ECR media thread. [Archive] - Texas American Iron & Camaro Mustang Challenge

edrock96GT

10-24-2011, 12:36 PM

I have the day off and all of you are at work so I'll get this started. :D

Here's race 1....and what not to do when your ABS fails. I'll add more as they are ready.

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31035346?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31035346">NASA Texas American Iron race 1 Eagles Canyon Raceway October 22 2011</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3650366">Edward Rock</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

Race 4. Neary places 2nd by a nose.

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/31054093?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/31054093">NASA Texas American Iron race 4 Eagles Canyon Raceway October 23 2011</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3650366">Edward Rock</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

ShadowBolt

10-24-2011, 01:03 PM

I have the day off and all of you are at work so I'll get this started. :D

Here's race 1....and what not to do when your ABS fails. I'll add more as they are ready.

http://vimeo.com/31035346

Eddie,

With or without ABS Steve had the the line since he was ahead at turn-in. Ask me how I know this? Al?

JJ

edrock96GT

10-24-2011, 01:49 PM

Eddie,

With or without ABS Steve had the the line since he was ahead at turn-in. Ask me how I know this? Al?

JJ

Agreed. I was attempting (<-key word) to brake and turn in with him. Under ideal conditions, I would brake and go inside if he saw me and let me by and if he stayed on line I could still check up enough to get behind him.

Still, making a safe pass was my responsibility and I messed it up. It was clearly my fault and I'm just glad his car didn't get banged up too bad.

Casey_SS

10-25-2011, 05:47 PM

Race 3 - http://vimeo.com/31110307

cobra132

10-26-2011, 06:16 PM

Nice job. You may want to consider stiffer of solid mounts, your tranny was bouncing arround a lot. FMR

Casey_SS

10-27-2011, 09:05 AM

Yeah, I noticed that too and was surprised. Engine and tranny mounts are all poly....I'll have to take a look at everything when I get it up on stands. Maybe something loosened up on me...

rleng1

10-27-2011, 06:34 PM

Check the trans mount nut. I'm having trouble with it coming loose all the time. Even after loctite, red.

David Love AI27

10-27-2011, 07:05 PM

Check the trans mount nut. I'm having trouble with it coming loose all the time. Even after loctite, red.

Check the nut behind the steering wheel. I'm having trouble with it coming loose all the time....

Fbody383

10-29-2011, 11:11 PM

2011 ECR #39 (http://vimeo.com/31312261)

Some if it is actually ON track... and pointed in the racing direction.

JJordan

10-30-2011, 05:29 PM

edrock96GT

10-31-2011, 10:48 AM

Anyone know who was taking photos for that race? I checked the ones I could think of and the ECR website but couldn't find anything.

Fbody383

10-31-2011, 10:58 AM

Anyone know who was taking photos for that race? I checked the ones I could think of and the ECR website but couldn't find anything.My buddy Scott was taking pictures and was going to get me a CD... I'll check with him and see what he has.

BryanL

10-31-2011, 04:15 PM

ShadowBolt

11-01-2011, 08:24 AM

That's good stuff-really entertaining. Seemed like everyone in front of the 55 was prone to a tank slapper.

Pressure!

JJ

Casey_SS

11-01-2011, 06:07 PM

Race 1

http://vimeo.com/31450098

Casey_SS

11-01-2011, 10:22 PM

Race 4

http://vimeo.com/31457765

BlueFirePony

11-02-2011, 02:50 PM

Race 1

http://vimeo.com/31450098
Nice run Casey! So close ... car sounds and looks great

MPHoldway

11-02-2011, 10:47 PM

doh! wrong login

Casey_SS

11-02-2011, 10:51 PM

Nice run Casey! So close ... car sounds and looks great

Thanks! It's prolly not the most entertaining video on the internet but it was a hell of an exciting race for me. I kept thinking "holy crap...am I really holding my own with Marshall Mosty?? How is this even possible?" Thankfully Marshall was having brake issues near the end or in all honesty I'd have lost sight of him a couple laps after he took the lead. Made for a really fun race the way it turned out though. Run rabbit run! :)

marshall_mosty

11-03-2011, 10:32 AM

Thanks! It's prolly not the most entertaining video on the internet but it was a @#!*% of an exciting race for me. I kept thinking "holy crap...am I really holding my own with Marshall Mosty?? How is this even possible?" Thankfully Marshall was having brake issues near the end or in all honesty I'd have lost sight of him a couple laps after he took the lead. Made for a really fun race the way it turned out though. Run rabbit run! :)
Casey,
I had no clue you were that close to passing me on the last lap. Having a rock hard brake pedal is pretty hard to deal with when the car doesn't want to stop at all. You definately have "up'd" your game. Next season should be a blast!

ShadowBolt

11-03-2011, 10:53 AM

I just figured out how I can win some races next year. You guys cheat and use both hands on the wheel. I NEVER have both hands on the wheel for more than a few seconds. Next year I think we should zip tie everyone's right hand to the shifter knob. Lets see how fast you are then. LOL

I never even think about it until I watch the video and then it bothers me. Could be costing me a tenth here and there.

JJ

BlueFirePony

11-03-2011, 11:23 AM

Casey,
I had no clue you were that close to passing me on the last lap. Having
OK, so do I take it that a seasoned veterans solution to 'driving the mirror' is to not check the mirror at all? :twisted:

;) (why do the emoticons show sometimes and not others?)

Crumpacker

11-03-2011, 04:03 PM

OK, so do I take it that a seasoned veterans (and that Crumpacker guy's) solution to 'driving the mirror' is to not check the mirror at all?

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/samcrumpacker/Mirror.jpg

edrock96GT

11-03-2011, 04:05 PM

I... Next year I think we should zip tie everyone's right hand to the shifter knob. Lets see how fast you are then. LOL...

...And you still have to be able to get out in 10 seconds :D

donovan

11-05-2011, 08:29 AM

There are plenty of guys that either:

1. Never use the mirrors
2. Seldom use the mirrors
3. They use them but are in no way adjusted properly
4. They don't care because you are behind them, and they will use the rule that the passing car does not have the right of way.
5. They just don't care!

marshall_mosty

11-07-2011, 11:52 AM

OK, so do I take it that a seasoned veterans solution to 'driving the mirror' is to not check the mirror at all? :twisted:

;) (why do the emoticons show sometimes and not others?)
The point was I didn't know he got that close to passing, as the last time I looked he was behind me and not at my back tire. He didn't have the right to be there, as I didn't think his brakes could get him there, so I didn't check.

Now for you, Mr. "I can outbrake you by three car lengths", I had no clue you could come from 2 car lenths back to pass me going into T1. It will be interesting to see what that FR system does on a 3100lb car with aero... :)

Casey_SS

11-07-2011, 12:40 PM

It will be interesting to see what that FR system does on a 3100lb car with aero... :)

I think I could make a pretty accurate prediction but Mindy says I shouldn't use that kind of language on a public forum ;)

BlueFirePony

11-07-2011, 03:33 PM

Now for you, Mr. "I can outbrake you by three car lengths", I had no clue you could come from 2 car lenths back to pass me going into T1. It will be interesting to see what that FR system does on a 3100lb car with aero... :)
I was just happy to have held you and Frank off for a while at the start of R2.
As for the future of the FR system....I am going to start work on an IR-based collision alert system that will be mandatory safety equipment in AI for 2013...no need to check your mirrors ;)

marshall_mosty

11-07-2011, 05:52 PM

I was just happy to have held you and Frank off for a while at the start of R2.
As for the future of the FR system....I am going to start work on an IR-based collision alert system that will be mandatory safety equipment in AI for 2013...no need to check your mirrors ;)
Brian,
It was fun trying to figure out "how" I could get around you. Seat time... Seat time... Seat time...

cobra132

11-08-2011, 09:12 AM

So when can we expect to learn the fate of the FR system?

marshall_mosty

11-08-2011, 10:33 AM

So when can we expect to learn the fate of the FR system?
The directors are wodking on a plan to contain the FR system. As it is visually identical to the S197 "stock" system, there is no way to make it illegal without pulling ABS from all cars, which would be BAD.

I'm going to test mule to help determine the adjustments needed for the system.

Patience is the key, but we are doing something...

rpoz27

11-09-2011, 07:41 PM

So when can we expect to learn the fate of the FR system?

Or rules....some may be considering a come back and need to know which parts to NOT order... Matt's out in the shop working out a way to put this FR system he has on my camaro! He thinks nobody would ever look! LOL!!! Wait, did I just let one of Mitch's cats out of the bag?

marshall_mosty

11-09-2011, 11:40 PM

Or rules....some may be considering a come back and need to know which parts to NOT order... Matt's out in the shop working out a way to put this FR system he has on my camaro! He thinks nobody would ever look! LOL!!! Wait, did I just let one of Mitch's cats out of the bag?

Without letting too much cat out of the bag, the FR500S ABS will still be around, as we can't easily distinquish it from the stock S197, or GT500 system. We certainly are NOT going to pull ABS from the rules. Too much history and rework for a BUNCH of cars if ABS goes away. If Matt wants to "play" with the FR500S system in his pre-2005 car (Mustang), he won't be the 1st in TX to do it. There is already a line forming... Adjustments will be made for it, but you will have to wait and see about that when the rules are published. The goal is small steps to parity with newer technology versus older tech.

David Love AI27

11-10-2011, 10:08 AM

Or rules....

Aren't those usually released @ Christmas?

Misty, I need your phone number(s). Been needing to talk to you about a few things. call me @281-414-1738 or email to dlove21261@aol.com...

BTW what happened to your original ABS system??? I would be interested in experimenting with it in the 3 car...

rpoz27

11-11-2011, 01:06 PM

Aren't those usually released @ Christmas?

Misty, I need your phone number(s). Been needing to talk to you about a few things. call me @281-414-1738 or email to dlove21261@aol.com...

BTW what happened to your original ABS system??? I would be interested in experimenting with it in the 3 car...

the original 4 channel setup went bye bye a long time ago. Matt has installed a stock 3 channel system in the car and we had to change out the rear axle to get the correct sensor setup. We found that the ABS system will not work without certain "body control units" that were part of the stock instrument cluster and now that I have a painless harness which eliminated EVERYTHING stock not used, we don't have any of those control units. So the axle swap and ABS is more or less useless unless we find an electronics nerd to trick the ABS ECU into thinking those little black boxes are still there. Otherwise it won't power up or goes into ICE mode. Matt decided his time would be better served by figuring out a way to put the FR500 system into the camaro as it's a stand alone unit and about $12k cheaper than a Bosch unit. Z06 unit is pointless as it has stability control which is illegal since you have to use the full corvette harness to make it work and remember to turn it all off before the race. Goal is to have the FR500 unit in both cars (his first, mine second) regardless of what the rules state, but I am more interested in the track width changes if any. Mostly want to see if my $6k investment in wheels is still safe. If I can run 1/2" spacers, I suppose that is ok, but if the camaros get more than that, I'm not comfortable running a 1" spacer given the crappy hubs on the 4th gens which aren't hub centric. I might be able to have custom spacers made but then fenders become and issue too. Would have been nice to have the rules a month ago to get all this stuff in motion but as usual, it probably won't be till end of december.

Marshall, if you want a starting point on the weight penalties for the FR system...it should start at 400lbs. the 3500lb S197 cars are already out braking the 3100lb cars by over 100 feet if you watch the incar videos from Ohio. once you put that system in a 3100# fox, the S197 guys will be complaining and the GM guys will still be left out in the cold....so what is the point? Until the spec tire is named, any testing is useless. We know all the mustang guys in TX are looking at the system...start doing something for the GM folks please.

David, you would have the same issue we are having with the GM ABS unit. Probably not a good use of time. If we had a stock F-body with complete harness at our disposal, matt could probably make it work given he could figure out the signal voltages and sequences on the solenoids.

I'll try to give you a shout this weekend.

BlueFirePony

11-11-2011, 01:30 PM

Marshall, if you want a starting point on the weight penalties for the FR system...it should start at 400lbs.

or #404 to be precise - and to think that some people thought my car # was just a guess.....I saw this one coming 3 years ago.

the 3500lb S197 cars are already out braking the 3100lb cars by over 100 feet if you watch the incar videos from Ohio.

Marshall does not need the video from MidO....he saw it outside his window at ECR ;)

once you put that system in a 3100# fox, the S197 guys will be complaining

Not all S197 guys...I'm pretty competitive by nature but fair is fair.

Casey_SS

11-12-2011, 01:30 AM

If I can run 1/2" spacers, I suppose that is ok, but if the camaros get more than that, I'm not comfortable running a 1" spacer given the crappy hubs on the 4th gens which aren't hub centric. I might be able to have custom spacers made but then fenders become and issue too.

Misty - I'm running 1/2" spacers on stock SS wheels and am still nearly an inch shy of the current 75.5" max track width for AI. Unless your wheels have some crazy offset, you should be fine. From talking to Alan Blaine and others, suspension geometry becomes much more of an issue than fenders when running more than a 1/2" spacer. When you push the contact patch out that far past the kingpin axis apparently you end up with pretty some nasty kickback. Longer LCAs would fix it but like most things GM these days you either get an engineering degree and make your own or....
Just a data point for you....looking forward to seeing you back on track having fun soon :)

marshall_mosty

11-13-2011, 01:34 AM

Misty,
I should be testing at Cresson in late December with the FR500 system in my FOX. We WILL be making adjustments for the unit next year. As we gather more data on the effectiveness of the adjustments, we will determine if further adjustments are necessary.