Inverted Starts

Since it looks like fun to start a thread that will eventually get locked…


I thought I’d get a reading on people’s current thoughts on inverted starts. Do people like what we are currently doing by splitting up the different classes? Changing from inverting the whole field really took a lot of fun out of it for me.

From what I saw, the inverted AI field had fully un-inverted itself by the third turn of most of the inverted races. What’s the point, I guess?

There is enough field depth and parity in CMC that inverting their field still made for some great racing there. Does adding extra out of class cars to that mess that up or is the skill and challenge of dealing with traffic better than your competitors an important part of the game??? It sure seemed to be part of the game at nationals.

Now that Matt has a season under his belt, he seems to get it and appears to like the variability and challenge of racing with out of class cars mixed in. Is that true Matt? What are your thoughts on going back to fully inverted starts???


I’d like to see us go back to fully inverted starts. There were a few polls taken last year on this topic. All of the results I saw showed that the majority of the racers wanted to keep the fully inverted starts. Is that still true? Is there any hope of going back???


Richard Pedersen

Richard, I certainly don't mind fully inverted starts.

The only issue I would have is if an out of class car, who is running alone, gets bored and wants "to play" with a pair of out of class cars jockeying for position.

Is the entire AI/CMC field patient and mature enough to realize that and not affect the outcome of an in class race just to amuse themselves?

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Originally Posted by RichardP

Now that Matt has a season under his belt, he seems to get it and appears to like the variability and challenge of racing with out of class cars mixed in. Is that true Matt? What are your thoughts on going back to fully inverted starts???
Richard Pedersen

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Since you asked me specifically and since I am by no means the lead spokesperson for anything, I will say nothing more than this. I enjoyed the close racing, however, didn't like the risks I had to take in race 3 at the last event to get to the front....that was fun, showy and crazy....but a little too crazy really!! Granted, it was my own doing to be put a the back ass of the field, however, it doesn't quite seem fair for the fastest AI competitors to be gridded at the back while a slower AI car that struggled in the first race checks out while gridded on pole.... That situation is just asking for trouble. Not saying I would 100% support inverts as they were....but maybe with a few changes that kept the groups together.

Oh, and Richard, there were several races where Chris and I cleared the field by turn 1! :wink:

That's it!
Matt has spoken.
I'm locking this one down.






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...but if we start debating 40 minute races and who pays for dyno pulls in this thread then we are SO locked down! LOL

Keep in mind that next year there will be one more class thrown in with CMC2. How have the inverts been set up here in the past?

I personally vote for fully inverted grids. I'm not as talented as some, so it takes me a lap or so to "clear the field"... 8)

I think it adds a dynamic that makes it REALLY close racing. I feel comfortable with 95% of our drivers in close proximity. For the other 5%, it might just get a little too close without a little persuasive rubbin’.

The inverted grids give me something to do until I fall into “chase” mode trying to run down the top “3”. I feel I’m currently in the same boat as Richard Pedersen was a few years ago. You can out-drive the CMC guys (most of the time :D ) and end up running a lapping session for the entire race.

JMHO

I don't mind "fully" inverted starts as long as it's only AIX/AI/CMC out there. Thrown in any other a$$clowns (exluding Jay and Kmix of course)...er out of class cars and I have to give a :thumbs-down:

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

Keep in mind that next year there will be one more class thrown in with CMC2. How have the inverts been set up here in the past?

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which are going to be more difficult to pass! Inverted by class still works especially with the members of each respective class getting closer in speed. It's just a matter of time before less than 1 second covers the entire AI field....It WILL happen soon!!!

Fully inverted starts prove what? That I can pass a slower and bad handling CMC car. What is the point of the risk? Sunday's race 1 I did not qualify (Call me what you want, but I am the one who foots the bills for my car. No one is going to pressure me into taking unnecessary risk.) I started behind everyone and would have been content to stay there if a few CMC cars would have stayed on the track. Getting tired of having mud thrown on me, I decided to start passing folks. Again, what does it prove and what is the point. I am not racing anyone in CMC. I was not racing anyone that entire weekend. Some CMC folks will let an out of class car pass and then there are other's who will not. The one's who let you pass understand class racing, the one's who don't are stupid.

Fully inverted starts are putting more expensive cars at a greater risk. Who is getting the thrill on fully inverted starts? The driver or the spectator? The spectator can take a flying leap! Only if a spectator ponies up to pay for my car, then would I actually entertain the idea of fully inverted starts. Until some moron pays for my ride, it is exactly that, my ride.

Those people in AI, who need fully inverted starts to be competitive, should practice more. The only way a deficient AI driver could win in a fully inverted start is if a clueless CMC car holds off the rest of the AI field. Otherwise the usual folks who win are going to win. Is this winning by affirmative action? That is not winning. That is being handed a crutch and saying, "We know you and your car suck! We want you to win so you go home feeling good about yourself."

The same people who came up with fully inverted starts are probably the same whimps that say, "Everybody is a winner. Let's not keep score so little Johnnie doesn't have his self esteem crushed." Well little Johnnie is going to get his soft ass crushed in the real world. How do you think little Johnnie is going to handle that big disappointment.

Leave the starts the way they are. Fully inverted starts suck. Fully inverted starts prove nothing. Fully inverted starts only give rejects a momentary boost in confidence. Fully inverted starts increase the risk of frustration, anger, aggression, and crashes. None of those items are good for the series.

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