Special request - Dyno File for 2010.

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Sorry, i dont know of any other way of saying it. thats the most absurd thing i've read so far today.

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The day is young ...

Its just as absurd as calling people out for not wanting to comply with your request.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by ShadowBolt

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

For years, people knew that if they put a fender on me I'd move over.

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That's for damn sure. Mitch will slam the door!

JJ

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After you get bullied enough, you say enough is enough.

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3.9 Dynamometer Certification
All participants who wish to compile season points must submit a certified dynamometer report prior to the start of the race or make arrangements to have a dyno test performed immediately after the race. The dynamometer inspection will consist of two parts, a completed CMC Dyno Spec Sheet and Dyno Sheet Readout Graphs. All pages must be signed and dated by the dynamometer operator performing the tests. These forms must be kept with the vehicle's logbook and be ready to present to any official. The CMC Dyno Spec Sheet includes instructions for performing the official dynamometer inspection, which must be followed in order for the dyno inspection to be valid. The Dyno Spec Sheet is available on the CMC website or from the CMC Chief Director, see section 10.

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I suggest this entire section be rewritten.

What is a "Dynamometer report"? That and "Body Contact Report" is the only instance in all the CMC rules that this term is used.

I know what Glenn thinks it is, but the rule explicitly says what has to be turned in ... just a "report".

In fact, the passage goes on to say

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These forms must be kept with the vehicle's logbook and be ready to present to any official.

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No where does it say the graph HAS to be turned in, just kept with teh logbook. I'm assuming MY dyno graph with MY logbook. The way its written, it could meean Everyone's dyno graph with Glenn's logbook.

Again the ONLY thing in the rules that HAS to be turned in is a "report" and that is undefined.

Also ...

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All participants who wish to compile season points

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That tells me if I don't care about season points, a dyno isn't necessary.

And that's backed up here ...

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3.7 New Drivers/New Model Cars
The CMC Chief Director may allow a new competitor or competitor in a new model car to enter as a “Fun Run” with a car not in complete compliance with CMC Rules. Competitors with non-compliant cars may not collect points.

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If dyno graphs are required ... say so
If dyno graphs are required to be submitted to an official ... say so.
If dyno graphs are required to be submitted both in hard copy and electronic form ... say so.

If its not in the rules, don't expect it.

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wow. i'm done w/ responding to you about this.
i am asking for your help. i in no way demanded it. i didnt tell anyone this was a requirement. i ASKED for this info. if you dont want to provide it, dont. but dont ask for us to use this info to help you if your not willing to provide it.

i didnt call you out, you stood up and raised your hand.

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

you wouldnt in a million years quess how much resistance i'm getting from a few here

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You started it ...

I felt as though I, as one of the resistance, needed to explain my POV being as you decided to take it public.

I have been very vocal about this amongst our group, so it wasn't 100% private. But I don't think its appropriate for you, as a director, to condemn my opinion to the world in doing this just to make your life easier.

Mitch, I envisioned making data available by platform, not by driver name. Would that ease your concern? At that point a racer looking at this data would not know which car is which, but they would know where they stack up in relation to the masses.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Raise your hands ... how many here have heard/read about Francis' down on power woes and made a passing decision based upon that?

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Someone could walk over and look at his dyno sticker on the windshield to see the 211 hp and wouldn't even need to look at his graph.

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

Mitch, I envisioned making data available by platform, not by driver name. Would that ease your concern? At that point a racer looking at this data would not know which car is which, but they would know where they stack up in relation to the masses.

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OK ... but how does that address the original intent of the directors knowing and no one else?

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Originally Posted by michaelmosty

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Raise your hands ... how many here have heard/read about Francis' down on power woes and made a passing decision based upon that?

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Someone could walk over and look at his dyno sticker on the windshield to see the 211 hp and wouldn't even need to look at his graph.

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Exactly ... and that should be it. That's all I or you need to know about David's car.

Its none of our business WHERE it makes 211 or even 259. Then has a limit and that's all me or you need to know.

If it its a table top, then it will show on track. If it bugs you, then submit the protest form and the $50.

David, please understand, I'm not picking you. Merely using your situation as an extreme example to illustrate my points.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Its no different than factoring in those drivers who are more timid than others.

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Thanks for not calling me out :shock: :oops: .... LOL

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Its no different than factoring in those drivers who are more timid than others. As a driver, you realize it on some level and make decisions based upon that realization.

For years, people knew that if they put a fender on me I'd move over.

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LOL ... actually, I was referring to myself.