ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3R_mGUb1kA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[GlennCMC70]

I'm pulling for you guys. I'll be sitting by the PC watching.

[RichardP]

Three practice sessions down. Three to go. Car is fine. Weather is... yucky. Rain overnight. Heavy overcast with intermitent heavy mist/light fog. Temps in the upper 50's. Track is different every lap and Dan isn't able to get any real heat into the tires yet. But he has kept it on the track. Two munched Factory 5's. Both should be rebuilt in time for racing.


Richard P.

[GlennCMC70]

Remind him it is a long week. Mid Ohio is slick in the wet, but nothing like MSR-C. Rim ridding is the key and I'm sure he knows that.

[kbrewmr2]

that sealer is nasty slick, definitely helps emphasize the rain line and whatnot :)

There are a few TTers out there as well, I'm hoping it isn't just CMCers bringing home some trophies!

[rpoz27]

Tell dan to find a GOOD set of polarized lenses and then drive around the shiney spots. Works like a charm. Sounds like crappy week like in 2008.

[ShadowBolt]

Good luck Dan.


JJ

[michaelmosty]

Thanks for the updates Richard, keep them coming. Kick some butt Dan!!!

[AllZWay]

Does anyone know if the live timing and scoring will start today? The schedule shows qualifiing at 9:35 for Group A.

Is Mid-Ohio in the central time zone?

[kbrewmr2]

http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone.shtml

says they're in eastern...

[RichardP]

Well, session 5 didn't go as well yesterday. With a damp but drying track, Dan got on it a bit too hard coming onto the back straight. That resulted in Orange picking a fight with some concrete. Anyway, a bit of body work, a new inner and outer tie rod, and a fresh wheel has the car back together just fine.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6194/6126767947_dfbafa4854_z.jpg


The weather still sucks. We had the windshield fog over big time in the first practice. It was still wet in qualifying. Because of delays and an FFR that nosed it into a wall, qualifying was two timed laps. It's now changed from a mist to a light rain.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6126788441_471d0727c0_z.jpg


First race at 1:35 local (12:35 Texas).


Richard P.

[michaelmosty]

Thanks for the heads up Richard, how did Dan qualify?
Is anyone's live timing working? I get a small box that says "security error" but I'm not sure if it is just my work computer not letting me in.

[AllZWay]

Thanks for the heads up Richard, how did Dan qualify?
Is anyone's live timing working? I get a small box that says "security error" but I'm not sure if it is just my work computer not letting me in.

I couldn't get it to work so I download and "paid" for my first iphone app... The race-monitor, but I was too late to catch Dan's session, but it is showing all the other track races.

[BryanL]

Where is the link to live timing/scoring? I guess the same deal Dave was trying for the last race at TWS?

[Alien]

http://www.nasaproracing.com/liveresults/champs

I get the security error too. There's a link to the SpeedcastTV, next race just under and hour and a half.

Go get 'em Dan!

[Al Fernandez]

Dan is 5th, Kent Owens is on pole. Standing start rain or shine. It's stopped coming down, may have a dry line by the time we go out. Tough decision for the guys to make!

[michaelmosty]

Speedcast shows next race starting Saturday at 10:45. Does this mean they are not showing the qual races?

[marshall_mosty]

Is there a way around the security error?

[Al Fernandez]

One minute on grid

[Alien]

Crap. For the speedcast, I read the days as hours and the hours as minutes. So it wasn't an hour and 23 minutes, but a day and 23 hours.

No luck with the Race Monitor still. Only thing I see is a Log In on race-monitor.com. Somehow I don't think that will help.

[AllZWay]

Is there a way around the security error?

I gave up on it and I am using the ihone app. They have hit the track.

[AllZWay]

It looks like they finished this way...

Erki Sjoblom
Kent Owens
Bob Denton
Sidney Franklin
James Ray
Dan Alford

[Al Fernandez]

Anders Sjoblom takes it, then Kent and Bob.

[Al Fernandez]

More details on cmc national forum for non texans

[RichardP]

Dan started in 5th and finished in 6th after getting passed on the back straight on the last lap. The track started wet and still very slippery under a really light sprinkling but dried at an amazing rate under race condtions. Dan's last lap was more than 10 seconds faster than we have timed him yet this week so he's still a bit lost out there. He's hoping to improve when he learns the track better under the dry. Maybe it will be dry, anyway. We made it through tech and the scales without issue. The car is all preped and ready to go for tomorrow.

We did get a chance to see a bit of the Group B race. The battle at the front of the Spec Mustang class (formerly AI) was spectacular on a mostly dry track. I'm looking forward to seeing another good race from them tomorrow. Unfortunately, we'll be on the road home and will miss the big show on Sunday.


Richard P.

[Al Fernandez]

The drama in AI has begun as about half the field failed to arrive at grid until too late. Some were late enough to miss the green, some were able to get out while the warmup was in progress.

[GlennCMC70]

I have never understood running wets on a track that does not have standing water.
Wet = dry's.
Raining hard and standing water = wet's.

Jeff Burch helped me watch the radar from the NOAA site and that helped us pick the right tire in 2008 all week. We never went out on the wrong set.

[Fbody383]

Keep at it Dan... it ain't over yet. And keep that orange straight and shiny.

[BlueFirePony]

The drama in AI has begun as about half the field failed to arrive at grid until too late. Some were late enough to miss the green, some were able to get out while the warmup was in progress.
When you posted "about half" I thought you were stretching it a bit...but seriouisly, this I just don't get....8 of 15 AI cars 1-2 laps down in a 6 lap race...how do so many cars show up late enough to take themselves out of competition? Is this some voodoo sandbagging trick I have yet to learn?

[Al Fernandez]

Top five in qual: chris Ferraro, Anders Sjoblom, bob Denton, Kent Owens, Robert salus (chris capaldi is fun running)
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CMC Chief National Director

[AllZWay]

Did Dan break? It looked like he only got in 1 or 2 laps and was in 10th.

[jeffburch]

When you posted "about half" I thought you were stretching it a bit...but seriouisly, this I just don't get....8 of 15 AI cars 1-2 laps down in a 6 lap race...how do so many cars show up late enough to take themselves out of competition? Is this some voodoo sandbagging trick I have yet to learn?

I suspect they waited to last second to pick tires. Up on stands and cut it too close.

jb

[kbrewmr2]

What I've heard of people doing with other clubs (and I like the idea) is to roll down to grid with drys on one side of the car, wets on the other, and the remaining tires, jack, and such tagging along on a golf cart, support vehicle, whatever and get as close to grid as you can and drop the stuff off. Get in your grid spot in plenty of time and make the call when it gets as close to time to roll of as you dare as to which side of the car to change tires (to put the drys on or wets...) to get on all the same tire.

[kbrewmr2]

and in other class news looks like TTer Ken Orgeron is getting the track figured out and is lurking just outside the trophies in TTB with a good shot at 'em :)

[AllZWay]

Chris Ferraro,
Anders Sjoblom
Kent Owens
Bob Denton

Looks like Dan didn't make the race.

[Al Fernandez]

Dan blew a clutch in qual. They're working on it. Sidney got dq for air dam too low. Fabulous and clean racing everywhere.

[rpoz27]

3.5 hours and no AI results...? Friday Qual looked like Rehagen/Ford Racing sweep of the top 6 spots...go figure.

[AllZWay]

Sidney got dq for air dam too low.

That stupid air dam rule probably. :D

[RichardP]

I have never understood running wets on a track that does not have standing water.
Wet = dry's.
Raining hard and standing water = wet's.


There have been a couple of times where wets might have been better this week but never while CMC was on track. Our wets haven't left the trailer (yet).


Richard P.

[Crumpacker]

There have been a couple of times where wets might have been better this week but never while CMC was on track. Our wets haven't left the trailer (yet).


Richard P.



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6194/6126767947_dfbafa4854_z.jpg


Sorry guys, couldn't help it. - Just my jealousy raring it's head...



Finish up that clutch and GOOD LUCK TOMORROW!!!!

[GlennCMC70]

Dayum Dan, what happened?

[RichardP]

So I awoke kind of foggy this morning (for some reason) but the sky was clear and sunny. Fifteen minutes later the whole place was completely socked in with fog. Weird stuff. CMC practice was up first, the fog was starting to break, and the track was dry for a change. The clutch felt funny. In qualifying the clutch issue turned decidedly not funny and stranded Dan on track.

We got it tore down and found the issue to be the flange on the throwout bearing had torn off. If I had all the parts necessary, I'm sure I could have gotten a fox on track before the race. Now way on this pig. We were bolting the tranny back in place when the CMC field took the green.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6079/6131460886_c38821944a_z.jpg


So, Dan will be starting from the back and still learning the track as he picks off cars one by one. It should be interesting to see how far he gets...



We got a chance to see the other pony cars run and, as expected, it was exciting to watch. Since the AI cars don't compete tomorrow, there is a big party tonight. I think I might head over. I don't have to drive tomorrow...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/6131463540_6bc25a18ae_z.jpg


Richard P.

[Sidney]

That stupid air dam rule probably. :D

My brake ducts are mounted to a plastic panel that is dzus fastened to my stock Firebird front fascia. One spot under the right brake duct drug on the tech inspectors templet. Nothing can be lower than 4 inches and mine was probably 3 15/16's but that was enough for the DQ.

Other things checked on my car (6th place), Tim Bennett (7th), Rob Salus (9th I think):

Measured rear wheel camber
Measured rear swaybars
Measured ride height
Measured air dam height!
Measured width and depth of radiator deflector
Measured wheel rim width (Actually didn't as everyone agreed they were stock 16x8 GTA rims. Tim's on 17" Z06's and not sure if they measured his.)

Places 1-5 released with weights and some chosen to dyno.

Sidney

[michaelmosty]

So I awoke kind of foggy this morning (for some reason) but the sky was clear and sunny. Fifteen minutes later the whole place was completely socked in with fog. Weird stuff. CMC practice was up first, the fog was starting to break, and the track was dry for a change. The clutch felt funny. In qualifying the clutch issue turned decidedly not funny and stranded Dan on track.

We got it tore down and found the issue to be the flange on the throwout bearing had torn off. If I had all the parts necessary, I'm sure I could have gotten a fox on track before the race. Now way on this pig. We were bolting the tranny back in place when the CMC field took the green.


So, Dan will be starting from the back and still learning the track as he picks off cars one by one. It should be interesting to see how far he gets...



We got a chance to see the other pony cars run and, as expected, it was exciting to watch. Since the AI cars don't compete tomorrow, there is a big party tonight. I think I might head over. I don't have to drive tomorrow...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/6131463540_6bc25a18ae_z.jpg


Richard P.
Nice picture!!!
Looks like the S197 Iron class out in front followed by the American Iron cars.

[jeffburch]

Dan/RP,
All your bad luck is out of the way.
Get a good start and go to the front.
Nothing to it.

jb

[RichardP]

Fog much worse this morning. Morning warmup was a bust. The group went out but it was just a few laps behind the pace car since the corner workers couldn't see from station to station. It cleared enough for the group after ours to go green...

Big race in one hour. The car is prepped as best as we can get it for now. Time to sit back and watch the show...


Richard P.

[GlennCMC70]

All the luck to you guys.
Overly warm the tires on the warn-up lap. Be aggressive on the first lap to make up some positions.
Hope the front guys battle to allow you guys to get into the mix.

[michaelmosty]

Does anyones Speedcast work? Mine isn't opening.

[michaelmosty]

Sweet, its on!!!

[Fbody383]

Congrats to all the CMC2 guys at Nats!

Looks like it's time for an all out Texas assault.

[GlennCMC70]

I feel myself falling into another deep depresion. Gotta get that billet Toyo back to Texas.

[AllZWay]

Congrats to all that made the trip. Too bad for Dan... He started off in a whole and never caught a break.

Nice to see Bob have a good run.

[Al Fernandez]

The race today was just awesome. I was watching the racecast without sound on a computer next to my race director computer and it looked first class. I wrote more details on the national forum. I can't believe Kent pulled too high. It's like the curse of LT1s at national events. I saw that car pull a bunch less Thursday. It's heart breaking. Everyone ran a he'll of a race and made tons of comments about their TX friends not being there.

[rpoz27]

Greg Brown is a great guy, but if they are still using his mobile dyno, they need to reconsider for future events. 3 years in a row now it has proven VERY inconsistent... The dyno used in 2008 was pretty solid...it was a "big drum" dyno. the "small drum" dyno jets are for the most part, worthless and constantly read high at any elevation and any shop.

[BlueFirePony]

Good effort from Dan - sorry to see him off...he seemed to be making up some ground.
Great effort from Bob and big congrats!! Great guy!
Too bad for Kent :(

[jeremiahkellam]

Good job to all that made the trip. Big congrats to the winners!!!

[RichardP]

So the #82 team is back home in Houston. With three drivers we were able to drive straight through. Got to see the AI race on Speedcast (Wow). We'll see how tech goes.

I'll try and update a bit later after I sleep a bit...


Richard P.

[Fbody383]

Glad to hear you guys are home safe; literally just saw Dan off and spinning on the replay.

[GlennCMC70]

Here is a link to the weekends racing. You can move thru the vid to find the race you want to watch.
CMC is around the 49 minute mark. AI is around the 211 minute mark.
http://www.speedcasttv.com/nasa/#/races/243
Enjoy.

[AllZWay]

Dan, Cody and Kent all get some video time in the same corner....but probably not the way they would have preferred.

Those sure look like some expensive CMC2 cars leading the race.

That darn dyno must suck bad for repeatability.

[Sidney]

Those sure look like some expensive CMC2 cars leading the race.

I talked to Steve Poe quite awhile on Friday. The car Chris was driving is for sale for $20,000. He said a decent 2005 GT can be bought for around $10,000. Black interiors bring good money on ebay...tan is landfill material. Shocks and Bushings sounds like the only suspension mods. Anders and James Ray have aftermarket calipers but Chris was on stock. A do-it-yourselfer can build an S197 for $15,000 or so mostly depending on how well one can get a cage installed. The days of the Fox cars are over.

Sidney

[Adam Ginsberg]

3.5 hours and no AI results...? Friday Qual looked like Rehagen/Ford Racing sweep of the top 6 spots...go figure.

When you grow up one day (doubtful) and help out to run a National event, then perhaps you'll understand why results take longer to finalize. We worked damn hard to validate everything so that when the results are released, they are 100% correct. Better to take time getting it right, then making a mistake and having to redo them.

The AI Championship race was a nail-biter. Yes, Dean Martin and Chris Cobetto took a commanding lead, but TJ Bain was an animal...De Salvo, Golinello and Bain fought an excellent battle. TJ worked his way into 3rd place with a few excellent passes (from the tower, it was clear De Salvo had been holding him up), then destroyed 4th gear during the race, yet still managed to finish 4th. It proves that effort and prep can pay off. Several folks in the tower were cheering TJ on.

As for Greg Brown's dyno - from my own personal experience, it's been accurate for my car, as well as several others. In 2006 at Mid-Ohio, I dyno'd ~240, and had to get it back down. In 2010 at MMP, I dyno'd 238. All the other cars that were dyno'd came in pretty consistent throughout the weekend. We dyno'd Kent's car 7 times before doing what had to be done, and it was a real shame to see it happen.

[Adam Ginsberg]

A little bit of trivia - Anders drove the CMC2 Championship car home on Sunday, 4 hours from Mid-Ohio to Michigan. It's still licensed and insured.

:)

[ShadowBolt]

A little bit of trivia - Anders drove the CMC2 Championship car home on Sunday, 4 hours from Mid-Ohio to Michigan. It's still licensed and insured.

:)


Cheater! No wonder he won..........look at all the seat time he is getting.


JJ

[rleng1]

Makes you wonder about the platform.

[AllZWay]

A little bit of trivia - Anders drove the CMC2 Championship car home on Sunday, 4 hours from Mid-Ohio to Michigan. It's still licensed and insured.

:)

That is crazy....

[Fbody383]

Makes you wonder about the racing weight given to the platform. Fixed that for ya Big E.

[jeffburch]

Is this what you're preparing to do?
What about HP/tq #'s.
Are they using restrictor plates?

jb.



I talked to Steve Poe quite awhile on Friday. The car Chris was driving is for sale for $20,000. He said a decent 2005 GT can be bought for around $10,000. Black interiors bring good money on ebay...tan is landfill material. Shocks and Bushings sounds like the only suspension mods. Anders and James Ray have aftermarket calipers but Chris was on stock. A do-it-yourselfer can build an S197 for $15,000 or so mostly depending on how well one can get a cage installed. The days of the Fox cars are over.

Sidney

[BryanL]

So what happened in AI?

[Adam Ginsberg]

So what happened in AI?

Allot.

Thursday qual race - 7 AI cars (out of a total of 14) did not make it to grid on time, and had to be released via the Pit Entry Marshall (me) to join the AI field ALREADY out on track, getting ready to start their race. Reason? Drivers had asked the grid workers earlier (about an hour before our scheduled race time of 2:15pm) how far behind NASA was running, and were told 20 minutes (the PA system at Mid-Ohio was not working most of the weekend). NASA managed to pick up time by cutting some sessions short, and our group was released on track at exactly 2:15pm. Those 7 drivers waited, thinking NASA was still behind.....and it cost them heavily. One particular driver sped through the paddock area, and was reported to the Race and Series Director via radio. The driver was given an option - pay a $500 fine, or have his vehicle towed EVERYWHERE in the paddock (no one was permitted to drive the car ANYWHERE in the paddock, at any time). He chose having his car towed. One reported contact, deemed a racing incident, but of the two drivers, only one filled out a contact form. The other driver was DQ'd for failing to submit a contact form.

Friday qual race was good, plenty of battling going on, minor contact between a few racers (all deemed racing incidents). Dean Martin was DQ'd for being over on the dyno, everyone else passed tech.

Sunday Champ race was a full-on nail biter. Martin started from the back, Cobetto on pole. Attrition got one racer within 3 or so laps (Winchester...broken clutch cable or pedal, not sure which), battle up front was heated...close, tight racing, each giving one another room. P3-P5 was also an epic battle between budget racer TJ Bain (in a white 3rd gen Firebird), and two S197's driven by Chris DeSalvo and Richard Golinello. Back and forth between those 3 drivers....TJ took third, then lost 4th gear in his hooptie, then giving 3rd back to Golinello, but he held onto 4th at the checker. All cars passed a rigorous tech inspection that lasted approximately 2 hours.

[GlennCMC70]

Greg Brown is a great guy, but if they are still using his mobile dyno, they need to reconsider for future events. 3 years in a row now it has proven VERY inconsistent... The dyno used in 2008 was pretty solid...it was a "big drum" dyno. the "small drum" dyno jets are for the most part, worthless and constantly read high at any elevation and any shop.

I gotta ask.....
Is this Misty or Matt? Alot of your posts lately come across as being Matt. Sorry if it is you Misty, but I was just wondering.

[rpoz27]

We merged.

[GlennCMC70]

One of you is banned from here last I checked. Let's not make it both of you.

[cjlmlml]

Lighten up Glen.

[GlennCMC70]

Are you calling me fat?

[rleng1]

Cannot wait for my first Nationals (drama filled) experience. Not sure if my heart can withstand the anguish.

[Adam Ginsberg]

Are you calling me fat?

No. He's saying you're too short for your weight.


Cannot wait for my first Nationals (drama filled) experience. Not sure if my heart can withstand the anguish.

Seriously - if you can ever make it to the Nats as a competitor, IMO, it's worth the experience. Drama and all. ;)

[donovan]

+1

[jeremiahkellam]

No. He's saying you're too short for your weight.



Seriously - if you can ever make it to the Nats as a competitor, IMO, it's worth the experience. Drama and all. ;)

If Adam is anywhere within 200 miles of the event, It will be drama filled!!

[Rob Liebbe]

No. He's saying you're too short for your weight.



Seriously - if you can ever make it to the Nats as a competitor, IMO, it's worth the experience. Drama and all. ;)

My own drama and "roller coaster" ride at nationals aside, I enjoyed the Summer Shootout at Hallet more. From a party standpoint they're both great. From a competitive standpoint it would have been great to be able to call myself "Champ" but I value a good performance at Hallet even more. There is just so much talent that shows up at Hallet every year from the various regions it is truly amazing. If you can do well at the NASA Hallet event, you should really be proud of yourself.

OH - if you do go to nationals, don't bring an LT1.

[evarner]

Makes you wonder about the platform.

I wouldn't go there. Ask me sometime. LOL!!!

[kbrewmr2]

Cannot wait for my first Nationals (drama filled) experience. Not sure if my heart can withstand the anguish.
no one writes about the non-drama events (which is 99.9% of what goes on) because it really isn't "news worthy". It'd be like writing about how the sky is blue, or driving race cars is fun, or...

Mid-O is worth driving. It's a track that separates the drivers from the hacks.

[GlennCMC70]

I've done well w/ zero infractions and DQ's 4 years straight w/ an LT1.

[AllZWay]

I've done well w/ zero infractions and DQ's 4 years straight w/ an LT1.

You have to admit...that after the past two years of dyno debacles.... you would be pretty nervous when your cars rolls on it now.

If you are legal on Tuesday-Friday, I am not sure what esle you could do to guarantee yourself to be legal on Saturday. :eek:

[GlennCMC70]

There have been HP DQ's every year. Last year was big cause it was a car owned by the Director DQ'ing it.
My money says folks are not following the dyno cert process to the letter and the result is pop'ing over. Combined w/ the wrong expectation of all dyno's should read the same as others (down to the last HP), and folks just cutting it too close, you get this result. My car made 218hp the last two years I attended Nat's. I just don't push the limits there as I know I'm in unfamiliar surrounding (dyno/scales). To me, the stakes are just too high.
Don't get me wrong, I've pop’ed over. But not since the post season DQ I got back in 2005.

Sorry to get off topic.
I look back at every National event I attended, and loved every minute of it. From learning Mid-O in a total downpour in 2006, to the cold in 2007, to the flood of 2008, to the why in the hell did I follow Al to Miller in 2009. 2006 was the best cause it was such an unknown. 23 drivers and almost none of us knew one another. It was funny to look over and say "That is Brad Simpson?" or whoever. Think of stuff like this like life experiences. Everyone should go at least once.

[Alien]

From KO on the national board...
First pull 256/306
Last pull 268/316
Average ended up 262/314
Makes the second pull about 262/319

Most air filter companies don't even claim a gain of 12hp/10ft*lbs... except the Tornado.

[GlennCMC70]

Looking at those numbers, tells me he could have cert'ed the card at too low of a temp. LT1's OEM operating temp is 210-220. Likely once it heated up (last pull) it was making peak power.

I had a big talk w/ Al yesterday about having some talks on the forums about being very deliberate and accurate w/ your dyno procedure. Adam was always very good about having group dyno days and surely this was one of the reasons - to point out where flaws were being made in the process. Water and oil temp, trans temp, diff temp, air pressure in the tires all play a big part in the number displayed. Using the same tire pressure gauge as well.
I likely have over 100 pull's on my CMC LT1 motor and it has never surprised me w/ odd numbers. I've dyno'ed in the winter cold, summer heat, at 200 ft, 1200 ft, and 6000 ft. I've always been with in about 1-2mm plate size of where I was the previous year or previous dyno.

I'm not saying Kent wasn't, but you have to wonder if it was a contributing factor.

[AllZWay]

I likely have over 100 pull's on my CMC LT1 motor and it has never surprised me w/ odd numbers. I've dyno'ed in the winter cold, summer heat, at 200 ft, 1200 ft, and 6000 ft. I've always been with in about 1-2mm plate size of where I was the previous year or previous dyno.



That is what is troublesome... I have dynoed on multiple different dynos and different temps...etc and I have never been suprised with higher numbers..... only with lower numbers when the knock sensor failed and the fuel pressure regulator quit. Both times the lower numbers led me to find out why. My car has never dynoed above 264 even with three different engines.

I would be extremely pissed to fail on a dyno that I previously passed just a couple of days earlier. Something is wrong in this picture for sure.

Usually a LT1 gets slower the hotter it gets...not faster.

[Papa Kellam]

I've done well w/ zero infractions and DQ's 4 years straight w/ an LT1.

That is why you are TRD(Mr. Perfect, I never make mistakes, Mr. GRM...... etc., etc)


Can't help myself. Have a nice day.