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Originally Posted by AllZWay

Boudy pretty much has covered my thoughts exactly and I'll add a little more of my thoughts to it.

I have no problem with more tech... but I don't want it while I am hot still in my driver suit. Do it before the race or after I get to the pits and my suit is off. I also have no desire to turn wrenches on race weekend.

This is supposed to be for FUN racing... NONE of us are on a fast track to bigger and better racing. Jack Roush, Gannsi...etc... are not scouting our events for their next great talent. I often tell people I am off on a fantasy weekend and enjoy the escape from the real world, but I have NO visions of gandeur...this is just for personal fun.

And folks....since this is just for fun.... I would suggest that when the fun ends....it is time to find a new avenue for fun. JMHO

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Thanks to my fellow Renoite for that summation. I just finished reading this entire thread and like Rob, my head hurts. James sums it up beautifully! Most of the guys (and girls) that we race with understand the concept of competition on an amateur level. The camaraderie of the group and the fun of the sport in general is what draws me into this series. I've said before that I considered many venues before I landed in this sandbox... SCCA: way too full of itself in W2W events (you never see the friendships in the pits at an SCCA event). This is my Walter Mitty weekend escape from the grind that I use to pay for it. I think about the amount of money that I spend on this HOBBY and never once have I regretted the cash outlay (a lot of you know that I have WAY too many expensive hobbies). I derive too much enjoyment from this to let the ones that are too serious drag me into a debate that goes nowhere. I'll just comment on one item... the guys that are stepping up to the plate and devoting a LOT of their time (even if they are comp'd a paltry amount) are doing a sometimes thankless job. I would challenge those that are unhappy with things the way they are to start devoting more time to constructive assistance (not just the writtten word but action behind the words). I can see how James feels about it not being worth instructing if some compensation wasn't involved. I instruct with TWS and just dividing my time between two students and running my street car during the instructor sessions is hard work. I can't imagine doing that on a race weekend.

While some of you pound away mindlessly on your keyboards exposing your weaknesses, I am in my garage, getting stronger.

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Originally Posted by Boudy

And just about the time I was recovering from reading the $400 thread... Quite frankly, that thread is filled with pretty much the same BS and rhetoric as this one.

I will comment here to keep it from being assumed that others are speaking for me. I joined NASA and this series because SCCA takes themselves WAAAAYY too seriously for my taste. With that said, there are some here who are probably better suited to compete someplace else.

Here are a few points from my perspective:

I support the manner is which the CMC rules set has been enforced in the Texas region regarding allowing non-compliant cars to race under special circumstances. Fix-It Tickets serve one purpose and one purpose only, every single one of them adds to car count. Also, I believe the position points argument to be irrelevant in an 18 car field.

I support stepped up Tech inspections. Tech is welcome to inspect anything on my car they may so chose to. However, if I have to remove a single bolt then I'll probably take a DQ. Personal choice as I hate working on my car at the track, period.

I support the points made by Mosty and Richard in regards to NASA being compared to LeMons. 2 different business models for 2 different markets.

I support the idea that some minor changes could improve our events.

I thank past and present management along with fellow competitors who worked to build our car count to what is today. Amazing!!!



Boudy

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I'm glad you took the time to comment Robert.
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Boudy

.......... I joined NASA and this series because SCCA takes themselves WAAAAYY too seriously for my taste. With that said, there are some here who are probably better suited to compete someplace else.

Here are a few points from my perspective:

I support the manner is which the CMC rules set has been enforced in the Texas region regarding allowing non-compliant cars to race under special circumstances. Fix-It Tickets serve one purpose and one purpose only, every single one of them adds to car count. Also, I believe the position points argument to be irrelevant in an 18 car field.

I support stepped up Tech inspections. Tech is welcome to inspect anything on my car they may so chose to. However, if I have to remove a single bolt then I'll probably take a DQ. Personal choice as I hate working on my car at the track, period.

I support the points made by Mosty and Richard in regards to NASA being compared to LeMons. 2 different business models for 2 different markets.

I support the idea that some minor changes could improve our events.

I thank past and present management along with fellow competitors who worked to build our car count to what is today. Amazing!!!



Boudy

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Boudy pretty much has covered my thoughts exactly and I'll add a little more of my thoughts to it.

I have no problem with more tech... but I don't want it while I am hot still in my driver suit. Do it before the race or after I get to the pits and my suit is off. I also have no desire to turn wrenches on race weekend.

This is supposed to be for FUN racing... NONE of us are on a fast track to bigger and better racing. Jack Roush, Gannsi...etc... are not scouting our events for their next great talent. I often tell people I am off on a fantasy weekend and enjoy the escape from the real world, but I have NO visions of gandeur...this is just for personal fun.

And folks....since this is just for fun.... I would suggest that when the fun ends....it is time to find a new avenue for fun. JMHO

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I'm with James and Boudy on all this. While I hope you all stay and race with us maybe a few of you should hit the fucking road! Why would you stay and race in such a screwed up series? By the way I'm sure Team Jordan got third place in CMC-2 points because of my home made wiper cowl. It was wrong and I should have changed it but a new one from Ford was $89.00 or some shit like that and I thought the idea of CMC racing was NOT to spend money for no reason. I also had no problem with the wiper cowl on the 22. I can't see anyone else in CMC2 having an issue with it. The 22 will outrun me most of the time (except in the rain) and I don't want him throwing away $100.00 for a stock cowl. It will not matter!
No series will ever be perfect. I am sick as hell about the price going up but I'm not quitting. We have lost racers and will continue to do so in the future no matter who is in charge. Wayne is gone because he says he told NASA to reign in Corey (and nothing was done) then when he got hit he went ballistic. Skip is still so mad he told me last week that he would KILL Marshall if he ever sees him again. Richard has quit racing. I still do not understand but I'm sure he has valid (to him) reasons. As much as I wish all of these people (and Matt) were still going to race with us we can't please everyone! All we can do is try to make things as good as possible for WEEKEND RACERS. Some will take their ball and go home no matter what the rules are.

JJ


JJ, the new one. Don't mind all this crap. Come race with us and have the most fun you can have with your clothes on. These are good guys at the track and off the web.

Jerry
CMC2 #55

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I'm sure Team Jordan got third place in CMC-2 points because of my home made wiper cowl. It was wrong and I should have changed it but a new one from Ford was $89.00.

I don't want him throwing away $100.00 for a stock cowl. It will not matter!

As much as I wish all of these people (and Matt) were still going to race with us we can't please everyone! All we can do is try to make things as good as possible for WEEKEND RACERS. Some will take their ball and go home no matter what the rules are.


Jerry
CMC2 #55

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Jerry... One of my issues relates to running at Nationals. You would have been DQed and lost every penny you spent to get there, way more than $100. And if you would have argued that it wasn't performance related, you would have lost the arguement.

I was caught up on the "Nationals" wave and I know VERY few Texas racers plan to attend the championships , but if they go with an illegal car there is going to be a problem... ask Kellam about getting caught with something that would have been allowed within the region...

How many of you have had your ride height checked over the last 2 years?

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Originally Posted by ShadowBolt

I'm sure Team Jordan got third place in CMC-2 points because of my home made wiper cowl. It was wrong and I should have changed it but a new one from Ford was $89.00.

I don't want him throwing away $100.00 for a stock cowl. It will not matter!

As much as I wish all of these people (and Matt) were still going to race with us we can't please everyone! All we can do is try to make things as good as possible for WEEKEND RACERS. Some will take their ball and go home no matter what the rules are.


Jerry
CMC2 #55

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Jerry... One of my issues relates to running at Nationals. You would have been DQed and lost every penny you spent to get there, way more than $100. And if you would have argued that it wasn't performance related, you would have lost the arguement.

I was caught up on the "Nationals" wave and I know VERY few Texas racers plan to attend the championships , but if they go with an illegal car there is going to be a problem... ask Kellam about getting caught with something that would have been allowed within the region...

How many of you have had your ride height checked over the last 2 years?

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Point taken.


JJ

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If I were a new racer reading this, I might consider walking and look for something else.

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As a wannabe racer, I get the feeling there is a fair amount of animosity and discontent among several of the guys here. This doesn't paint a real pretty picture, but I'm not ready to build up an A-Sedan car instead of CMC because of it.

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There you go, proving Mitch right about the inter-web arguing and having enough chutzpah to get involved anyway.

JJ, you're right that we don't always appear to be in sync. But speaking as a second year guy, this is a GREAT group of guys and a FANTASTIC group of racers.

What you don't see and/or hear are the other 10-15 guys (and a couple hot shoe chicks) that are reserved just enough to not have to express themselves here.

Jerry: You should have gotten a Fix-It Ticket and allowed to run that event only. Besides that cowl cover was so gay I felt all warm when I saw it. :oops:

This is the type of things that lack the consistancy that Matt is talking about. Fix-It Tickets are fine with most of us but they do need to be enforced consistantly. Also, if this is enforced consistantly then every racer knows where he stands and will be well aware when he travels to Nats or another region.

Boudy

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Originally Posted by Boudy

.......... I joined NASA and this series because SCCA takes themselves WAAAAYY too seriously for my taste. With that said, there are some here who are probably better suited to compete someplace else.

Here are a few points from my perspective:

I support the manner is which the CMC rules set has been enforced in the Texas region regarding allowing non-compliant cars to race under special circumstances. Fix-It Tickets serve one purpose and one purpose only, every single one of them adds to car count. Also, I believe the position points argument to be irrelevant in an 18 car field.

I support stepped up Tech inspections. Tech is welcome to inspect anything on my car they may so chose to. However, if I have to remove a single bolt then I'll probably take a DQ. Personal choice as I hate working on my car at the track, period.

I support the points made by Mosty and Richard in regards to NASA being compared to LeMons. 2 different business models for 2 different markets.

I support the idea that some minor changes could improve our events.

I thank past and present management along with fellow competitors who worked to build our car count to what is today. Amazing!!!



Boudy

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Boudy pretty much has covered my thoughts exactly and I'll add a little more of my thoughts to it.

I have no problem with more tech... but I don't want it while I am hot still in my driver suit. Do it before the race or after I get to the pits and my suit is off. I also have no desire to turn wrenches on race weekend.

This is supposed to be for FUN racing... NONE of us are on a fast track to bigger and better racing. Jack Roush, Gannsi...etc... are not scouting our events for their next great talent. I often tell people I am off on a fantasy weekend and enjoy the escape from the real world, but I have NO visions of gandeur...this is just for personal fun.

And folks....since this is just for fun.... I would suggest that when the fun ends....it is time to find a new avenue for fun. JMHO

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I'm with James and Boudy on all this. While I hope you all stay and race with us maybe a few of you should hit the fucking road! Why would you stay and race in such a screwed up series? By the way I'm sure Team Jordan got third place in CMC-2 points because of my home made wiper cowl. It was wrong and I should have changed it but a new one from Ford was $89.00 or some shit like that and I thought the idea of CMC racing was NOT to spend money for no reason. I also had no problem with the wiper cowl on the 22. I can't see anyone else in CMC2 having an issue with it. The 22 will outrun me most of the time (except in the rain) and I don't want him throwing away $100.00 for a stock cowl. It will not matter!
No series will ever be perfect. I am sick as hell about the price going up but I'm not quitting. We have lost racers and will continue to do so in the future no matter who is in charge. Wayne is gone because he says he told NASA to reign in Corey (and nothing was done) then when he got hit he went ballistic. Skip is still so mad he told me last week that he would KILL Marshall if he ever sees him again. Richard has quit racing. I still do not understand but I'm sure he has valid (to him) reasons. As much as I wish all of these people (and Matt) were still going to race with us we can't please everyone! All we can do is try to make things as good as possible for WEEKEND RACERS. Some will take their ball and go home no matter what the rules are.

JJ


JJ, the new one. Don't mind all this crap. Come race with us and have the most fun you can have with your clothes on. These are good guys at the track and off the web.

Jerry
CMC2 #55

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JJ,
for the over 50 crowd, it may be the most fun with or wothout clothes. 8)

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Originally Posted by AllZWay

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Originally Posted by Boudy

.......... I joined NASA and this series because SCCA takes themselves WAAAAYY too seriously for my taste. With that said, there are some here who are probably better suited to compete someplace else.

Here are a few points from my perspective:

I support the manner is which the CMC rules set has been enforced in the Texas region regarding allowing non-compliant cars to race under special circumstances. Fix-It Tickets serve one purpose and one purpose only, every single one of them adds to car count. Also, I believe the position points argument to be irrelevant in an 18 car field.

I support stepped up Tech inspections. Tech is welcome to inspect anything on my car they may so chose to. However, if I have to remove a single bolt then I'll probably take a DQ. Personal choice as I hate working on my car at the track, period.

I support the points made by Mosty and Richard in regards to NASA being compared to LeMons. 2 different business models for 2 different markets.

I support the idea that some minor changes could improve our events.

I thank past and present management along with fellow competitors who worked to build our car count to what is today. Amazing!!!



Boudy

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Boudy pretty much has covered my thoughts exactly and I'll add a little more of my thoughts to it.

I have no problem with more tech... but I don't want it while I am hot still in my driver suit. Do it before the race or after I get to the pits and my suit is off. I also have no desire to turn wrenches on race weekend.

This is supposed to be for FUN racing... NONE of us are on a fast track to bigger and better racing. Jack Roush, Gannsi...etc... are not scouting our events for their next great talent. I often tell people I am off on a fantasy weekend and enjoy the escape from the real world, but I have NO visions of gandeur...this is just for personal fun.

And folks....since this is just for fun.... I would suggest that when the fun ends....it is time to find a new avenue for fun. JMHO

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I'm with James and Boudy on all this. While I hope you all stay and race with us maybe a few of you should hit the fucking road! Why would you stay and race in such a screwed up series? By the way I'm sure Team Jordan got third place in CMC-2 points because of my home made wiper cowl. It was wrong and I should have changed it but a new one from Ford was $89.00 or some shit like that and I thought the idea of CMC racing was NOT to spend money for no reason. I also had no problem with the wiper cowl on the 22. I can't see anyone else in CMC2 having an issue with it. The 22 will outrun me most of the time (except in the rain) and I don't want him throwing away $100.00 for a stock cowl. It will not matter!
No series will ever be perfect. I am sick as hell about the price going up but I'm not quitting. We have lost racers and will continue to do so in the future no matter who is in charge. Wayne is gone because he says he told NASA to reign in Corey (and nothing was done) then when he got hit he went ballistic. Skip is still so mad he told me last week that he would KILL Marshall if he ever sees him again. Richard has quit racing. I still do not understand but I'm sure he has valid (to him) reasons. As much as I wish all of these people (and Matt) were still going to race with us we can't please everyone! All we can do is try to make things as good as possible for WEEKEND RACERS. Some will take their ball and go home no matter what the rules are.

JJ


JJ, the new one. Don't mind all this crap. Come race with us and have the most fun you can have with your clothes on. These are good guys at the track and off the web.

Jerry
CMC2 #55

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JJ,
for the over 50 crowd, it may be the most fun with or wothout clothes. 8)

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You may be that old but I'm not.

JJ