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I may have gotten my 5 and 8 confused there. The group with Kevin and his Corvette is good, the group with the chop-top Mazda, Bimmer with no tow hooks, point and shoot Viper, and rolling blockade Porsche 911 is no bueno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Liebbe
Sorry for my confusion - I've been installing a lawn sprinkler system over the holiday and may have sniffed a bit too much PVC glue. :shock: :lol: :?
ROFL, that's Kevin's Heroes: Group 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Liebbe
Sorry, Kmix, online therapy at its finest lol.
KMix,Quote:
Originally Posted by TEXAST1
I will only add this...
There are a handfull of G8 drivers that I feel fine with on track, maybe three or four. The others are almost what you described, "doing hot laps"... while we are racing, and racing for points and a championship I find myself on track with guys running hot laps.
example: Parking in the corner for three turns, then doing fine the same three turn on the next lap... as if testing or just open tracking. I have been passed by a car, then catch the same car a lap later, then pass him again... and not just racing, almost like they were taking a break for a few laps or something... same car twice in one weekend.
Bottom line, getting in the way of drivers trying to race. Maybe we need to have a talk with these guys, if they don't plan on racing all out or at least 9/10th for the full race, run in racecraft!
I don't mind the speed differentials.
That is all.
DD
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jb
Well, I will leave driver issues in G8 up to the Race director. It's our job to inform him of these issues with tech and driver abilities....then it's His/NASA TX to do something about it according to their judgement.
As for the silver BMW at Houston, that was an MSRH shop car out on rent best I could tell so shame on tech for allowing it on track. As for the chop top RX7...had it been painted, i am sure no body would have said a word till the driver made an error getting off track...I am sure non of us have ever done that?! :?
Casting stones is easy guys, viable solutions that keep this region in business so we have a place to race is what we need here. If we keep running out of cars, pretty soon we WILL be doing 8 hour enduros to keep the track hot and our entry fees will be $1000 weekend to pay the bills... :shock:
That mazda was a POS.
They cut the fender lips out with a blow torch and were left to rust all to sh!t.
Whoulda been a key indicator for me to look deeper into this "car".
If you have $305, and a pulse............
jb
I never took a close look at the car other than passing it on track....maybe tech didn't either?! :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffburch
Group 1 5
Group 2 15
Group 3 6
Group 4 0
Group 5 & 8 30
Group 6 & 7 26
Group 9 1
these are the car counts from MyLaps.com. i'm sure there is some error, but should be really close. not sure what group was HPDE 1-4 but w/ no lap times, it would be hard to tell from MyLaps. add to the info if you know it. my quess is G4 is HPDE 1/2, G1 is HPDE 3/4/Comp.
we have the largest race group w/ 5&8 combined. that weekend was a light weekend for CMC. i would think we would be seeing 15-20 @ every event in '07 w/ just CMC. we had 23 points collecting drivers in CMC for '06.
Wow! Looks like we only NEED 3 race groups! Wonder if we could increase DE counts and start doing a 1/2 group, a 3/4 group and a separate racecraft group that might have ride alongs with REAL racers out there with them giving check rides?!Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
Just a thought!
And Kevin, Mine won't be an AIX car....but WILL be faster if I get to keep it! :wink:
This group has the shortest memory span....
As a refresher....in '04, we ( Todd and I ) negotiated an agreement with NASA Texas - if we regularly brought 20+ cars in AIX/AI/CMC, we could get our own run group.
In '05, we continued to share with various other classes ( remember the Caterham/Birken of Pete Challinor, and the chrome fender I removed from another Caterham? ) since our car count wasn't @ 20+. At the last event of '05 ( MSR-C in Nov ), we'd gotten to the magic number ( right at 20, IIRC ) and NASA Texas stated for the '06 season, we'd have our own dedicated run group. There was a caveat - when needed, we'd help NASA and combine our group with others.
'06 was the first year we had our own dedicated run group. MSR-H in Feb of '06 was the first time we ran G5 separately, as well as the two MSR-C events in March and April.
At MSR-H in May, to help NASA get out of a time crunch/car deficit, we put G5 and G8 together. At Hallett in June, we were separate. TWS and MSR-H, we were grouped together.
To say we've been spoiled by running as our own run group for too long would be incorrect - we've done it for 4 of the 6 events in 2006, none in 2005, none in 2004, and none in 2003.
We've always been proponents of a separate run group for AIX/AI and CMC, and as a racer, I'd like to see that continue. To be perfectly honest, class/car grouping may be a deciding factor whether or not to attend an event for more than just one or two folks.
Ah...a sane voice above the din. As Clifton pointed out, we ( AIX/AI/CMC ) have no control over the groups, and who is in them. We also don't get to dictate what groups get eliminated - that is NASA Texas' responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waco Racer
Good luck with getting this group to learn patience, Clifton.Quote:
There are many things in the works for next year, try to think outside of Group 5. These things will reveal themselves in due time.
Kevin - some, not all, of the G8 drivers need to learn situational awareness. They don't realize who is around them, what class they are in, when to race someone, and when not to. AIX/AI and CMC are going for a season championship in a large group that is HIGHLY competitive - and they need to recognize that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEXAST1
We did grids based solely on qual times and finishing order for nearly 3 years, but that changed after the March '06 double-yellow debacle with some saying it was "unsafe" and "cars should grid by class only".Quote:
While were are talking here, I don't like split starts. What is the point. For me all that happens is I catch up to yous guys faster. I would like to grid where we qualify.
Run G5 only.
Run G5 and G8 together.
Split starts.
No split starts.
Flip.
Flop.
Flip.
Flop.
Flip.
Flop.
Consistency is key. Why not work with our Series Director to solidify what our wishes are so that he can take them NASA Texas??? Follow the chain of command...don't circumvent it as in the past.