Rule of the Day - Double Yellow Flags

I have great in car video from last year going out of wagon wheel pedal to the floor during DY waving at the corner workers! Good stuff!

Now let's consider an incident that NEARLY happened. Morgan at TWS last year. Local yellow so the cars are still moving quickly but he didn't see the swiss flag till last minute, nearly clips the EV and bails track out tearing his car to hell. I don't see that bad situation being any different from a DY.

also, why is the rule on DY and local yellow different as to when to slam the gas down? Local yellow is when I can see the next flag station which could be 1/4 mile from it....DY is perpendicular to the station? Am I missing something here? Did I violate that rule and had actually passed Daron before the S/F prior to BB because I saw there was no yellow all the way back in tombstone?

Just bouncing things around for thought but the idea of full tilt boogie under DY doesn't seem to make sense for me...but will do what the clown in front of me is doing...if there is someone in front of me. If I am lead car, count of 50% pace or 60mph max....yes, my speedometer still works.

Clifton, please elaborate...21.1 is adjustments by the race director.

I agree with you guys; double yellow should not be full speed. IMHO during DY the session leader (who damn well better know who he is, part of the responsibility of being out front, like pacing the warmup and start) should slow to pace speed (2nd gear, 3000rpm) quickly but safely and stay at that speed. Everyone else should drive at a reduced but fast pace, observing the caution area and reducing speed significantly through that area, mainining 100% control a tall times until they catch the guy in front. Absolutely no passing unless passing emergency vehicles or a pace car with a point by.

That would minimize the need for a pace car, bunch the field quickly so as to maximize "open track" for the crews, and set up for good restarts.

Losing the lead you've built...tough shit.

Clifton, is that about right?

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

should slow to pace speed (2nd gear, 3000rpm) immediately and stay at that speed. Everyone else should drive at a reduced but fast pace, observing the caution area and reducing speed significantly through that area, maintaining 100% control a tall times until they catch the guy in front. Absolutely no passing unless passing emergency vehicles or a pace car with a point by.

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Some real world data that can be used by a driver while on track. There is hope for you yet, Fernandez.

I can live with 3K in second for DYs

Can we make this official?

2nd gear at 3000 rpm's is a different speed for each platform.
there should be a suggested speed, and its up to the driver to calcutate that into what gear and what rpm.

for pit road, i havea sticker on my wheel that says 2nd @2K.

plenty of gear calulators out there that will give this info.

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

2nd gear at 3000 rpm's is a different speed for each platform.

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True, but there is only one leader. Word it so the leader is in 2nd at 3000. Everyone else just has to follow.

Think they are just looking for a small range of speed, not an exact mph.

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

Clifton, please elaborate...21.1 is adjustments by the race director.

I agree with you guys; double yellow should not be full speed. IMHO during DY the session leader (who damn well better know who he is, part of the responsibility of being out front, like pacing the warmup and start) should slow to pace speed (2nd gear, 3000rpm) immediately and stay at that speed. Everyone else should drive at a reduced but fast pace, observing the caution area and reducing speed significantly through that area, mainining 100% control a tall times until they catch the guy in front. Absolutely no passing unless passing emergency vehicles or a pace car with a point by.

That would minimize the need for a pace car, bunch the field quickly so as to maximize "open track" for the crews, and set up for good restarts.

Losing the lead you've built...tough shit.

Clifton, is that about right?

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I guess I'll chime in since it seems like I'm the one that messed up.

I was leading when we came out of Big Bend and saw the DY. From Al's video you can see I (and Al) slowed before the start finish. Once we got to the top of the hill and saw Jeremy's car, we slowed way down (I think there was even some debris on track I was trying to avoid near Jeremy's car. After we came out of Wagon wheel, I noticed Gleen and Rob were on it. Here is my thought process:
On Saturday, Mulder and I (and someone else was there??) had a conversation about running 40 minute races. Mulder had the idea of bringing out a DY at the 20 minute mark (competition yellow). He also said that may cause problems taking too long for the field to get bunched back up. As stated earlier, Clifton said any yellow would be treated as a DY because of the off track conditions. So as I rounded Wagon wheel and saw the DY at the next station, I did not speed up. By this time Al was nearly pushing me down the straight to little bend. So I start thinking more... If Glenn and Rob are trying to catch up to the CMC field, what about the CMC guys behind me, is it fair to hang back 50 lengths. Could we have seperate restarts like Grand Am?? After running for my life for a few laps there, dialing it back to 80% felt like we were creeping, so I felt comfortable slowing at start finsh, getting pass the wounded car, and then picking it back up.

It was another trial by fire for the rookie at MSRC. I asked both JP and Al after the race if I handled that situation properly and they said they were fine with it. Sorry if anyone else didn't approve, I'll make sure to handle it better next time I'm leading and the DY comes out... :wink:

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

2nd gear at 3000 rpm's is a different speed for each platform.
there should be a suggested speed, and its up to the driver to calcutate that into what gear and what rpm.

for pit road, i havea sticker on my wheel that says 2nd @2K.

plenty of gear calulators out there that will give this info.

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At 3K in 2nd gear, I bet there isn't 5mph difference in speed between all the combination. The accordian effect will be more than that.

The guy at the tail end of the train might be 3K in 3rd gear ...

Jeremiah,
This isn't an isolated case. We've had this "fast double yellow" where the field never bunches back up before.

From the tower, we want to see a single file restart @ start/finish, but for the racers that can chew up some track time...that's why we resist sending the pace car if it's not needed.

I'm all for an agreed upon 3k in 2 (not to be confused with BFT on 3) for the overall leader. Good way to self manage and prevent a Corvette, M3 or SVT Focus pace car from jumping out there to slo yo asses! :wink:

Mitch is right....3k in 2 is likely too slow.
Maybe 3k in 3.