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It sounds interesting, but I think it could lead to bigger problems.
I have personally talked to all that have had minor contact with me and I have no problems with our resolution.
I think relationship problems would begin to occur under the above rules.
I thought you guys were already using this system all along because it was in the CCR's...? Guess since I have never had any car to car contact, I haven't a clue what you guys do in an IRB....? I like the idea of the system but it does seem a little like the "scarlet letter".
I think we do a pretty good job policing ourselves and given the fact those who regularly race in this series respect one another enough to do right by the other driver if there is contact. I think it just piles on some un-necessary pressure.
What I might suggest is that the directors continue to use the current system we all know and accept, then keep notes for trends in contact and address them on a one to one basis maybe during the evening at an event, or offline. There is no reason to call one of us out in front of the group and embarrass them. I think EVERYONE in this group is Man enough and has the right attitude to take constructive criticism from our directors if they see fit to make that call of "let's talk"....
My fear is you will spend more time in IRB's dealing with specific cases when in actuality, you could do the one on one during the current IRB for the contact in the post decision de-briefing.
eh, just rambling on here with random thoughts.... :lol:
point taken guys. we will move on.
thanks for the input.
You guys are overworking this.
The CCR is in place...the mechanism is already there.
Just because we don't keep a running tally and publish the "penalty points standings" every month doesn't necessarily mean it isn't being used.
Drivers have been suspended from NASA for contact.
Drivers have been DQ'd for contact.
Drivers have been repositioned for contact.
Drivers have been placed on probation for incidents.
Drivers have been involved in racing incidents deemed as "unavoidable contact".
Every circumstance is different and you can't put everyone in the "contact bucket" and expect the same result/determination. All the above situations were reviewed by an official who determined that there was a prudent consequence for the actions. Just because someone doesn't agree with the decisions made doesn't mean that decisions weren't made. Racers have a choice to either accept the decision or appeal the decision...and (hate to say it but) in the end, the official (at whatever level) will have the final say as to what the consequence will be for body contact, not the racer.
This year I've been harping on all the series directors to use the logbook more liberally and notate activity/infractions more. If contact of ANY kind occurs series directors should be noting logbooks with a brief description.
Multiple-contact drivers get real popular real fast and all it takes is some basic math and a quick glance back at the logbook to see if someone has been involved in a high number of contacts (or is in danger of exceeding the magic 10). This also helps cross-regional policing as well because every logbook is reviewed/signed at each event by a series/race director. (Hint- If your logbook has contact noted for every event you go to, the official signing your logbook will likely take note and be watching you closely.)
So...we may have to play with toy cars again at all driver meetings until folks truly understand the rules of the road. :wink: The more times we hear it, the better we'll all understand that contact and unsportsmanlike conduct is not welcome at NASA.
...but please no more "new rules" guys....we have plenty already. :lol:
-=- Todd
Mitch , you also bumped me in post race tech while I was waiting to get weighed. Add that in.
Was this the additional "post-race incident" that Clifton was on a tear about?! How embarrassing to have "out of class" contact... :oops: :wink: :lol:Quote:
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it was Spec Miata post race "paybacks".
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jb
Just curious, was oberndorfer sp? involved in that? Been hearing a lot of rumors that he was going to be taken out because of the repeated carnage he had been intentionally causing. I feel we have a support structure in place to prevent that from ever even coming close to happening within this group. Does SM not have that luxury?Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70