Is this where we get into a reading comprehension debate Mitch? :wink: :lol:
I really was asking the question. I am wondering where others stand.
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Is this where we get into a reading comprehension debate Mitch? :wink: :lol:
I really was asking the question. I am wondering where others stand.
Al struggles with reading comprehension, Mitch.
Or, in Al-land, the above sentence looks like this: "Al...blah, blah, blah...Mitch."
Wow! Adam...you even come in on que!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
Uh oh.
Mitch/Adam agree?
(one of the seven signs?)
jb
It certainly did look like that when Adam typed it! :lol:
the flag at start finish was NEVER waving regardless of what it was in any race except for the checkered flag.
Only thing EVER displayed on the straight in race 2 was the swiss cross. Yellows were done locally near the incident. In race 3 ONLY, the yellow was displayed at S/F with swiss cross due to the incident in 1a/2.... corner workers at 2 had NO FLAG but were bowing to my glory...or signalling to slow down? Perception?
<----Still thinks James is getting boned.
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Originally Posted by AI#97
The yellow was out as you can see in the video I posted of R2 but it was standing not waving.
JJ
If we are having to go back to video to tell if a flag was displayed....maybe it isn't being displayed in a good line of sight and we need to improve that...?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowBolt
The starter stand displayed the local standing yellow, the waving yellow and full course yellows (in addition to the green, EV & checkered flag) during that race. It changed depending on the situations they had there. (At one point a car had actually spun in front of the EV's, and it was a pretty hairy situation with cars going into T1 at full song...trust me, it was a vigorously waving yellow during that time.)
If the starter stand on the front straight isn't the best place to indicate there's trouble in T1/T2, I don't know what would be...but we're all ears. :)
-=- T
I thought at one time or another, they use to have a flag station at the top of NASCAR 1. I saw 2 people standing up there and at first wondered why they weren't displaying any flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Covini
I know SCCA normally has at least one person at the top of the straight on the outside. At least when they had enough workers.
Jeff
end of the pit wall...? Nascar T1...? Biggest issue is you are focusing SO far down the track and dealing with a very unstable car on the rough surface that the station is so high and to the right, you lose it in your line of site behind and above the rear view mirror roof very quickly. throw a few cars on track and close racing and you lose it pretty quickly. I might even suggest a lower mounted lighting system in two or 3 places along the front straight outer wall... costs within reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Covini
I wouldn't want to call anyone out....but it appears that I was not the only one to pass under the yellow. :shock:
I think we sort of got knumb to yellow flags after seeing so many for the weekend.
There's an old NASCAR 2 yellow light at the end of the straight. Maybe David Love could run an extension cord out to them next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
found the control box in the tower on Monday while investigating the timing loop issue (which works fine for other groups). lights along the front straight are easily accessible, others not so... how many noticed that there is a control light at the runoff of 3??? I have the knowledge to build a box that could go flashing (waving) or a steady (standing) yellow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Covini
All it takes is a lot of squeaking to get the grease... oh and don't bring it to me, I'm just an employee
and a light on the flag stand at S/FQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd Covini
Call them out James!! :lol:
I had a pretty close call. I came out onto the straight to see Frank, Jeff W, and Jerry J going really slow in front of me. I stood on it hoping the yellow was gone or that I'd clear them well well well ahead of the flag station. I cleared Frank but couldnt get by Jeff and Jerry clearly so I lifted and gave the position back. Remember the incident wasnt until well past the flag station. As it turned out Jerry was messing with his clutch right there and slowed dramatically. Jeff took his place back. Then Jeremiah (sneaky!) slipped past too.
I went up to Clifton afterwards to make sure we were ok, that he saw I slowed and gave the positions back since it wasnt clear if I had cleared them in time. Man did he give me a verbal slapdown! :oops: In public no less. He was really pissed at me, an offical, for racing to the flag instead of just holding my place and taking my time. And he's right, I should've just waited until I could verify whether it was out or not.
when I worked SCCA events they had workers at 1high and 1low, the "low" station was between the hot pits and track and was a good yelow flag station with 1high being better for blue flags. while beneficial for the drivers both stations had little or no protection and I was hit once by flying debris at 1high (something like Carl Edwards wreck at Talladega). 1 low was just as scarey as you had to deal with cars coming at you from both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien
I like the 1low location since it gives the high speed cars a chance to complete a pass by the end of the straight, on the otherhand it could make for a more dangerous situation if the driver goes in deeper to complete the pass before the station and goes off at full speed in the direction that Mitch was in...
I'm rambling... FACT there was a yellow flag at start/finish and lots of cars "blew" it, some were penalized and other were not... bad business
Like NASCAR it all starts at the top... question is will finger pointing in the public forums get you in trouble???? My New Years resolution is to try and stay positive... and to disclose some of the nasty facts is negative so I'm ending my input in the matter....
FYI...I spoke with James Proctor today regarding the status of his Round 3 DQ.
After much deliberation & discussions with the Texas CMC Directors, Clifton, National CMC Directors as well as the NASA TX and National office, all are in agreement that a NON-DROPPABLE DQ for the infraction of passing under yellow, is too severe in James' case.
As such, the penalty for James will be a DROPPABLE DQ and he will be required to start his next race from the back of the field. This penalty is more severe than the CCR, however less severe than the CMC rules as currently written.
The original intent of making the CMC rules more stringent than the CCR in the area of DQ's (non-droppable) is to prevent someone from "rolling the dice" with their actions, knowing that CMC has more drops than the CCR default system. (i.e.- A series champion should not be able to drop 4 DQ's in a season.)
The CMC rule will remain in effect for the remainder of the year and at the conclusion of the season, will be considered for modification based upon the National observations and each of the regional series director's input.
-=- Todd Covini
I'm glad to hear the situation was resolved with an appropriate outcome.
James is going to have some fun during R1 at Hallett! :)
I'm planning to take him to the woodshed all weekend at Hallett.
How started this thread? Congratz James. I'm glad it was done the way it should have been. I want to whip you fair and square someday in the points, not from a DQ.
JJ
I want to thank Todd, Glenn, Kent Lydic (east coast CMC director) and Tony G (chief cmc director) for their time and work in this. You guys did a great job.
For the record, I volunteered these four to disseminate the facts I had gathered up around the use of DQs and the points systems throughout three regions of NASA and come up with the appropriate path forward. Being (a distant!) second in points, I wanted to ensure nobody could question any decisions being biased for personal gain.
James...sorry you had to be the one to deal with this. We should have addressed this long ago.
For the rest of us...please do take the time to think about this CMC rule and make sure Glenn, Todd, and myself understand your thoughts prior to the rules silly season when we'll make a permanent change to how this is written.
No kidding....biggest field of the year and I start last. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelmosty
Thanks again for all the notes of support and especially those involved in revisiting the rules.
I apoligize again for having a head up butt race and blowing the flag that created this whole mess.
I without question deserved a penalty and think this is a fair compromise.