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09-20-2010, 04:11 PM
Adam Ginsberg

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Al issued many, many, many fix it tickets to the CMC field at this event. And in fact the person who I'm told got the most is a car you crowned SoCal CMC Champ and who you feel should now be CMC National Champ.

I'll say it again - you need to get your facts straight. Especially since you didn't attend this year. So, realistically, you should keep out of this, since you did not witness a single thing at the 2010 Nats.

There may have been many, many fix it tickets issued at this year's Nats (your words), but we (the racers) didn't know about them, as they were not discussed in the driver's meeting.

My car did not receive a single "fix it ticket" at the 2010 Nationals, so I'm at a loss to understand why you are saying otherwise.

How you come to the conclusion that my car should be National Champ is completely beyond me - not once did I say that, anywhere.

You, Al and Todd are very adept at trying to turn this around and point the finger at the person calling them out for the mistake. Stop twisting this around - Al made a significant mistake, and he refuses to admit it.

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So, just as ES's regional director allowed him to run this way or just flat never pointed it out, is no different than how one of your own regional guys has similar issues. Your on Al's ass for not DQ'ing a guy, but you didn’t follow your own advice w/in your own region to those you crown CMC Champ.

Where you come up with this shit is beyond me - I didn't say anything about Erik's regional director not catching stuff on his car, so remove that from the argument. JK's car was found with illegal chassis stiffening - that means it was missed in TX for 2 or so years. So what? It was found at the Nats - enough said.

A CA AI driver was found with 10" wide wheels - I haven't caught that all year either. So what? It was found at the Nats - enough said.

The key here is.....this is the NATIONALS.

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As for your legality..... semantics. Your right, your wheels didn’t stick out past YOUR fenders, but they would have stuck out past an OEM fender. You are correct that 2 4th gens there had 3rd gen wheels w/ similar wheel/fender issues. All were afforded the option of staying and racing w/ what they have.

Yes, they were. And you're proving my point yet again - ALL the driver's were notified. Not so at this years event.

I didn't finish the damn race due to a mechanical failure - I finished DFL. I'm not saying I should be the National Champ - don't muddy the waters with inconsequential junk.

Additionally, how should I be DQ'd from the Championship race? Because I didn't go to tech while being towed in?? Fair enough - I'll take the DQ because it doesn't mean anything.

Crowning a CMC champ with lexan windows should not happen, plain and simple.

Let me be clear yet again - the car crowned the National Champ had lexan windows. By Al's own admission, he knew about it on Wednesday. Not a single other driver was notified about this very blatant rules violation. It looks poorly on the class.

I'm going back to work.....
09-20-2010, 04:30 PM
mitchntx

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09-20-2010, 04:31 PM
K Shaw

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by K Shaw

Every one should be worried about me coming to texas and building a new car. :P

Bring it big boy. Got a new one in the works myself.

:mrgreen:
09-20-2010, 04:32 PM
K Shaw

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by K Shaw

Every one should be worried about me coming to texas and building a new car. :P

Bring it big boy. Got a new one in the works myself.

I predict you'll have contact just loading it on the trailer.

I predict contact with the wife when I UNLOAD it from the trailer.
09-20-2010, 05:13 PM
nasa-rm

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Originally Posted by K Shaw

Every one should be worried about me coming to texas and building a new car. :P

Revkah and I discussed moving to Texas this AM.....
09-20-2010, 05:22 PM
nasa-rm

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Had DB been DQ'ed in a qual race, he would have been afforded the same option of resolving the infraction. There is also the ability to have all racers involved agree or disagree to allow.

If I could go back and do it again, I would LOVE to be DQ'ed in the qual race.

I was impounded once over the first 2 days, weight and my car was checked for safety items and what appeared to be chassis stiffening (they looked at the subframe rails. Wish the other item was found I would have taken that sucker out quick.

Last thing in the world is for me to be labeled a cheater (esp as a regional director). More importantly, how does this make Maximum Motorsports (strut tower bar) and my primary sponsor Hanksville (who built my cage) look? This is what I am more embarrassed about :oops:.
09-20-2010, 05:30 PM
mitchntx

You know Dave ... you are a class act.

Not so much worried about yourself as you are those around you.

Refreshing ... makes me want to move to RMR ...
09-20-2010, 05:34 PM
K Shaw

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Originally Posted by nasa-rm

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Originally Posted by K Shaw

Every one should be worried about me coming to texas and building a new car. :P

Revkah and I discussed moving to Texas this AM.....

so far I love it. But I think i may have brought a brunch of rain with me.

Austin is fun and north Austin around the roundrock Georgetown area is nice. Oh and cheaper than Denver. Oh and I gave all of my snow removal tools away.
09-20-2010, 05:35 PM
K Shaw

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Originally Posted by nasa-rm

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Had DB been DQ'ed in a qual race, he would have been afforded the same option of resolving the infraction. There is also the ability to have all racers involved agree or disagree to allow.

If I could go back and do it again, I would LOVE to be DQ'ed in the qual race.

I was impounded once over the first 2 days, weight and my car was checked for safety items and what appeared to be chassis stiffening (they looked at the subframe rails. Wish the other item was found I would have taken that sucker out quick.

Last thing in the world is for me to be labeled a cheater (esp as a regional director). More importantly, how does this make Maximum Motorsports (strut tower bar) and my primary sponsor Hanksville (who built my cage) look? This is what I am more embarrassed about :oops:.

Rich was asking me about the STB and I told him I didnt think there was anything weird about it.
09-20-2010, 05:50 PM
GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Al issued many, many, many fix it tickets to the CMC field at this event. And in fact the person who I'm told got the most is a car you crowned SoCal CMC Champ and who you feel should now be CMC National Champ.

I'll say it again - you need to get your facts straight. Especially since you didn't attend this year. So, realistically, you should keep out of this, since you did not witness a single thing at the 2010 Nats.

Your right, I wasnt there. I did however spend alot of time on the phone w/ Al over the last few days. Your were specifically mentioned as having a fix it ticket. My facts are straight, as they were presented to me.
As for not being present, thats never stopped your involvment in any way.

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

There may have been many, many fix it tickets issued at this year's Nats (your words), but we (the racers) didn't know about them, as they were not discussed in the driver's meeting.

My car did not receive a single "fix it ticket" at the 2010 Nationals, so I'm at a loss to understand why you are saying otherwise.

Because Al told me so today. But lets redirect back to Don's car. Care to respond to that?

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

How you come to the conclusion that my car should be National Champ is completely beyond me - not once did I say that, anywhere.[/qoute]
Nor did I.

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

You, Al and Todd are very adept at trying to turn this around and point the finger at the person calling them out for the mistake. Stop twisting this around - Al made a significant mistake, and he refuses to admit it.

I dont see it as a mistake. But rather a decition he made that likely differs from mine or yours. Its his to make. You are in no greater position to say he is wrong than I am to say he's not. You say I'm turing it around on you, but really I'm just offering a counter POV.

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So, just as ES's regional director allowed him to run this way or just flat never pointed it out, is no different than how one of your own regional guys has similar issues. Your on Al's ass for not DQ'ing a guy, but you didn’t follow your own advice w/in your own region to those you crown CMC Champ.

Where you come up with this shit is beyond me - I didn't say anything about Erik's regional director not catching stuff on his car, so remove that from the argument. JK's car was found with illegal chassis stiffening - that means it was missed in TX for 2 or so years. So what? It was found at the Nats - enough said.

A CA AI driver was found with 10" wide wheels - I haven't caught that all year either. So what? It was found at the Nats - enough said.

The key here is.....this is the NATIONALS.

So I expect you will be calling for a DQ on Don as well, right? Fair is fair. He was allowed to run in a manner less than 100% legal.

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As for your legality..... semantics. Your right, your wheels didn’t stick out past YOUR fenders, but they would have stuck out past an OEM fender. You are correct that 2 4th gens there had 3rd gen wheels w/ similar wheel/fender issues. All were afforded the option of staying and racing w/ what they have.

Yes, they were. And you're proving my point yet again - ALL the driver's were notified. Not so at this years event.[/quote]
I guess you think that is a right you have. Sorry to inform you, but it is not. Al makes that call.

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

I didn't finish the damn race due to a mechanical failure - I finished DFL. I'm not saying I should be the National Champ - don't muddy the waters with inconsequential junk.

I dont think you should be, never said it. But reporting to impound was required to maintain a legal status. You did not, but was given a place above Rob and Dave, not DFL.

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

Additionally, how should I be DQ'd from the Championship race? Because I didn't go to tech while being towed in?? Fair enough - I'll take the DQ because it doesn't mean anything.

Crowning a CMC champ with lexan windows should not happen, plain and simple.

Ya know, my car has had non-OEM window tint on it since the day it was built. Should I send back my National Champ awards?

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Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg

Let me be clear yet again - the car crowned the National Champ had lexan windows. By Al's own admission, he knew about it on Wednesday. Not a single other driver was notified about this very blatant rules violation. It looks poorly on the class.

I'm going back to work.....

I think your expecting a level of involvment that is not obligated to you in any way. Al has that right. Its his show. Deal w/ it.
I would side w/ you more if this was discovered post qual race. Even more so if it was a tech item.
Your being a poor sport at this point.

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