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Originally Posted by mitchntx
you sure jumped to a big conclusion there. since there was no yellow, there was no penalty. had there been a yellow, you could have been called in by the CW and then a penalty levied. i never once said or attempted to imply a pass under yellow should/would be legal.
please corrdect your statement.
No Michael ... I do NOT think you or Jeremy passed illegally. Nor do I think EITHER of you did anything wrong or did ANYTHING intentional.
And Glenn's point was that there was no standing yellow when the corner station was passed. I glossed over that. Sorry 'bout that. It wasn't "clearly" stated ... apologies for the confusion.
Geez guys ... maybe we are still on the edge about the shit slinging that went on last week.
From MY AND ONLY MY POV ... if the track is blocked by debris or smoke, its an OBVIOUS yellow flag condition. We shouldn't have to be TOLD its yellow by a CW station.
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
so now we are getting to the point of this thread.
when the track is obviously in a condition that warrants a Yellow (local or full course) do we act according to the flag condition (or lack of one in this case) or do we act in a manner that reflects the condition of the issue?
That is the way I treated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I know what Mitch was getting at in the beginning.. but we can bench race this to death and get a million "what ifs"...
REALITY: this was a rare incident that you can't "safely" practice because it was a very dangerous situation (I'm not faulting Frank, he didn't intend for this to happen) there was debris, smoke, oil, a driver searching for the track and an entire field of cars comming at full clip...
I've been on a corner and witnessed this situation first hand and to be honest my focus was always on the crippled car and waving the hell out of the flag. The corner worker at three was probablly facing T4 and waving the workers at T2 couldn't see through the smoke... so... If you want to be a cheatin' bastard and take advantage just remember all the guys in group 4 are under one roof and most have cameras.
Honestly, I pulled the dumbest move by driving into the heavy smoke... I was so close that I got big drops of oil on the front of my car.
I should have said my statement differently Mitch. I am not upset at all with you or anyone. The past weeks discussions have had little effect on me. Nothing that has been said has ruffled my feathers one bit. In fact, my car is already cleaned and ready for ECR. :D
I didn't mean for my comment to sound like I was upset with your statement, never did I think that. I just wanted to make the point that I don't think anyone in this group would ever try to capitalize on an incident like happened in R4. I think we all respect each others safety way more than a finishing position in a race.
My dodge around Steve was 100% avoidance and then instantly my main focus went to the drivers in front of me.
Everyone did a awesome job there.
Similar scenario R3 L2 HMRC '05.
Shall I roll the beautiful bean footage?
J/K
Jb
and a quick post race protest would have his butt DQ'd if he didn't give it back either... "A pass under yellow is a pass under yellow..."... JWL...Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
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Originally Posted by David Love AI27
Well, while riding around in the passenger seat for several sessions, the Corner Worker at T3 seemed interested in something else other than watching the track. I got that same feeling during a couple of our races too.
The scenario we have been using here is rare, but the minute we say it never happens, it will happen again. Our discussion here has been great. It shows most all of us agree that safety will be the first thing at hand and continuing the race will take second seat. I think everyone did an incredible job avoiding each other and staying out of trouble. There are a couple issues after the melee that I didn't agree with and I already discussed those with that driver and I think we are all good again.
We are all adults here and the last 3 years of all of our shit we say or type has been water under the bridge. We still get along whether we like someone or not, and our colorful ribbing and bitching ultimately get us to a point of better understanding. As long as our respect for each other is high while on track...it makes no difference when we strap on the helmets and go have fun.....Right?!
So that being said, fuck you all and have a nice day! :lol:
Laugh you overly serious crumudgens!