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07-09-2008, 07:10 PM
Rsmith350

re-post from national site

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT4Point6

No not really, run what you got through 09. This takes affect in 2010. You got a year and a half.

With all due respect sir...that is not my point.

http://www.aicmctexas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2083

please read this post keeping in mind that as we speak my motor is in the machine shop and would have been finished this next week if I had not called him and told him to STOP EVERYTHING! I now have no direction in which to go drivetrain wise. My plan was to get it running and try to make the rest of the season and use the off time to get it TOTALLY ready for 09'.

I am that 1% that this rules change affects the most.

If you would please tell me what I should do now?
Not only are my plans for track time shot but now I have to wait for details on a rule change before I can proceed ANY further.

I really would appreciate an honest answer from any and all race directors considering my "halfway" point situation.

Side note...we've already had problems with T5's grenading.....what happens when we add more horsies???
07-09-2008, 07:34 PM
AI#97

At least you guys get to debate a rules change....in AI it's "hey, we are making it even MORE expensive to run at the front in AI....and you're welcome!" LOL!!!
07-09-2008, 07:35 PM
jeffburch

Ross, call me asap!
469-831-8693
jb
07-09-2008, 08:06 PM
donovan

This make me want to sell my AI car and build up one of the two FOX Mustang Coupes I have for CMC...

:( not really!
07-09-2008, 09:06 PM
NickV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rsmith350

please read this post keeping in mind that as we speak my motor is in the machine shop and would have been finished this next week if I had not called him and told him to STOP EVERYTHING! I now have no direction in which to go drivetrain wise. My plan was to get it running and try to make the rest of the season and use the off time to get it TOTALLY ready for 09'.

I am that 1% that this rules change affects the most.

I'm right there with ya. I'm working towards going CMC with my 3rd gen and I've got a bone stock 305 waiting to go in. I had plans to drop it in relatively soon, and now, it's just going to sit until I hear what the "plans" are for us. I really need to know what I'm getting in to.
07-10-2008, 09:05 AM
Rob Liebbe

I typically don't read the national CamaroMutsangChallenge.com forum. However, I have been somewhat "vocal" over there recently about the CMC and CMC2 issue. If you don't follow that forum and care about this issue you should start watching it over there, as well as here.

My most recent post.....

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It is about supporting those who make up the field. It is about supporting all of them. It is about supporting those who made decisions in the past, those who are making decisions in the present, and those who are making decisions in the future. This can easily be accomplished by leaving the two CMC's separate. Will the older cars start to fade away as time goes by, probably. Will the newer cars continue to increase, probably. But to come along and say that your older car will someday no longer be around so we are going to go ahead and alienate you right now is a mistake. Go ahead, make those of us who have spent our time and money specifically building cars to run in NASA's CMC class mad. How does that make the customer happy? How does that make for a congruent group come race day? How does that positively affect car count?

It is true that I don't like change. I especially don't like change for change's sake. I need a good reason, which I have not yet seen. All I have heard from the directors is that "it will be good for the series", come on have some Kool-Aid. Seems like there are others here who agree and we are waiting for the explanation from up high.

I still don't see the problem with two CMC classes as it allows the support of all involved.

Rob - "If it ain't broke - don't fix it" - Liebbe
CMC #1 - Outrunning the CMC2 cars in Texas

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I do, in fact, feel strongly about this issue.
07-10-2008, 10:07 AM
AI#97

Rob, the same shit is happening in AI....they want more challengers, GTO's and Caddy's in the series so they up the ante for those of us that have 10's of thousands of dollars in our builds to upgrade to new stuff so those cars can get homologated into AI...it's a crock and a bunch of backassward thinking. It's also a sign of them struggling to get NEW racers into the series that might have to learn how to build a race car to an existing rules set because they never built one before. So as you have new racers show up with easy new tech, you force out the guys who got you here with their "outdated" equipment and don't want to pay to move forward with older cars not being supported by the aftermarket. I am still looking for a bolt on set of triple adjustable reservoir shocks for a 99+ but have yet to find anything short of "custom" and EXPENSIVE. S197 cars have 4 manufacturers with "kits" to bolt right on. :roll:

I think NASA in general is getting out of focus from Grassroots and thinking we have BIG money like what we see on TV to go out and build new cars every 3 or 4 years...well, we don't. On the flip side, do you see spec miata trying to homologate the new MX-5 in and changing the rules...FUCK NO!! I am starting to think we have the wrong guys in the driver seat on the "steering committee"... They are FAR too out of touch with their core CUSTOMERS.
07-10-2008, 10:56 AM
michaelmosty

I'd rethink your comment on that Matt!! :shock: I bet most of us have no clue how much time and thought they put into stuff like this. Without their help we wouldn't have a place to race our cars.

We are the ones that have it easy by being able to just drive to the track and race!!
07-10-2008, 12:06 PM
Al Fernandez

Come on MFW, the new miata just came out. Do you see SM homologating a miata that's been out for five years? Fuck Yes! S197s have been around for quite a while, never mind LS1 cars. As to having the wrong guys on the steering committee...well thats almost as subjective as asking if Ford is better than Chevy :lol:
07-10-2008, 12:22 PM
Alien

I'm confuse now...

Is the proposed 17" rule for 2010 to go up to a 275?

MFW says -2 allows the 275s right now but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Current 2008 rules

8.34. Wheels/Tires
8.34.2. Maximum wheel size is 16”x8” for CMC and 17”x9.5” for CMC-2.
8.34.3. Maximum tire size is 255/50R16 for CMC and 255/40R17 for CMC-2. The only tire brand
and model allowed is the Toyo Proxes RA-1.

Sorry, I've not been keeping up wik -2 rules until now.

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