TWS videos

[Suck fumes]

I would love to see Craig's video from Saturday R1 if you have a chance to upload it.

[JMR81]

Here is our last lap video from TWS. Race 3 chasing Casey it was a fun one. Sad to see this place go
https://youtu.be/8WE9jquBRvA

[Supercharged111]

I would love to see Glenn's flying car. Anybody? :D

[blk96gt]

Race 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VPxMWLRZk8

[Fbody383]

I would love to see Glenn's flying car. Anybody? :D Gary has it from a front cam, I have it from a rear. I tried to do a zoom-in, slo-mo but it was too erratic. I'll get something put together soon.

[Suck fumes]

I'd like to see Allfords footage of R3 if he has video too. First few laps were fun!

[Trublu]

I would love to see Craig's video from Saturday R1 if you have a chance to upload it.

Will do. Right now go pro is still in the car which is still on trailer attached to RV. C

[Fbody383]

https://vimeo.com/126321963

[Supercharged111]

You should redub that with some Waylon Jennings.:D

[Suck fumes]

R1

http://youtu.be/AYPw_DLJ75w

[Fbody383]

R1 At least make it look like you're working hard. Thanks for sharing that - just confirms a lot of what I already know about my car/driving.

[edrock96GT]

R4. The only video that saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Y7tMbLe3A

[BryanL]

Here are some nice pics. Check the ones on Saturday with page 2 mainly being the start of R2.

http://shutterspeeddesign.zenfolio.com/p595232790

[Fbody383]

Orange looks good in #36... but that dark gray just isn't working for me.

[Crumpacker]

R1 https://vimeo.com/126448452

Complete with me causing a Red Flag for my 'assumed' roll-over. Sorry for that guys.

[JJordan]

R1 https://vimeo.com/126448452

Complete with me causing a Red Flag for my 'assumed' roll-over. Sorry for that guys.

That was a great race we had. Did you and Al have a pact to take me out that lap? Al missed when he tried to take off my front bumper in turn 1 so you decided to try to finish me off in turn 13?

-Jay

[Suck fumes]

If Sam had worked with you at 8:20 and bumped you y'all both could have drafted past Al.

[mach1]

R1 https://vimeo.com/126448452

Complete with me causing a Red Flag for my 'assumed' roll-over. Sorry for that guys.

Nice video!

[BryanL]

R1

http://youtu.be/AYPw_DLJ75w

Nice vid. Would have been nice to see if Craig could continue to keep up had Mike not let both of you through. Sorry Craig.

Oh yeah-one more thing as I'm used to trash talking beforehand. Let me just say as of right now the 24 won the last CMC race ever at TWS with the 55 in second-NICE! Good job Patterson on a brilliantly executed plan.

[Suck fumes]

Dads race

http://youtu.be/oB2cc4UHu4g

Gotta love it when an AI car parks it in the turns then drives a defensive line so an out of class car can't pass.

[cobra132]

Obviously "class" has nothing to do with it.

[JMR81]

guess he didn't get the memo about interfering in other classes races,to bad it screwed up Sam's race

[Supercharged111]

Dads race

http://youtu.be/oB2cc4UHu4g

Gotta love it when an AI car parks it in the turns then drives a defensive line so an out of class car can't pass.

If he's gonna race like he's in class, then perhaps a friendly CMC nudge is in order?

[mach1]

Was Jerry driving the AI car giving his "nono" finger??

[Suck fumes]

If that car hadn't of just came out of the body shop I'm sure there would have been more aggression. I just feel my dads frustration cause running a spec iron car that's gridded behind AI is just a cluster. It would be one thing if there was a race going on with two in class cars but there wasn't so there is no reason why track etiquette should be ignored.

[Fbody383]

It would be one thing if there was a race going on with two in class cars but there wasn't so there is no reason why track etiquette should be ignored.I'm sure there are two sides to the story, but I'm generally in this camp. Dustin and I caught up an AI car at Hallett while racing for 4th/5th in CMC and he got a lot closer when I had to struggle a bit to get by.

If I'm not involved in an in class race, I try to let folks by.

[Fbody383]

A little of the R1 from Orange.


https://vimeo.com/126569172

[JMR81]

Nice video so thats what caused the red flag in race1.

[cobra132]

Wow, I am very sorry to have caused so much frustration, aggression and anxiety. I did not realize that people were so sensitive and easily upset. I did not see any other cars anywhere in sight except for the Orange AI car I was slowly closing on. I am not sure where the SI race was. I thought I was driving my line and that it was, in fact, a race. I did not realize that the proper etiquette was to pull over and yield. I can guarantee that it will never happen again.

[Al Fernandez]

Awesome videos and awesome racing!! Man I was all over the place that 2nd race; both fronts were corded :( I totally should've wiggled my finger at Jerry coming out of 2.
And 5
and the caroussel

Frank, no need to get upset. Its fair comments by these guys that you should've let the SI car pass. He keeps catching you after the long straight so there's no harm in letting him by since he's clearly quicker. If it turns out he actually is slower, you can always pass him back. Anyway, no need to get upset, just something to be more aware of next time.

[GlennCMC70]

Wow, I am very sorry to have caused so much frustration, aggression and anxiety. I did not realize that people were so sensitive and easily upset. I did not see any other cars anywhere in sight except for the Orange AI car I was slowly closing on. I am not sure where the SI race was. I thought I was driving my line and that it was, in fact, a race. I did not realize that the proper etiquette was to pull over and yield. I can guarantee that it will never happen again.

I saw the SI vid. Certainly not the illegal blocking that was reported. Not really blocking at all.
Was there an SI car behind your dad Aaron? Was there a close race for that position? If not, I don't see how his race was more important than Frank's. If Frank felt he was catching an AI car, then he should keep peddling.

As for this comment -
[quote]I just feel my dads frustration cause running a spec iron car that's gridded behind AI is just a cluster.[\quote]
When SI out qual's AI, then SI can start up front and listen to the AI cars have the same complaint your dad has. No different than the CMC guys who have put up w/ it for years w/ AI and now SI. There is no rule for this. Act a certain way, expect that to be how you get treated. If you did no wrong, then sleep well at night.

[Suck fumes]

Glenn listen,

The whole point I was trying to make was if they had just swapped places they both could have gone faster. The SI car was running overall faster times and quicker in the enfield but the AI car had more power down the straight. If they had swapped then the SI car could have gapped him enough in the enfield and then the straight wouldn't have been an issue and they both would have a chance of catching their leaders instead of being in each others way.

And if an out of class car is running a defensive line then that's blocking in my book cause you can't ever get around them! If they were in the same class then yah run all the defense you want.

If all the classes have mutual respect for each other and give each other space then all of us will be faster and happier. But I've been beating this dead horse for a long time and frankly I'm over it. People will still do what they want regardless of what is said in a meeting so it is what it is.

[GlennCMC70]

I get what your saying, I've been there. And yes, they may have both gone faster. Best plan is to talk with the driver your fustrated with in person, not trash talk them here.
Don't assume the line he was running was defensive. Not all drivers run the same line. I know plenty of drivers who dont use the whole track and that is what it looked like Frank was doing.
I know CMC guys who have been racing for many years that still leave tons of track un-used from turn-in, to apex, to track out. It may be how much they are willing to risk it.

A block is a reaction by the lead car to the trailing car. I didn't see that. A single move is legal. It takes a double move to be an illegal block.

Of all the years I've driven around Frank, I've not known him to do what your saying. Just because he didn't do what you prefered, doesn't mean he is wrong.


But the other question stands........ Would either of your races had a different outcome if Frank had moved over? Frank wouldn't likely catch the AI car w/out a mistake on the AI cars end, and the same for your dad.
This is the reality of mixed calss racing. There will be times where different class cars have times that match closely. Its part of it. For years me and Davis Donovin would race ontop of each other all weekend long. Its part of the deal. I've won races as a result of it and lost them as well. One time it will work for you and next against.

Frank - I approached you in a sence of obligation to any complaints that are given to me. I watch the SI vid for the same reason, out of obligation to the complaining driver.

[Suck fumes]

I'm not trying to trash talk anyone. We've tried talking to individual people and it usually works out but why should we have to experience this over and over and have to talk to every single person that does this? Just gets aggravating when this has been brought up in meetings numerous times but yet nothing changes.

I personally like everyone in our group, so this is not meant to be a personal attack. I just want everyone to see eye to eye when it comes to out of class racing and mutual respect and space.

As to the question would it have changed the outcome of the race?
Answer: who knows, we never had a chance to even try to catch up cause we couldn't get around.

[Rob Liebbe]

A few pics from TWS

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[edrock96GT]

...It would be one thing if there was a race going on with two in class cars but there wasn't so there is no reason why track etiquette should be ignored.

I was a few seconds behind for most of the race, so add me to the orange car and you have two cars Frank was racing and not one other SI car in the vicinity. I think that gives him the right to the line, not to block (I think we all know the video proves that he did not), but certainly to stay on the racing line. If he really wanted to pass, then pass! Nobody is going to get butthurt about it. I know it's easy to get wrapped up in what's right in front of someone, but we have to keep our heads and think about the big picture, take an objective look at the situation and decide what's really right or wrong with it.

To put myself in your dad's shoes; I spent all of R4 behind an SI car. I had a couple chances to try and jam in a pass, and even did pass on the front straight only to back off and let him back in front. I evaluated the situation and knew that I wasn't going to catch the next AI car, and there were none behind me. I then made the choice to just settle in and enjoy the drive.

We need to remember that we all do this to have fun and at the end of the day we're all friends. Nobody gets paid to do this and our families aren't going to starve if we don't make the podium so let's all just relax and enjoy ourselves out there. :)

[Suck fumes]

Well we do get paid on Toyo bucks. A pretty substantial amount actually. Doesn't matter anymore it's over and that place is getting bulldozed haha

[AI#97]

Have you guys ever considered just gridding the entire pack by qual times and just one green flag?

[Suck fumes]

Yes but the whole AI and SI group has to agree to it. Doesn't usually come to a unanimous agreement.

[GlennCMC70]

Why would any racer who wants a fair and honest race want out of class cars between himself and the cars they are racing from the very start?

If we did this, we would have the above complaints every single race by multiple drivers. I don't see how that would fix anything.

[Rob Liebbe]

Well we do get paid on Toyo bucks. A pretty substantial amount actually. Doesn't matter anymore it's over and that place is getting bulldozed haha

Aaron - you are a classless SOB. Please take your shit and go somewhere else.