Daily Reports

[Rob Liebbe]

Can somebody in Ohio send back daily reports? (No comments on the timeliness of our normal regional reports needed here) Just a quick and simple note is all. Those of us unable to attend would greatly appreciate it!!

[mitchntx]

I talked with Glenn around 2pm today.

He said they (Glenn, Nick, Adam, Todd, Robert and Jeff) were all within 100 miles or so of the track.

Incident free.

[macstang]

The track will have free wireless access in the vicinity of the kiosk. They will be broadcasting live lap times etc. The link is on the Nationals site. I should be able to log on and update yall daily. If I cant, Ill ask one of the others to.

[RichardP]

NASA Championships Broadcasts Live Race Results Over the Internet


For Immediate Release:

RICHMOND, CA, Sept 11, 2006 - NASA is pleased to announce that race fans will be able to watch race results from the first ever NASA Championships presented by Toyo Tires at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course live on the Internet.

Simply visit http://drivenasa.com/liveresults and you will be able to watch the race results as they happen and follow the action from anywhere in the world. For more information on the NASA Championships, please visit www.nasachampionships.com.

[macstang]

My daily report for Tues day is:

I blew a trailer hub in Columbus Ohio last night. Couldnt fand anything at that hour. Stayed in hotel. Found a hub, bought a spare also. The spare cost less than a night in a hotel so, do the math. Now Im waiting for the rain to let up so I can hook up the trailer and bring it to a car wash to hide from the elements and do this emergency maintenance.

Lessons learned: Always keep trailer bearings maintained/packed greased. Always pack a spare hub. Bearing buddies may be a good idea also for when I dont have time to tear apart the hubs and pack them.

Micah went on to the track last night. It is raining cats and dogs and isnt supposed to let up until maybe tomorrow. He did happen to have spare trailer brakes in his railer, and the bad hub took out my brakes, so I did get lucky there. I also got lucky when I noticed the bad hub at a gas station, rather than when my tire would have fell off and made a mess on the highway.

So far so good on this trip.

[macstang]

And the red car still runs like shit.....

[Tex89]

Micah went on to the track last night. It is raining cats and dogs and isnt supposed to let up until maybe tomorrow.

I just saw on weatherbug there is a flash flood waring in that area. Yeah, no sun until Thursday. Highs in the uooer 70's & lows in the upper 50's for the rest of the week.

[AI#97]

Micah went on to the track last night. It is raining cats and dogs and isnt supposed to let up until maybe tomorrow.

I just saw on weatherbug there is a flash flood waring in that area. Yeah, no sun until Thursday. Highs in the uooer 70's & lows in the upper 50's for the rest of the week.

YEP!!! Some of us went and looked at the weather histories for MO this time of year and planned on two full sets of rain tires to complement the 2 full sets of shaved tires.... :wink: Atleast the guys had some good rain race practice at TWS!!!!

[AllZWay]

NASA Championships Broadcasts Live Race Results Over the Internet


For Immediate Release:

RICHMOND, CA, Sept 11, 2006 - NASA is pleased to announce that race fans will be able to watch race results from the first ever NASA Championships presented by Toyo Tires at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course live on the Internet.

Simply visit http://drivenasa.com/liveresults and you will be able to watch the race results as they happen and follow the action from anywhere in the world. For more information on the NASA Championships, please visit www.nasachampionships.com.

They are on track and I have seen both Glenn and Adam at the top of the charts so far.

[AI#97]

only seeing current practice session which looks to be hondas.....can't find AI/CMC numbers anywhere....?

[AllZWay]

The next group went out very quickly after the AI/CMC groups.

Looked to me like they sent them out in smaller groups.

After the group that had Glenn, Adam, Nick, & Jeff, then I saw John George in the next group.

Also, a lot of transponders only show numbers and no names.

I think they go back on track around 1:25 today, if they stay close to the schedule.

Looked like Nick only made 9 laps while most ran around 16.

[AI#97]

I talked to JG this morning and told him to give me an update each day after they get there this afternoon. I will post results in this thread if need be!

[AllZWay]

Here is a link to some Nationals Pics.

There are several of Glenn, Nick & Jeff.

http://gallery.noid.org/gallery/2006-nasa-nationals?page=1

[Rob Liebbe]

James,

Keep up the great work on the updates!! Thanks!!!

[Rob Liebbe]

Qualifying just finished - check the live feed for results.

Burch is about 5th and Todd around 7th with the rest coming in closely behind.

Good luck in the race guys!!!

[AllZWay]

I had a hard time keeping up. At one point Jeff was 2nd and Glenn around 5, but after the second group came out, I couldn't keep up with the times very well and the page is refeshing to fast to figure it out.

Here is the link to the Qualifying times:
http://drivenasa.com/liveresults/liveresult.php?run=248

[donovan]

Friday Group A "CMC" Qual Times

1 brent 01:44.343
2 trask 01:44.592
3 bombach 01:44.599
4 flaherty 01:44.980
5 burch 01:45.070
6 griffith 01:45.418
7 theis 01:45.577
8 covini 01:45.739
9 orawiec 01:46.426
10 runyon 01:46.501
11 king 01:46.510
12 pfaff 01:46.548
13 ginsberg 01:46.744
14 landrum 01:46.801
15 trask 01:47.722
16 warhorse 01:48.001
17 morris 01:48.102
18 petosky 01:48.242
19 simpson 01:48.576
20 griffith 01:48.725
21 margetta 01:49.870
22 steel 01:53.323

[Rob Liebbe]

Nice summary David, looks like the Texas crowd will be giving hell at all levels!!!

[AI#97]

Nice summary David, looks like the Texas crowd will be giving hell at all levels!!!

FARK!!! Given performances at TWS with Dave Irwin as a target....I think I might have done pretty damn good! He's at a 41, top guy is on a 39 and I had David by a good 2 seconds or more at TWS....

oh well, maybe next year! :cry:

edit.... make that 4 seconds at TWS.....Mr. Marvel, I think you and I would have been kicking some serious ass Sir! :shock:

[michaelmosty]

Thanks for the update David.
Awesome qual. times guys, keep it up!!!!!!!

[AI#97]

Looks like David Reirson is qualed #2 in H2!!

Good job all you Texan raggamuffins!!!!!

[donovan]

Group A is about to start there Qual Race 1...!!!

[donovan]

Finish shows Burch and Landrum 2nd and 3rd

[michaelmosty]

Awesome, what does Qual race 1 mean? :oops:

[Rob Liebbe]

That was almost like being right there trackside :( :( :(

At one point it looked like Adam was about three places ahead of Todd and then BAM!!! Todd was ahead of Adam. :o

The live view is cool though.

Congrats to all our guys

[donovan]

Awesome, what does Qual race 1 mean? :oops:

Qualifying Race 1 and Race 2(tomorrow) sets the starting order for the 40 race on Sunday.

[donovan]

I'm trying a new image hosting, just click the images
Results from Qual Race 1 Friday

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[AllZWay]

The live view is cool though.



It is much better than yesterday's timing stuff.

Sure does make you wish you were there to watch.
Looks like Todd was 7th and Adam 8th.

[Rob Liebbe]

Qual Race 1 Winner Aaron Bambach research results:

Currently runs CMC and may have run AI in the Ohio-Indiana NASA region and I looks like he holds the class record at Mid-Ohio at a 1:47:xx (unknown date) which looks like it got shattered today by runs in the 1:44:xx range with Jeff Burch very close behind.

Work? - the bosses are all out of town!!

[michaelmosty]

Someone please help me since I know nothing about computers. What do I need to do to get the live feed for the upcoming races? I'm having withdrawls!!!!!!!!!

[Rob Liebbe]

Linky -

http://drivenasa.com/liveresults/

Go there and then click on the stopwatch on the right. if I can do it, you certainly can.

See the NASA main page for the schedule.

[donovan]

http://drivenasa.com/liveresults/liveresult.php

this link has the live data.

Saturday Race 2 Qual = 10:45
Saturday Race 2 = 2:35

Sunday National Championship Race = 2:55

[donovan]

I just watched the HC Race

David Rierson Finished 2nd in H2...

[GlennCMC70]

race 1 yesterday - Arron Bambach, Jeff Burch and Glenn Landrum. the track record on CMC.com is a 1:47.9, i ran a 1:43.6 durring the race. the winner ran a 1:43.4. the winner lives here, and is an instructor here for the Mid Ohio school.

[Rob Liebbe]

Looks like you're about to teach him a thing or two. Go get him Glenn.

[Boudy]

Morning Qual
1st James Griffith III from Cal 1:42.876
2nd Jeff 1:43.6
5th Adam 1:44.247
12th Todd 1:45.586
15th Glenn 1:47.008 kitty litter and broke
19th Micah 1:48.249
22nd Nick 1:52.665 kitty litter on 1st lap

Glenn broke alt brkt but should be repaired for later.

Can someone record the webcasts?

Boudy

[AI#97]

Morning Qual
1st James Griffith III from Cal 1:42.876
2nd Jeff 1:43.6
5th Adam 1:44.247
12th Todd 1:45.586
15th Glenn 1:47.008 kitty litter and broke
19th Micah 1:48.249
22nd Nick 1:52.665 kitty litter on 1st lap

Glenn broke alt brkt but should be repaired for later.

Can someone record the webcasts?

Boudy

Was there something about wheel spacers going on yesterday?

You guys are doing GREAT!!! Keep it up!

[NASA13]

Morning Qual
1st James Griffith III from Cal 1:42.876
2nd Jeff 1:43.6
5th Adam 1:44.247
12th Todd 1:45.586
15th Glenn 1:47.008 kitty litter and broke
19th Micah 1:48.249
22nd Nick 1:52.665 kitty litter on 1st lap

Glenn broke alt brkt but should be repaired for later.

Can someone record the webcasts?

Boudy

Did Glenn Jump his car? How did he break and Alt bracket?? I wish I was there with my mobile machine shop and welder.good luck guys.

[donovan]

Click the image below for full size image, if you see red X's, click anyway.

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[Rob Liebbe]

What happened?!?!?!? I was watching, Burch was in second, the updates stopped, I figured it was either computer error or track problem, come back later and Burch is way down the list.

AAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

Dammit!!!

We need a webcat video from the track.

[mitchntx]

Jeff was fighting for the lead and just pinched the car a tick too much ... spun. But his car still looked good.

Glenn broke an alternator bracket in qual.

A local friend found one and an alternator (shredded the alternator fan). The thrash ensued ...

Bracket, PS pump, tensioner, idler, alternator installed. No belt.

New belt arrived as Glenn took the green flag.

Ran the whole race w/o power steering! Finished 10th

Adam finished a strong 4th. Todd finished just ahead of Glenn.

Nick has had some nagging gremlins all weekend.

Micah/Jerry are animals. Running PT, TT and CMC. Powered by Red Bull and Twix.

[Rob Liebbe]

Thanks Mitch. Sorry to hear about Jeff's spin but impressed by Glenn's manliness!!!! Remind me not to arm wrestle him for money.

[AI#97]

Such is racing I guess....they have put a lot of time in the cars on track this week!!! :shock:


Looks like Spencer and Dave are doing fairly well.....maybe he will find a way around the local guy!

[Rob Liebbe]

Maybe we need Corey to go up there and perform his patented dive to the inside - lock the brakes - scare the shit out of the other guy while passing on the grass in the inside of the apex - manuever!!!! Yep - that would do it. Or is that what "Grasshopper" Burch was trying to do? :D

Get on a plane young man!!!!!


Wish I was there.

[y5e06]

so what's the order for tomorrows race?
for some reason when I try the timing/scoring link, I get the web page but where the data should be it is blank.

[AllZWay]

so what's the order for tomorrows race?
for some reason when I try the timing/scoring link, I get the web page but where the data should be it is blank.

Here is a link to the schedule, but it looks like this is their schedule.

8:05 - 8:15 - Central Time - Warmup
2:55-3:35 - Central Time - National Championship Race

[Boudy]

We finally got the grid order for the big race:

20
7
170
770 Glenn
8 Jeff
5 Adam
26
2 Todd
45
23
52
72
30
44 Micah
9
63
03
79 Nick
77
12
81
92
11
Let's wish em' luck, safety, good sence, and big balls.

Boudy

[Boudy]

AI

71
21
186 Spencer in Capp's car
91
4
15
12
82 David

Boudy

[donovan]

Show them how we do it guy!

Good luck to everyone... everyone from Texas that is...!!!

David D.

[donovan]

remember the times shown is the current/last lap not the fastest lap

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[CMC17]

A top 5 will be awesome and a great showing for Texas. Bambach is going to be very hard to beat unless he breaks or goes off (which I doubt). Maybe TC and AG will step it up and will get to the front with Aaron's mustang. C'mon guys!! Go go go!!!

[Boudy]

I'm honestly expecting 2 of our guys to finish top 5.

I hope.

Just left the pits, all of our cars are in good order and ready. Drivers are relaxing. (a good thing)

Is anyone recording the webcast?

Boudy

[Boudy]

Darn, line up has be revised. I think Nick moved up a spot and Adam got bumped to the last row. They didn't like his front spoiler or something...

Boudy

[michaelmosty]

What?!!!!!!!

[Boudy]

Congradulations to Kevin Mixon with a 2nd in class and 3rd overall in Viper/Vette Challenge X-treme.

Adam installed a new spoiler after the paintjob and it was like a 1/2 inch low or something stupid. They are dinging for everything imaginable in tech.

Boudy

[donovan]

Looks like Group H is rolling out right now, so Group A is next in about 45-50 minutes...

Jay Matus is starting 7th overall and 2nd in class...


David D.

[AI#97]

Looks like Group H is rolling out right now, so Group A is next in about 45-50 minutes...

Jay Matus is starting 7th overall and 2nd in class...


David D.

24 minutes in and looks like jay is in second!!!!!

[donovan]

for few laps he was just 0.5-0.2 seconds off the guy in 1st... he is now about 5 seconds off...

still in second...

[Rob Liebbe]

Who all is listening/watching right now?

[donovan]

Jay Matus finished Second in Class GTS3!!!

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[donovan]

Who all is listening/watching right now?

I'm watching... Listening? Is that an option?

[Rob Liebbe]

listening to the webcast and watching the live timing is what I meant - techy newby Liebbe

It must be easy if I'm doin' it.

[donovan]

listening to the webcast and watching the live timing is what I meant - techy newby Liebbe

It must be easy if I'm doin' it.

listening to the webcast... I just found it...

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11239

[Rob Liebbe]

http://www.nasaproracing.com

go down about 5 lines and click the link to "Listen here"

[Rob Liebbe]

but I'm not smart enough to record it - anyone else?

[CMC17]

Listening in now. They are rolling out on-track.

Driver introductions going on atm.

[AI#97]

Who all is listening/watching right now?

on!

[AI#97]

glenn in 2nd!!~!!

[CMC17]

Griffith III is making a huge move!! Won't be long before he's in 1st.

[CMC17]

Looks like Burch and Landrum have fallen off the pace of the two front runners.

[Rob Liebbe]

front runners may take each other out

[CMC17]

Griffith!!!! Go Mustang go!!!!

[donovan]

sounds like a demo derby!

[Rob Liebbe]

Jeff and Glenn are smart - they're waiting it out, lap times are getting faster

[donovan]

Jeff and Glenn just caught the leaders...

[AI#97]

Jeff and Glenn are smart - they're waiting it out, lap times are getting faster

Their are in 2 3 now!!!!!

[CMC17]

Griffith has checked out (yeah Mustang!!)

[Rob Liebbe]

Eric has a one track mind

[y5e06]

This is a great race!

[CMC17]

Eric has a one track mind

LOL!! Motivational that a Mustang is surpreme! I gotz to head out to the garage now and get CMC17 ready for Oct.

[donovan]

well it was hard to make out, but it sounds like JB and GL were 2nd and 3rd...

[Rob Liebbe]

Big Congrats to Jeff Burch and Glenn Landrum - just outstanding!!!!!!


Also exciting to see the response of the announcers to CMC racing!!!


I can't wait for October!!!!!!!

[AI#97]

Burch 2, Glenn 3 Yahoo!!!!!

[donovan]

yes, as they say in Texas 'Yahoo'

[y5e06]

ok, for those w/ the live timing n scoring functioning, where did everyone else finish?

[donovan]

ok, for those w/ the live timing n scoring functioning, where did everyone else finish?

the timing quit around the 25 minute mark...

[michaelmosty]

Way to go guys!!!!!!!!!

[AI#97]

Looks like Spencer took 4th in AI and Dave Irwin got taken out early on lap 4....wish scoring would update!!!!

[Rob Liebbe]

yes, as they say in Texas 'Yahoo'

But evidently we say it with very little enthusiasm per the Yankee announcer

YYYYAAAAAAHHHOOOOOO!!!

Rob Liebbe - Yahoo Racing Limited - National Vice President

[AllZWay]

Awesome.... I missed the live scoring today.

This looks like the final results.

http://mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=415136

[donovan]

AI
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AIX
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CMC
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[marshall_mosty]

4 TX racers in the top 10... damn good CMC racing guys. The announcers gave VERY little airtime to AI, a smiggen to AIX and 90% to the AWESOME CMC battle. I had Michael on speakerphone so he could listen in to the broadcast. It must have been a great race.

Bring those trophies back to TEXAS!!!

[marshall_mosty]

It also sounded like Micah had a pretty good spin recovery at the end there.

[Rob Liebbe]

Bring those trophies back to TEXAS!!!

To heck with the trophies, bring the trophy girls!!!!

[mitchntx]

I am just beat. What a freaking day.

I had the honor of working Argent Labs safety spotter in the Key Hole. What a vantage point. I could see the track out of T1, through the chicane and brake lights entering 7.

AIX and AI had decided to split their rolling starts. CMC would do their normal standing start.

The pace car was just creeping along at what appeared to be 10 mph. The AIX car were going so slow, they had to keep clutching the car.

I saw the CMC field come out of T1 and the AI field hadn't cleared the Key Hole. CMC ran down AI before AI was given the green. It was a mess.

There were lots of CMC folks who got screwed and there were those that benefited greatly ... namely Griffith. While everyone upfront was checking up for cars who hadn't been given the green yet, he was using everything between the fences to pass cars. He probably passed 10 cars through the chicane and Key Hole.

The front runners couldn't pass cars before they had been given the green. It was a cluster-fuck.

Griffith and Flahrety got past an AI car on the straights and Burch and Landrum had to follow the guy through 7 to 11. But was able to clear him and make up the "checking out" Griffith did in rather short order ... lap and a half.

Flarhety slid out at 11 and both Jeff and Glenn got by, leaving them with 2nd and 3rd. For the final 5 or so laps, the distance between the 3 cars was never more than 6 or 8.

Close, close racing.

It was an intersting phenomenon ...

It was TEXAS against other regions. And there was no animosity or shit-talking. It was just good, clean fun racing.

For those who chose brands over brothers, you just don't get it.

Texas racers garnered a lot of respect this weekend, regardless of what they drove. And Texas racers showed that we can all get along and race close, fast and have fun. :wink:

[AI#97]

Mitch, that cluster as you put it was the same shit that happened at the previous TWO NASA events at MO...I read about them earlier in the year and the event in July was pretty bad....lots of unhappy folks in CMC....sounds like they hadn't figured it out yet...?

Either way, sounds like a great event overall and the texas crew cleaned house....I just wish I could have made it for the experience and to prove to myself if I could have done well..... :( Oh well, I guess Dave and spencer can come back to TX and we can see! :wink:

[GlennCMC70]

wow, some people cant even show suport for those who made the trip to represent their own region. sad. i was sure to point out that some of our best drivers didnt make the trip. i'll remember to reserve my suport for those who suport me as i would them, and not according to what they drive.

guys, the past week was an absolute blast. too much to type here. i'll be @ MSR-H, we will share the stories then. i have the sunday race recorded and on my laptop.

[AI#97]

guys, the past week was an absolute blast. too much to type here. i'll be @ MSR-H, we will share the stories then. i have the sunday race recorded and on my laptop.


Badass Glenn!!! You and Jeff are the new Texas Heroes for going up there and showing NASA we are a force to be reckoned with. Wish I could have been there with you guys....

[cjlmlml]

Way to go guys!

You made us proud.

[Rob Liebbe]

i have the sunday race recorded and on my laptop.

Get that on the web ASAP!!! PLEASE!!!

And congratulations again!!!! I was listening on the web and just about fell out of the chair with excitement - even made my three year old cry when I told him to be quiet. So much for Daddy of the Year.

[gt40]

Guys, I was a witness to that bad start for the AI/CMC race. It was a bad deal all around, and it was the result of a simple mistake, not incompetence, negligence, or anything else. The start protocol broke down and the CMC cars were released very early.

For the record, I think a 3-way split start for that specific race was the right call, and should have worked well, save for one very simple breakdown in communication. The NASA folks at the top know exactly what happened and I'm certain that steps will be taken to change the protocol to prevent this from happening again.

(For those of you who don't know, I was the flag man at the front straight starter's stand for the AI/CMC race. I WAS NOT THE ACTUAL STARTER, but I did throw the checker.)

LT knows a bit more about the start, but I'll let him relate what happened.

[marshall_mosty]

...even made my three year old cry when I told him to be quiet. So much for Daddy of the Year.

Rob, you too?? I was in the exact same boat with my 3 yr old. My wife ripped on me later for not paying attention to him and hurting his feelings. Oh well.

[RichardP]

I just got back from nationals. I was there helping out Adam and whoever else needed it.

I just finished reading through all the stuff you guys had available to keep up with what was going on. Wow, did you guys miss out on a lot. :D

I had a blast! I'm so glad I went even though I didn't drive. It was an amazing event.

Congratulations to Jeff and Glenn for finishing on the podium. A big congratulation goes out to Adam for starting 22nd (out of 23) in the big race and fighting all the way up to finish in 6th place. Truly amazing and it was very exciting to watch.

If you missed it this year, you need to try and make it next year. You will get to see who is crowned the first national champion for the new Super CMC class…


Richard P.

[AllZWay]

You will get to see who is crowned the first national champion for the new Super CMC class…

Richard P.

I think this new class is will hurt the regular CMC class. I don't think I like the idea too much.

[donovan]

Ah... Super CMC? What is this?

[donovan]

nevermind, I found it...

http://www.camaromustangchallenge.com/cmcbb/viewtopic.php?t=2023

[AI#97]

nevermind, I found it...

http://www.camaromustangchallenge.com/cmcbb/viewtopic.php?t=2023

At this time, I think this is the stupidest idea to come along yet....I may change my mind later but you would think we would wait for something like this to happen until AFTER we get larger car counts and the AI fields were balanced....in other regions, more than 2/3 of the AI field is slower than the CMC field.....this sounds like more of an excuse for the REALLY slow CMC cars in other regions to just bump some power and go race in another class. Don't know too many people with the budgets to build these newer cars into real race cars just yet!!!

Bye the way....Glenn, I changed my mind and you should go run CMC-S!!! :lol: J/K, you are doing just fine! Keep it up.

[mitchntx]

James, back away from the ledge.

Matt, the sky is not falling.

Don't read too much into the rumor mill. Things are still evolving.

For power junkies and deep pockets, there will still be AI and AIX. Trust me ... there was some serious cash thrown at the top AI and AIX cars this weekend.

CMC-S is really a misnomer, IMHO. Think of it as AI Lite.

This means, Matt will be a shoe-in for the AI regional title just like Armstrong is for the AIX title. So, see ... you win!

CMC has too strong of a following and too strong of a base for it to whither away. Too many just like close racing using cars instead of wallets.

CMC-S opens the door for a LOT of F-Body cars and a few Mustangs. No F-Cars have been allowed since the 1998 year model because they were just too darn powerful.

[AI#97]

James, back away from the ledge.

Matt, the sky is not falling.

Don't read too much into the rumor mill. Things are still evolving.

For power junkies and deep pockets, there will still be AI and AIX. Trust me ... there was some serious cash thrown at the top AI and AIX cars this weekend.

CMC-S is really a misnomer, IMHO. Think of it as AI Lite.

This means, Matt will be a shoe-in for the AI regional title just like Armstrong is for the AIX title. So, see ... you win!

CMC has too strong of a following and too strong of a base for it to whither away. Too many just like close racing using cars instead of wallets.

CMC-S opens the door for a LOT of F-Body cars and a few Mustangs. No F-Cars have been allowed since the 1998 year model because they were just too darn powerful.

Mitch, I think you are right about it being AI Lite....however, the point of the series was to keep costs down and I suppose you could but the cars that post described are rarely found in street form for less than $14k. My concern is that it would be smarter to walk before we run.

Also, why would I be a shoe in for the regional title? I am currently in Second place and Marvel has yet to throw in the towel. If you are referring to next year, don't count on me being so competitive given the recent events in my personal life. I hope we can work that out but more than likely, AI 97 will on the auction block soon and I will be forced to fall back on HPDE to get my thrills.....racing next year may be on indefinite hold... :( Or maybe I will just find a way and go race CMC?! :wink:

[GlennCMC70]

your missing the point matt. lots of guys already have the CMC-S car just not the AI budget. this will allow a guy w/ a 98 + f-body or an '05 + mustang a place to race w/ a CMC budget. will some AI guys step down? yes. will some CMC guys step up? yes? will this help w/ the overall growth of AI/CMC? yes. the wisdom of CMC cannot be denied. we cant ignore the new cars any longer. putting those cars in CMC would place a "ringer" in the class.

[y5e06]

he cars that post described are rarely found in street form for less than $14k.

Just a data point but I've seen 3 LS1 6spd cars on Craigslist for less than $7K this month alone, 2 were under $6K. Yes, they were a bit rough. my track car didn't start pretty....

I'm uncertain of what to make of CMC-S. Sounds interesting. I also don't consider it AI-Lite as the modification allowed are far and away more restrictive than AI, they're no different than CMC. For example, other than the more expensive engine in an LS1 car, nothing else is really different than a 4th Gen LT1 CMC ride. (ok, 50hp more and 70lbs off the nose)

However, I also think you need to eventually open up the class or create a new one to keep it the lower series alive. there is almost a whole generation of cars out there that can't run the budget class. other than the 2V cars nothing else '98+ is legal in CMC with a stock engine.


My car did 280/325 stock. Now if if there is a way to knock of 25lb-ft legally and no hp loss it might be fun to play with....


this sounds like more of an excuse for the REALLY slow CMC cars in other regions to just bump some power and go race in another class

[Lewis Tanner]

DAMMIT WHERE'S THE RACE WRITE UP?? IT'S BEEN ALMOST A DAY!!!! ;)

Like everyone else said, it was a blast, and you should have been there if you weren't.

I've got a vision in my head, where someone with some editing skills takes footage from in-car and trackside during the AI/CMC race and overlays it with the recording of the announcer doing the play by play of the event... I'd buy it.

[Waco Racer]

CMC-S is targeting cars like my daily driver. I will have a place to race my car when the time comes. The models allowed are the later versions of what is classed in CMC now. The older models won't be allowed modifications to get to the increased power levels.

[donovan]

The older models won't be allowed modifications to get to the increased power levels.

Making it the "Camaro Challange"
stolen from J. Brooks

[gt40]

CMC-S is targeting cars like my daily driver. I will have a place to race my car when the time comes. The models allowed are the later versions of what is classed in CMC now. The older models won't be allowed modifications to get to the increased power levels.So it's a class for newer, more powerfull models?

Looks like we're moving towards CMC and CMC-Vintage...

[AllZWay]

I still say this will KILL CMC and become AI-Lite.

I have already seen few guys saying they are moving to CMC-S....that means CMC is losing cars already.

Seems kind of crazy to kill a class that is growing.

[Waco Racer]

The older models won't be allowed modifications to get to the increased power levels.

Making it the "Camaro Challange"
stolen from J. Brooks

I thought there were Mustangs that came with 300+ HP. Are the advertised power ratings false?

[j3ffbrooks]

Clifton,

You're correct. The 96+ Cobras advertised 300-305hp. Which really meant 265hp to the wheels.

Neat thing is LT1s and LS1s advertised the same power but actually made those numbers (or just shy)at the wheels.

[mitchntx]

I still say this will KILL CMC and become AI-Lite.

I have already seen few guys saying they are moving to CMC-S....that means CMC is losing cars already.

Seems kind of crazy to kill a class that is growing.

Don't forget about the 1/2 dozen or so cars ready to go CMC racing for the first time next season. You are one of them.

Sure, a few CMC guys will go the S and a few AI/AIX guys will go to S.

But the target owners are the phased out T2 cars. So, car counts will continue to rise.

Having heard first hand the discussion and questions, discussed the series with Todd and seeing the "evolution" of the rule set still on-going, I honestly think this is a great step forward for the series as a whole.

Remember, the key to keeping us ALL racing is car count.

[Waco Racer]

With the modifications that are allowed in CMC wouldn't the Mustangs be able to make the 280/300 numbers that are proposed? Do you have any numbers for the 05+ cars? It sounds like I need to take my car to the dyno. Do we need to take this discussion to another thread? I hate being a highjacker.

[marshall_mosty]

Here you go.

http://www.aicmctexas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6644#6644

[AllZWay]

Don't forget about the 1/2 dozen or so cars ready to go CMC racing for the first time next season. You are one of them.



That is the deal... I wouldn't have built an obsolete race car had I known about this before hand.

[macstang]

How about this 441 car that started 48th in the Performance Touring qualifying race, and finished 25th, and 3rd in class....

Hint, the 441 is a black Mustang with US Army on the hood, and Hoosiers on the wheels.

Finished 4th in class on Sunday after holding 2nd for 15 laps. Spins suck.

Driver / Lap 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
1 - Bobby Pugh (36) 36 4 4 4 4 36 36 111
2 - Jeremy Christensen (4) 4 111 36 36 36 4 111 36
3 - Ryan Ellis (71) 71 36 111 111 111 111 4 4
4 - Mike Bryant (111) 111 6 6 6 71 6 6 71
5 - Bobby Christensen (5) 5 2 2 71 6 71 71 6
6 - Corey Christensen (6) 6 11 71 2 2 2 2 2
7 - Mike Rard (2) 2 71 5 11 11 5 5 5
8 - Daniel Blevins (14) 14 5 11 5 5 11 11 31
9 - Michael Diaz (11) 11 14 31 31 31 31 31 11
10 - Danny Boyle (99) 99 31 99 99 99 99 85 212
11 - Stephen Jeu (31) 31 99 85 85 85 85 99 85
12 - Tom Hennig (85) 85 85 14 212 212 212 212 99
13 - Patrick Lindsey (212) 212 212 212 3 3 3 3 3
14 - Thorpe Logemann (3) 3 3 3 1 1 1 1 1
15 - Tom Dragoun (177) 177 1 1 0 0 0 177 177
16 - David Beatie (0) 0 0 0 177 177 177 0 198
17 - Dan Elam (66) 66 66 177 198 198 198 198 0
18 - James Wagaman (198) 198 177 198 66 72 72 72 72
19 - Mike Arnheiter (78) 78 198 66 72 63 77 77 77
20 - Joel Lipperini (1) 1 63 63 63 77 63 63 63
21 - James Rauck (72) 72 72 72 211 211 211 211 211
22 - Kevin Margetta (63) 63 78 78 77 7 7 7 7
23 - Greg Greenbaum (77) 77 211 211 7 18 78 41 41
24 - Ryan Flaherty ( 41) 41 7 7 18 10 18 78 O1
25 - Brad Simpson (36x) 36x 18 18 21 41 41 O1 441
26 - Joseph DiMinno (O1) O1 10 21 78 O1 10 18 78
27 - Daniel Waleke (211) 211 21 10 10 36x O1 36x 18
28 - Erich Heuschele (7) 7 O1 77 O1 78 36x 10 10
29 - Kevin Fandozzi (21) 21 77 O1 41 44 44 441 36x
30 - David Colletti (18) 18 75 75 36x 75 75 44 44
31 - Thomas (Toby) Curran (73) 73 73 41 75 68 441 75 75
32 - Ryan CieChanski (10) 10 41 36x 44 441 68 68 68
33 - Steve Couture (75) 75 36x 44 68 73 73 2 100
34 - Gene Lukianov (81) 81 44 68 2 21 81 100 2
35 - Michael Peters (2) 2 81 2 73 81 2 73 67
36 - Red Bordner (37) 37 68 73 81 2 100 81 73
37 - Bill Mosley (85) 85 2 81 441 37 37 67 81
38 - Shawn Meze (100) 100 37 37 37 100 67 37 32
39 - Will Faules (44) 44 32 32 32 32 32 32 37
40 - Nicole Cooper (8) 8 100 441 100 67 85 85
41 - Dennis Holgate (82) 82 85 100 67 69 69 66
42 - Brett Mars (68) 68 67 67 69 85 721 721
43 - Ted Severns (32) 32 8 69 85 721 8 8
44 - Scott Lear (67) 67 441 85 721 8 66 121
45 - Andy Slankard (69) 69 69 121 121 121 121 82
46 - Brian de Villa (721) 721 721 721 8 82 82
47 - Max Kelch (121) 121 121 82 82 66
48 - Team Warhorse (441) 441 82 8

[mitchntx]

Don't forget about the 1/2 dozen or so cars ready to go CMC racing for the first time next season. You are one of them.



That is the deal... I wouldn't have built an obsolete race car had I known about this before hand.

James ... this isn't some saturday night dirt track owner getting a whim and changing sanctioning bodies.

This a national level ADDITION.

Nothing is gonna happen with CMC. You are panicking over nothing.

I can see where you might have a bad taste in your mouth as what you describe is exactly what happened to you.

But this isn't Paris Speedway and a prick for an owner.

If you were to wait for every single wrinkle to be ironed out before you went racing, you'd be too old to do it.

I left you voice mail to call me on my cell. But I understand if you don't want to talk. I was ready to kick all my to the curb 2 years ago.

[AllZWay]

[quote="mitchntxI left you voice mail to call me on my cell. But I understand if you don't want to talk. I was ready to kick all my to the curb 2 years ago.[/quote]

Sorry... I don't have my cell phone with me today. You know I'll talk. :D I'll snag it a lunch and give you a call.

I may be panicking, but yep I already been screwed big time by rules changes. :cry:

[oz98cobra]

Congrats to all drivers from TX on an outstanding result at the Nats, particularly Jeff and Glenn for their podium!

And well done team mate for 6th from 22nd on the grid! Awesome Adam!

I'll post my comments on the CMC-S in the thread that Marshall started on it.

[Adam Ginsberg]

Congrats to all drivers from TX on an outstanding result at the Nats, particularly Jeff and Glenn for their podium!

Yep - they drove stellar all week, and it showed.


And well done team mate for 6th from 22nd on the grid! Awesome Adam!

Thanks - it was a hell of a race, and a great weekend. The racing was very close and tight, with everyone being pretty well behaved. Overall, I accomplished every single goal I had going into the trip.

Some brought their A-game, others brought their B-game.....and some with huge egos didn't bring any game to Mid-Ohio at all. Except a golf cart. :lol:

[AI#97]

Some brought their A-game, others brought their B-game.....and some with huge egos didn't bring any game to Mid-Ohio at all. Except a golf cart. :lol:

I don't own a golf cart?! :wink:

[dirwin]

they had rentals at the track.

[jeffburch]

Congrats to all drivers from TX on an outstanding result at the Nats, particularly Jeff and Glenn for their podium!

Yep - they drove stellar all week, and it showed.


And well done team mate for 6th from 22nd on the grid! Awesome Adam!

Thanks - it was a hell of a race, and a great weekend. The racing was very close and tight, with everyone being pretty well behaved. Overall, I accomplished every single goal I had going into the trip.

Some brought their A-game, others brought their B-game.....and some with huge egos didn't bring any game to Mid-Ohio at all. Except a golf cart. :lol:

That cart does one helluva burnout though huh?!!!!