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would anyone else like to post thier numbers? i saw David D's post and that sucks ass to find out just 2 weeks prior to now. originally i was pushing to have this about a month ago, so that if issues came up like this, there would be more time to resolve it. knowing David, he's got a spare car somewhere. :wink:
It's the "catch issues" part of your post that I'd like clarified a bit more please. Perhaps this would be an appropriate time to go into detail just what will be done at the track in the 2007 season? I recall Todd mentioning at the Oct. 2006 event what you guys learned/saw at Nationals regarding the timing and fuel pressure on the dyno sheets. Sounded logical back then. Why not spell it all out up front so we know what to expect and how it will be conducted?
Otherwise, this sounds like "I'm from the Govt and I'm here to help" lol.
I can hear those black helo's overhead now...
this has nothing to do w/ nationals and the fuel pressure issues on the tech sheet.
here in the TX region, Todd allowed the fuel pressure part of the tech form to have an "N/A" in it if the car did not have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. my car is this way. if its not adjustable, its not worth measuring cause we couldnt change it if we wanted. well the tech guys @ nationals didnt agree w/ that and thus our tech sheets were not legal due to being filled out incorrectly. we all made a mad dash for the dyno. this was on thursday and the national event racing started friday morning.
by "catch issues" - i mean, this info will be used to aid in esuring no one is cheeting. we all wanted better tech inspection in 2006. NASA TX has proven they cant handle it, so it will be placed upon us to ensure we tech cars to the point that we all feel no-one is cheeting. what does that mean? i dont know. but keeping a copy of your dyno paperwork on file would a good place to start. keeping this on file came about for the every first reason i stated in my original post on this subject - just in case something happens to your copy and you cant produce it when asked to by anyone - not just myself, i'll have a copy for you. all the directors (4 of us) will have this info. so at no point in the season will it not be available to you. there is a happy medium between "every car makes a dyno pull in impound after each and every qual and race", to the total lack of rules inspection we have seen in the past.
this is all part of trying to do a better job than NASA TX and a better job than we have in the past.
Thanks for the explanation behind the new request. However, I respectfully disagree with the reasoning on this one if you are not using it to enforce fuel pressure and/or timing from the dyno sheet.
The rules are clear, produce the current dyno sheet. Make a change that affects the previous dyno results, get a new dyno pull. None of this is new. I think it has been demonstrated time and again that the Texas AI/CMC racers can reproduce their respective legality on subsequent dyno pulls.
My main concern is the procedure to be used. So that we know the how of what is going to happen. The stories from Hallett last year I think demonstrate the need for both tech inspectors and the participant to have a clear understanding of the procedures PRIOR to the event.
Mike please call me when you get a chance. i think we are saying the same thing in a different way.
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Headed out the door, will call you after lunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
A total lack of rules inspection?? No. Not just no, but hell no. There most certainly was series tech, Glenn - your comment is inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
Let's keep in mind that when series tech was performed, it ended with someone becoming unhappy, going to NASA Texas to complain. Anyone remember the email Jay and Shannon sent out prior to the 2005 TWS event? They removed tech from the series directors hands because the racers were unhappy. After an event or two, the racers realized NASA Texas wasn't performing any series tech besides weighing people. The complaints started anew.
Procedures shouldn't much change at all, save for the Series Directors being able to actually do their job without the NASA Texas safety tech inspectors/Regional Directors interfering, and completely destroying the tech process/series integrity in the process when they show their unfamiliarity with the series rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell
Your comment about knowing what is going to be done at the track - no way should that be announced prior to any event. Doing so gives people the ability to make changes to items that haven't been announced that are going to be inspected.
The whole idea of a series compliance/tech inspection is to be able to check any item at any time to help keep the playing field level. That's how it was handled at the Nats - you never knew what was going to be inspected until the Series Directors asked you to look at something/broke out a measuring tape/crawled under the car/crawled under the dash/crawled under the hood ( yes, they did ALL of those things ).
Adam, i never said it was you or Todd who was responsible for the total lack of rules inspection. you assume i was talking about you. but you verified what i did say. in your reply you admitted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
why do you assume this is not what i was talking about? my comment was intirely accurate, as was proven to be so by your very own statement. take the chip off your shoulder and put it away. it's not all about you. my comments were directed @ NASA TX and NASA TX only. Adam, by you taking every little word i say as being directed towards you, will make for a very long season. what was done by the series directors in the past is not being addressed by myself @ this time.Quote:
After an event or two, the racers realized NASA Texas wasn't performing any series tech besides weighing people.
guys, none of this stuff we are talking about has been the norm. but it is what should have been done. by doing it now we are trying to get back on track. i spoke w/ Mike today. we both understand each other alot more clearly now and he understands what is being done.
this is the very thing we are trying to do. but i have to have the info from the driver in order to check it. can i rely on the racers paperwork? yes. but i'll still collect and record the same info as if you sent me a copy of it. by sending it to me, it allows me to input and save the data at my leasure and not @ the track while i'm trying to do rules compliance checks on 30 cars. its all about efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
Hey Adam,
I'm talking about PROCEDURES. See anything in my post that says "warn guys about which item will be checked ahead of time"???? I sure don't. :roll:
I'm talking about HOW things will be checked. They very thing you and Daron went ballistic about not being done properly last summer.