Live from Mid-Ohio (Updates)

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Originally Posted by Rob Liebbe

I also don't think that anybody puts more time and effort into CMC car setup than Glenn, Jeff and Mitch. There is no easy way to get around that fact.

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Very kind words, Rob.

I've been doing a lot of thinking about this platform parity thing and wondering about it. I've concluded that like everything else, it ebbs and flows. CMC history kind of plays that out.

The time Glenn and I have spent is not so much in building/rebuilding the cars, rather experimenting with stuff easily changed at the track, like tire pressures, wheel spacers, rear springs and sway bars.

We have gotten to a point where we know what to expect from a specific change under certain conditions.

It's not like we've gone out and rented tracks for a day. This was all data collected while doing open track events, like we all do. Nothing special about a pressure gauge, pyrometer and a piece of paper. You just can't get out of the car and go socialize ... it's a commitment.

One of the things that was stolen in my truck break-in was 3 years of notes on what changes were made, given a specific set of circumstances and the end results of those changes. That was irreplaceable data.

Sunday morning, Corey and I had a conversation about his car's ill-handling. I tried to help, but it was obvious that Mustangs respond differently ... WAY differently ... to similar changes in an F-car. Sorry, Corey. Maybe we should talk.

You are right, Robert. I need to learn more about Mustangs.

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

anyways. i'll drive anyones car. i would love to see how hard these Fords are to drive.

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Don't say it unless you mean it. I'll trade rides with you at MSR Houston next month. I know I'm not very good yet but I'm willing to swap rides in practice to see what kind of time difference you would have in the Mustang. CMC 17 will have the welded in cage and a new (wider) seat by then.


JJ

How about some Mid Ohio pictures getting posted in the gallery?

I think I can shed a little light on the GM vs Ford Debate.
I have driven my car and Morgans car back to back with my car set up and performing properly.

GM Definitely is easier to drive. GM definitely has handling and design advantages. GM is dominating the series. BUT GM also currently has almost all the dedicated hard working drivers racing them.

GM is also HEAVY. Awkward. Much more difficult to work on. Much harder to navigate in traffic and on starts and terrible in some trail braking situations.

I showed up at Nationals with one set of tires, that I wasnt that impressed with. Top 9 had 3 or more sets.
I had old rotten brakes that would not slow the car.
I still have not checked alignment since my wreck.
Car is very squirrely at speed.
I had old cracked rotors.
I had a practically open diff until Saturday.
I struggled with the cold temps and screwed up my tires pressures almost every race. I qualified with 48 psi in the front.

With all these compromises, I still ran competetive lap times from time to time.
I have not worked on my car since Hallett and I was still mid pack at nationals.
I am certain that I can make my car go fast enough to catch Jeff. I am not so sure that I can control the car for 40 minutes without a mistake.
It is a tough car to drive at the limits for extended periods of time. I am working on that and expect to see my lap times improving next year as I explore the limits of my car and tuning.

Considering how different the platforms are, they are EXTREMELY close. We are racing within tenths now and how much ballast can we add to an F body? I never even use my 50 lb weight advantage either, so how can I complain. I come off at 3200 all the time.
I think the mustang has an advantage at Hallett and other short tracks, and I think TWS is almost not worth attending. But I have never ran TWS with 3.42 gears either.?? Lots of questions and no one really working hard on the mustang chassis answers.

I think GM is a faster, easier turn key solution for CMC , but I believe a well set up mustang could be faster and much easier to run in traffic and tons easier to work on if anyone ever spends the time developing the chassis to the max.

I will stick with the mustang for now, and drive Morgans F body everytime he lets me. I will let you know if I see a serious performance advantage that is not caused by my lazy wrench turning.

If we are seriously concerned about keeping the series legitimate, then we all have to work TOGETHER and see who has an advantage.
If GM doesnt believe there is an advantage ,then they should not mind sending out some fast ford drivers in thier cars to prove it and vice versa.

In Shifter Karts, when someone accuses you of having a better chassis or engine, there is only one way to settle it. SWITCH. Best driver will prevail.
This series is not just about drivers though. Best set up and hardest working crews will win. I am here to learn how to drive. I dont have much interest in the set up and that clearly shows. When I really want to win in this series, I will have to learn how to tune my damn car.

That is my story. Take it for what it is worth.

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Originally Posted by cjlmlml

How about some Mid Ohio pictures getting posted in the gallery?

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web album
jb


http://picasaweb.google.com/TexasCMC...ey=cD3xzTonvg8

i see your 3200 and raise you a 3250. my car comes off most tracks after a 20 race at 3250. long gone are the days of 3210-3220 for me. in fact, the car was 3250 post race for the championship race. i put 15lbs of ballast in and we were cut 10 minutes short in the race. i have the lightest 4th gen in just about the whole country and i'm no where close to getting it to 3200 post race.

we tried letting a Ford guy drive an F-body, and he shit inside the trans after he "jumped" his own ride. :roll:

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Originally Posted by NASA13

I think I can shed a little light on the GM vs Ford Debate.

If we are seriously concerned about keeping the series legitimate, then we all have to work TOGETHER and see who has an advantage.
If GM doesnt believe there is an advantage ,then they should not mind sending out some fast ford drivers in thier cars to prove it and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

we tried letting a Ford guy drive an F-body, and he shit inside the trans after he "jumped" his own ride. :roll:

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Yeah, I'm kind of leery to let someone from the dark side "test" parity at this point.

Nice try, though ... 8)

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Yeah, I'm kind of leery to let someone from the dark side "test" parity at this point.

Nice try, though ... 8)

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Can't get ANY love around here!!! :lol:

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

we tried letting a Ford guy drive an F-body, and he shit inside the trans after he "jumped" his own ride. :roll:

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I said a fast ford driver Glenn.

Sorry Todd, it was too easy.

You know Corey is a lot brighter than he looks.

I think he said it as well as anyone and he knows it is true.

My pig came off at 3305 (turns out that was a good thing) I did that for a few different reasons but mostly if you get them down to minimum there is no weight over the rear.

Corey you can drive my car anytime(just let me out first).

I can tell you that a HUGE reason I did well this year was because of Glenn, Mitch and Jeff being so completely honest and straight forward everytime I asked them a question and I asked a ton. You guys are really genuine people and deserve anything you accomplish not just in racing but in life.

Thanks again
Cody