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Class merging is problematic from both points of view.
Flawed concept from the start.
Trying to get both to somewhere in the middle.
These new guys coming in with modern cars are thinking "what? restrict down to run with these old cluckers?"
The old 5 liter cars are thinking "the best any L98 could do on a good day was 245bhp to the rear wheels in the C4"
Detrimental to both IMO.
Plus, I ain't spending the kind of money needed to class up.
LT1? Not my ideal with the pig rich/cyl. wash problem.
LS1? Not my ideal. Where do I start with that?
Gen I? 350 with some spec cam? I don't want to run a carb, F that. What tranny?
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What about running it like this-
CMC- stays like it is (230hp) :wink:
CMC2- Older cars are allowed a few mods with limits, higher generation cars are allowed to run unrestricted, body mods stay like CMC (300hp) :)
AI- stays like it is, cause according to Marshall, they have no problems ("enough to break stuff" hp) :D <----joke
AIX- same :shock:
I know there's a TON more too it than that, but you get the idea. It's a stepped system. Allows people to gradually step up with mods on the cars :?:
I'm with JB on the class merging issue but why not make it easier for a car and driver to progress together through the ranks.
This is just my opinion and I'll probably get blasted with the "you don't know what you're talking about you're not even racing yet" vibe but that's why it's called an opinion.
CMC/CMC-2/AI/AIX to me are not what i'de consider steps on a ladder.
i love CMC. AI is OK, but has just gotten too far gone to realisticly consider.
pick a class and go w/ it.
i do however tell folks looking at AI to consider CMC for at least a couple years to hone their skills before spending the big bucks.
It may have been a step ladder in the past but now it requires a pretty substantial jump to go from CMC to AI. To some it isn't a big jump but then my brother doesn't think you should ever pop the hood on your car. You could step up in mods over time if you like but to get up front will take a pretty big jump. Ross-I think you are thinking like a street/drag racer wanting to mod everything. Get your car legal and on track and there will be plenty of things to work on over time. I also wouldn't worry too much about your 3rd Gen not having a place to race. I am still the only one that has to run CMC2 in our region. Though I think there are several CMC2 only cars in California.
Not wanting to mod my car.....but I am thinking ahead and I want to be involved with this series for a long time so i want to help anyway i can to improve it/draw more people in.Quote:
You could step up in mods over time if you like but to get up front will take a pretty big jump. Ross-I think you are thinking like a street/drag racer wanting to mod everything. Get your car legal and on track and there will be plenty of things to work on over time.
Ok, so everybody has been telling me just to get my car on track and legal and improve my car from there when i start talking about different classes and rules restrictions. Isn't this the same concept I have been talking about :?:
What happens when i get the car sorted out and pretty much maxed out rules wise :?: if I'm happy racing that.....cool, but when I'm not happy with that and wanna go higher horsepower there's this huge investment jump to AI. Then we wonder why we don't have more people in that class. :? There's no middle ground here......basic (fairly inexpensive)...or balls to the wall (break out your check book) Looking at it from an outsiders point of view it doesn't have that "well i can start simple and work my way up"option.
Granted i am young and have more of the "Fast and the Furious" mentality sometimes but who do we think the next generation of racers are gonna be :?:
I'm probably way over-stepping my bounds here. Sorry guys! no offense meant.
I appreciate a fresh set of eyes to get CMC old-timers (Adam :P ) out of a rut and mind-set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rsmith350
There is a whole new generation of racers headed our way. New does not mean stoopid. Fresh ideas, fresh perspectives, fresh points of view are welcome as fas as I'm concerned.
A slippery slope doesn't always face downhill ...
Considering there are less than 10 REAL AIX cars in the entire country, AI will be the top rung of the "ladder" before long. Hence why the new 18" tire rule, 2700lb min weight, and composite panels rules were made IMHO.
that leaves CMC2 as the middle of the road solution.
But as an AI racer, I don't really want to see CMC2 cars with 300rwhp. Now you will be able drag or PASS us on the straights given most AI cars are in the 315 range with a crap load of aero drag on the cars. Now our races get hosed even more than they already are with CMC2 starting BEHIND CMC.
Funny thing is that from the stands, most people don't realize there are 4 classes of cars during our races...so why have 4 classes and market the series like AV8SS....? One class, run what you brung and if that ain't enough, bring more!
Why not run with what Adam suggested ... simple!
The series power level is governed by the dyno sheet, period. However you want to get to the "number" ... fine.
Now, how can it be any simpler? No grey areas, no interpretations, no waiting for a ruling, no policing. It is what it is ... the dyno sheet.
I think the series, nationwide, is getting too big to govern as it has been. A select few dictating to the masses is great when it's a bunch of friends racing on a weekend.
But, it stifles innovation. And innovation is what brings attention to the series and series sponsors.
Glenn's point about all platforms costing about the same in the end is a valid one, after I studied it a while.
Buying a cheap platform and then spending a sum of cash to bring it up to a given level of competitiveness vs buying a more expensive platform initially and then very little has to be done to it to achieve the same power goal makes perfect sense in a Dyno Sheet Rules environment.
There is no way for someone to do something "under the radar" because all the ground clutter has been removed. If suspicious, send them to the dyno.
If they bust the number, immediate suspension.
Make a rule that has some meat and requires accountability by the owner.
I like simple ...
Edited for clarificatin ...
Ditto!..........Ditto!Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
edited for clarification :lol: