Big Congrats to "DaMan". Hard work, blood, sweat, and tears do pay off in the end.
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Big Congrats to "DaMan". Hard work, blood, sweat, and tears do pay off in the end.
Are you sure there isn't a mis-read here...? I had fun talking to Dave during the weekend and even had some good clean racing with him on Sunday....seemed like a Great guy?!Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I don't know who or where you got your information from Mitch, but you have it all wrong. Since you weren't there, please refrain from posting information you don't know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
There was little to no drama all weekend, right until the end of the National race. One of the folks doing the most shouting after the race bears the most responsibility.
It was a fantastic event. Group A was, without a doubt, the best group of racers with the fewest on-track incidents. Only 1 penalty was handed out for a driving infraction (on Sunday), and there was not a single bent car, even with the lousy weather (Group A always seemed to get rained on the most).
Everyone got along very well. Yes, there were some heated words in the tech shed after Sunday's race, but we kept a lid on it.
Hell, it was a National event afterall!
I guess our definitions of drama are quite different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
Given the fact you weren't there, it's impossible for you to define "drama" at this event.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
How is this legal and where did it get updated? I was looking for legal wings earlier, and when I saw this blow by at Mid-Ohio I couldn't believe it was legal..Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffburch
I don't see it updated in the tech bulletins either?? :shock:Quote:
Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground. Excluding endplates, the spoiler shall not be any taller than 11” from the deck of the car.
BUT if these are legal, who makes them? ;)
A company that makes them for AI cars.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingAardvark
I don't see any way that these wings are legal, they clearly are against:
8.5.4. Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground.
????
the problem is w/ the wording. most folks looked at the intent and the known understanding of the word and built around that.
the rule as written says "overall outline". in that sence it includes the widest part of the car - most often the side mirrors. i have been assured this loophole will be fixed and and these wings will not be legal next year. the intent was the widest part of the car under the wing when viewed from above.
the fuel issue will be resolved too. expect pumps found at race tracks to be excluded from this "pump gas" definition. my guess is 94 will be the highest legal octain.
Let me explain the "wing-thing".
The 2008 CMC rules state:
The key words are "overall outline of the body". Granted, it does say "when viewed from above". IMO, they are outside the "spirit and intent" of CMC, but the wording doesn't really support that.....and I did not want to go down a "subjective" path at the Nats.Quote:
8.5.4. Any rear spoiler (rear wing) may be used. The rear spoiler shall not protrude beyond the overall outline of the body when viewed from above perpendicular to the ground. Excluding endplates, the spoiler shall not be any taller than 11” from the deck of the car. The spoiler must fit securely with minimum modifications to the body and not significantly obstruct the driver's vision.
As such, the interpretation was total overall outline of the body - including the back fenders. After some discussions at the Nats, they were deemed legal, but you can expect a rewrite in 2009.