2009 Schedule

:lol: You guys are a riot. Just remember, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. Spock was right on. Race Control should run to the schedule. At the designated time the group gets sent out, regardless of who is missing.

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Originally Posted by MCain

Just popping in with the cake eater opinion. We should never hold grid for late arrivals. Anyone not in position at the 3 minute call needs to be held and released at the back of the pack. After cars are released we should hold late arrivals until the field has taken the checker and is past pit-out.

I know it's mean and it sucks when it happens to you, but cars should roll the second control says "release". That way all the good boys and girls get every second of time they can on track.

Grid has been a clusterfuck in the past at times, but has been getting much better. Now it is our responsibility as drivers to know our grid position and be in it early enough so the field can leave on time.

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The CCR's covers the situation of a late grid arrival:

2008.13 CCR's

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20.3.1 Pre-Grid (a.k.a. “false grid”)

Pre-Grid should be formed, as scheduled, prior to the race. Any driver failing to make it to Pre-Grid before the first car takes the track for the warm-up lap must start last of all the classes **. Formation of the Pre-Grid will be done in the area specified by the Race Director or Grid Marshal. The competitors are responsible to know their positions on Pre-Grid, and be in position on time.

** The competitor has the option of missing the warm up lap, in which case they may be released from the pit lane with their class, at the discretion of the Re-Entry Marshal, after the green flag has been displayed, or racing resumes. Under no circumstances, except
under direct order from the Race Director, will a late car be allowed to regain their positions.

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It's still up to the discretion of the Grid Marshal to decide when to hold a car/cars, and when to allow them to grid in their respective position.

From experience as a Race Director, folks who arrive within a few short minutes of the group being released (2-3 minutes) can really create some difficulty for the grid workers.

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

Would it be fair to punish the passenger after being a part of such an amazing driving exhibition? Dave Francis wouldn't think so!!!

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It would be if you were wearing that stupid cowboy outfit. Of course you would have been crying like a girl... I mean instructing from the rear passenger seat in that case.

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Originally Posted by The Love Machine AI27

What if you are out instructing in a POS car that you pray you will never have to ride in again, like.....a Camry? You become sickened with the lack of power, handling, and most importantly the nonexistent braking ability!

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POS? Dude, the scary part is the Camry may have actually been able to outbrake the 69 Camaro. The only time I got in the ABS was when I got a "little" deep during instructor Mostly's ride along. But nothing the Camry couldn't handle.

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Originally Posted by AllZWay

LOL...Great stuff... I too took a ride in the bad ass Camry....just prior to braking the Camry track record.

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Respect.

I'm gonna remember all this when you guys want to ride in this.

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Originally Posted by Fbody383

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Originally Posted by The Love Machine AI27

What if you are out instructing in a POS car that you pray you will never have to ride in again, like.....a Camry? You become sickened with the lack of power, handling, and most importantly the nonexistent braking ability!

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POS? Dude, the scary part is the Camry may have actually been able to outbrake the 69 Camaro. The only time I got in the ABS was when I got a "little" deep during instructor Mostly's ride along. But nothing the Camry couldn't handle.

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Originally Posted by AllZWay

LOL...Great stuff... I too took a ride in the bad ass Camry....just prior to braking the Camry track record.

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Respect.

I'm gonna remember all this when you guys want to ride in this.

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LOL... I completely understand... people pick on my neon all the time, untill they ride in it... respect is right...

I gave mad props to the Camry when David hit the brakes at the "2" going into T7 at ECR!! I thought we were going off but we actually made it by quite a few inches. :D

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

I gave mad props to the Camry when David hit the brakes at the "2" going into T7 at ECR!! I thought we were going off but we actually made it by quite a few inches. :D

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But he was only doing 30 or so ...

http://www.cadillac.com/09ctsv/

4200lbs :shock:

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

I gave mad props to the Camry when David hit the brakes at the "2" going into T7 at ECR!! I thought we were going off but we actually made it by quite a few inches. :D

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But he was only doing 30 or so ...

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It still felt really late. :shock:

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

I gave mad props to the Camry when David hit the brakes at the "2" going into T7 at ECR!! I thought we were going off but we actually made it by quite a few inches. :D

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But he was only doing 30 or so ...

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What I thought was impressive is that the silly thing would print 90-95 on the long back straight... didn't want to go off there, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Fbody383

What I thought was impressive is that the silly thing would print 90-95 on the long back straight... didn't want to go off there, that's for sure.

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Going up hill?!

I was nearing 6000 rpm in 4th before braking to turn left over the hill which is only about a 123-125... 90-95 in a camry...would be incredible considering your entry speed to the straight and lack of power/additional weight!