It appears that you not have position and should back out. But that is just me. MPS.
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It appears that you not have position and should back out. But that is just me. MPS.
I'll no longer debate who was at fault. Done deal. I got blamed so it really doesn't matter. Same as me and Al at TWS. I got screwed by a BS move. I worked my ass off to not hit Al for many a lap due to Al having a very poorly handling car (broken PHB mount) to finally make a nice clean pass to have that kind of BS given back. I would never cut down and brake check like that.
Bryan, I would have given you room to race had we been in opposite positions. I recall being told you didn't know I was there, so it really doesn't matter how far alongside I would have been, you were coming over.
As many have said, the 3/4 car width rule staying as is or changing will not really fix the mistakes, but it will allow fault to be assigned to someone when another driver has to bail to avoid contact when a right to the position was gained. 2 good things come from that, 1) a willingness to bail as that will at least give the position that was trying to be earned in a legal manner but was taken away in what I consider a non-gentlemanly way. 2) a change to make someone aware that they made an unfair move. Awareness if they didn't know someone was there.
Hard to say from that pic IMO, I've had the door shut on me many times and had to back out or go 2 off because of it, but I didn't have position either, close, but not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by rleng1
I had the thought last night that we could post a "Racing Etiquette" reminder sheet right next to the grid sheet every event.
And if there is a specfic concern at that track, i.e. Turn 6 at ECR, is there anything to stop us from having more strict enforcement there? As an example we tightened the rules at Hallett a couple of years ago because of the multiple regions.
That's a great suggestion. I know when NASCAR raced at Watkins Glen, the announcers mentioned that the drivers all agreed not to attempt passes in the chicane (or maybe it was to go two wide through it, don't remember). Pretty sure I've seen other pro series drivers agree on stuff like this in the driver's meeting before the race as well.
I know there are places on certain tracks where I wouldn't attempt a pass, but just because I wouldn't do it doesn't mean everyone else would do the same.
Agree with you Glenn. It is a race of give and take. And when to do what is an reaction. A very quick reaction where we do not always have time to do what needs to be done. It's racing and don't think you can eliminate the contact. Though maybe if we were driving $100k Porsches we might make passes a little differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
It seems to me that the introduction of SI has caused a lot of issues. There are SI drivers that are faster than tail AI cars, and others that are slower than mid-CMC cars. Throwing them behind the AI pack seemed to make sense, but in reality it didn't work out too well several times.
I think we either need to fully integrate them into AI (by qual time), or they need their own flag. As is, it's kindof like an inverted start for them each race.
Not a lot of chatter from AI guys. We've had our share of contact this year. I had my first ever contact this year, which was the result of frustration turned into bad judgement on my behalf (Cresson race 2).
Sat morning I asked SI to take thier own green. The consensus was no. I encouraged them to do it and got pushback. The reason I asked them to do it was CMC had the same issues with AI prior to doing just that.
It may become manditory in 2015.
My green to checker times at ECR, I wonder what another green would do to these (-1m?)Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
R1 14m
R2 10m
R3 12m
R4 12m
Isn't this the whole point of the debate though. If the rule were different Glenn never would have attempted this move, would not have been forced to bail to the right which resulted in a loss of traction and consequently the shot over to the left and MORE damage. Why would you have a rule that forces you to race in the dirt? This is not rally cross! You're inviting more incidents by encouraging "hail mary" moves. Maybe more penalties for forcing people into the dirt?Quote:
Originally Posted by rleng1
For the record can we all agree that the spelling is "patience" not "patients"? Autocorrect can't save you there :)
Thanks, that was killing me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rsmith350
I'll be working on that with Will. We'll leave this topic alone for a bit..Quote:
Originally Posted by mach1
But to put it in perspective, all the race groups were cut a bit short at ECR for some reason:
Total hot laps (4 races for some groups/3 for others):
Thunder - 24
Blitz - 25
Cyclone - 26
Lightning - 19* (*red flag during race 3 ended the race on Lap 2)
You guys prob won't have to worry about SI next year cause three of them are going bye bye to new owners elsewhere.
That's a shame, whats the story behind that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suck fumes
Well they aren't sold yet but the plan is for:
Me - going AI
Bill - going back to SM
Corey - who knows
Ross, the 3/4 width rule is not the issue in my opinion. The problem is a general lack of racecraft and car control to know better than to even try certain moves or take certain risks. That isn't racing, its gambling. Knowing what not to even try is the key regardless of what the rules state. If you honestly think you can pull off a move with tires in the dirt....that driver needs to reevaluate their racecraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rsmith350
That may sound a little harsh but to quote Dirty Harry. " Man has got to know his limitations."
Not sure what Jack is doing yet. Could stay in SI but talking about AI with the same car. It was an AI car when we bought it won't be hard to change back still have all the go faster stuff. Pretty sure Dennis and Mike Snavely will stay in SI. Don't know about the other guy.
Here is a great video showing how to pass and to use patients. I closed the door on James many times (I feel I had the right to every time). Most of us could learn a bunch about passing and patients from watching James.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2T-0I0vY7Q
JJ
Don't dig too deep.. you will find all the bad mistakes too. :o
In that race, I was little aggressive in the fist lap and that is why I went off track. I think Wade was on my inside and I was trying to pass on the outside and we were running out of room, so I bailed off track to avoid any contact.
Jerry.. I never had an issue at all with you. We joked and cut up afterwards about how I couldn't quite get next to you where I wanted to be most of that race. Good fun.
Good fun for sure but you showed great patients getting around Gary and I. Sometimes you can't pass another driver in a few corners or even a few laps even if you are way faster than they are. I think this video could be used to show how to do it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllZWay
JJ