Class Spec discussion

AI? No thanks, I'ld rather go run wik ASedan cause I know what road they are heading down. :shock: Didn't see this CMC road 2 years ago.

You see, wik CMC, I can still not get completly out dragged wik my 209hp 180k mile motor. If I show up wik that in 2010, it won't matter how much my driving improves, I still won't be able to keep up unless I fork over some cash.

To someone who is coming into CMC, they can't just get a 3rd gen or Fox, throw in the safety reqs and go racing. Now you will have to buy whatever they allow to get the hp up... and wheels... and ...

Yes, I realize to run up front you have to spend money. I'm sure anyone who goes to nats has a somewhat fresh motor. It's a choice. Spend money run up front. Have used equip, run midpack/rear. Now it's a case of upgrade or die.

[edit]Guess I'm just more ticked at how short the time frame is... one year. I say one year even tho it's only July because I bet it takes awhile for the list of upgrades to come out to the masses. And for someone on a small budget who is just happy to be able to pay gas to GET to events, a year isn't much.[/edit]

I don't think this is going to be that crazy of a change. I am not that educated on the CMC2 rules so this a shoot from the hip.
I see the big changes being HP, brakes, wheels/tires.

For a Fox, getting to 260 hp "should" be $300-500. A set of shorty headers and a camshaft should get you there. Marshall's 1st motor built back in 2004 was basically my exact motor with JBA headers and a Trickflow camshaft. He made 259 hp.

The other main factors that I foresee are brakes and wheels/tires. Brakes might be good for the long-run with better wear and durability but if you can lock-em up now, you'll still lock-em up with bigger brakes.

Testing will tell the difference for wheels and tires. 17's weigh more but have more grip, what will the result be???

I know nothing about 3rd gens and the 305, I just hope your extra motor power is as easy to get.

MM-Differences between cmc/2 would be 17's, and upgraded brakes, and we run a different weight to power ratio. You can figure out the 17's or know what you need to run them. I wouldn't be surprised if the upgraded brakes gets thrown out. They did that for a durability issue with the heavier weight of the CMC2 cars. I don't know of anyone that has upgraded the brakes and if they are really needed. Since 2 will be allowed to come down in weight there will be less of a reason to upgrade brakes. Though there may be some mustangs with bigger brakes from the factory that are racing already??

I think its great that they are letting people know fairly far in advance of the proposed changes. Now its a matter of finding out what the spec parts packages will be to bring the hp up.
MM-you should PM Tony with that information as they probably have a database of stuff they are looking at to decide what to allow.

I ordered more restrictors yesterday and hope to dyno to get some new numbers for the upcoming seasons.

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Originally Posted by Alien

[edit]Guess I'm just more ticked at how short the time frame is... one year. I say one year even tho it's only July because I bet it takes awhile for the list of upgrades to come out to the masses. And for someone on a small budget who is just happy to be able to pay gas to GET to events, a year isn't much.[/edit]

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I am just giving you crap! Trust me, I see it the same way you do. What's going to be interesting is that "CMC" is just going to be AI lite with steel panels and no Aero... I would imagine in other regions, they are all going to look alike and probably run the same speeds.

As for going to NATS with a fresh motor....not here. Same one that went in the car in April of 07 and has seen TONS of track time. Hope it holds together!

I just hope NASA gets with Toyo and tells them to make a SHITLOAD more 275/40/17's because the AI boys so far ain't going to 18's... That's going to be a TON of cars running the same spec tire that goes low on stock mid year all the f'n time! Man I feel like broken record...

I don't understand why CMC and CMC2 can't remain seperate?

I don't buy the argument that the spectators can't tell them apart and its confusing argument. The spectators cant tell CMC and AI apart now. Oh wait - what spectators?

Leave them seperate, the later cars are different and should be classed different. CMC cars may eventually fade away by attrition and then the old CMC guys will build into the newer cars.

Long Live CMC!

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Originally Posted by AI#97

I am just giving you crap!

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You giving out crap?!? Say it ain't so! :D

Guess I'm just a guy. My girlfriend just cut her hair short and got highlights... It's all too much to take in for one week... I don't like change.

Rob, TKO is looking pretty good right about now, huh?

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Originally Posted by Alien

My girlfriend just cut her hair short and got highlights... It's all too much to take in for one week... I don't like change.

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Mine did the same thing!! I feel for ya brother!

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

I think it would be beneficial to see a list (ASAP) of changes for each platform.
If the Fox's, SN95's, and 3rd gens are going to be upping the power we would all greatly appreciate to know what to buy for this so we can be keeping our eyes open.

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No doubt. I've got a bone stock 305 sitting on an engine stand waiting to be put in my future CMC racer. I'd like to know what my options are as far as power upgrades so I can see what I'm getting in to.

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.... 17's weigh more but have more grip, what will the result be???

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From my experience, this is one of the things that bugs me the most about the changes. Many of you know I used to race ITS, and we could run a 7" rim and any tire you could squeeze onto it. Any race car is fun to drive, but it turned the cars into little grip buggies, waayyy over tired. Maybe the saving grace here will be the still spec Toyo.

One of the things that drew me in to CMC was the somewhat small spec tire. I like the fact that you need to have control on all the pedals and not treat them as simple on off switches. I dono, maybe I need to go look into rally instead....

*edit* I didn't mean for that last comment to sound like an "I'm outta here", it was just a comment to what I enjoy as a driver.

Jeff

This comes at a really bad time for me. My motor is in the shop right now getting freshened up and I just spent a bunch of money trying to keep my third gen as stock as possible. So basically I have to stop everything I'm doing right now except for body work........... :evil:

Damn!! and I just got started again :cry: