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10-12-2009, 08:55 AM
GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

The point is having gracious consideration is what has the series neck-deep in this debacle. Tire-gate didn't help.

how is having consideration for the lesser mechanically inclined folks a bad thing? What debacle are we having? 3rd gens not knowing what mods they need to do for CMC-2? its not like they have no place to race. the directors of the series didn't make the problem, we were left to deal w/ it. Same w/ tire gate. Direct your anger over the situation at those responsible, not those who are dealing w/ the problem.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

The guys who have Fox/3Gs are not happy cause they don't know what to do or which group to run in.

The Fox cars are set. They have a clear path and a working solution.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Those that were in the building process are not happy cause they don't know what to do or which group to run in.

I understand there are folks in limbo. As I said, the directors didn't make the problem, we were stuck dealing w/ it. NASA National has now realized they put us in a bad spot and have stepped up to help us out.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

At some point in time the leadership has to quit pointing fingers at outside influences, take responsibility, draw the line and move on.

Make some one happy ... ANY one happy.

we have, and for the time being, LT1's in 3rd gens is not the answer. It could very well be in the future. No different than the feeling that Fox cars didn't need a weight reduction to run up front. At one time it wasn't under consideration, then it was, and it was made to be. You speak often of how knee jerk reactions have been a bad thing w/ the series or here on the site. How is this no different? The knee jerk reaction is to allow LT1's in 3rd gens. My bet is if we did allow it, more folks (10x?) would feel trapped in CMC-1 than the number of folks who feel liberated to CMC-2. Providing a solution is only part of the problem. We have to find a solution that works w/ minimal impact to the series (in this case - 3rd gens). The series would be 100% problem free if we all drove the same platform. That would be a solution; we all switch to 4th gens. Problem solved, right? Or would that be too impacting to a greater number of racers? Right, it would, and it's an exaggerated example of the LT1 in the 3rd gen being the solution to 3rd gens in CMC-2. The allowance of the LT1 would be of lesser impact the "we all drive 4th gens" but an impact none the less. So as convenient as a solution as it would be, we would like to try and find an even lesser impacting solution.

My attempt to be lost was an attempt to stay on topic.
10-12-2009, 09:03 AM
Al Fernandez

Mitch, don't confuse apples with oranges. The reason for all of the R&D effort around 3rd gens is they do not have a viable cmc2 path that doesnt involve a carburetor. If there is a way to get it done sub $1k then we should be exploring that. Allowing them an LT1 is AN option on the table, it cannot be THE option. Telling all 305 folks they have to ditch their entire motor/trans combo when there is the potential that a head/cam swap will yield the required performance doesnt make sense to me until we prove the head/cam switch wont work.
10-12-2009, 09:10 AM
AI#97

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Make some one happy ... ANY one happy.

Just don't try to make Mitch happy....it's impossible.

Mitch, the fox guys know exactly what to do... 300 bucks in Cam/headers (less on craigslist) and some dyno time and they are in -2...if they really want to, they can do 17's and 4 piston brakes. Where are Fox guys lost on where to race?

Seems to me the only issue is how to get the 3rd gens into 2.
10-12-2009, 09:21 AM
GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by AI#97

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Make some one happy ... ANY one happy.

Just don't try to make Mitch happy....it's impossible.

Mitch, the fox guys know exactly what to do... 300 bucks in Cam/headers (less on craigslist) and some dyno time and they are in -2...if they really want to, they can do 17's and 4 piston brakes. Where are Fox guys lost on where to race?

Seems to me the only issue is how to get the 3rd gens into 2.

Matt - i saw that you had replied and was all ready to have to come in and delete you post.
glad i didnt have to.
10-12-2009, 09:24 AM
AI#97

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

Matt - i saw that you had replied and was all ready to have to come in and delete you post.
glad i didnt have to.

I'm in a good mood this morning so no worries.

I am only concerned about Lemons right now....I could give a shit about the rules process for AI or CMC right now as it always seems input is ignored and the "racing majority" seems to get their way. I'll figure it out in 2011 when/if I return....again, no worries.

There, had to give you something to delete if you feel like it! ;)
10-12-2009, 09:26 AM
mitchntx

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

My attempt to be lost was an attempt to stay on topic.

After moderating boards a lot more volatile than this one I learned that threads are like normal conversations. They go where they go.

Attempts to line up thread topics like little soldiers is a waste of energy.
10-12-2009, 09:31 AM
GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

My attempt to be lost was an attempt to stay on topic.

After moderating boards a lot more volatile than this one I learned that threads are like normal conversations. They go where they go.

Attempts to line up thread topics like little soldiers is a waste of energy.

finally, some common ground.
10-12-2009, 09:34 AM
michaelmosty

Can't we all just get along.
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10-12-2009, 09:36 AM
mitchntx

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

Mitch, don't confuse apples with oranges. The reason for all of the R&D effort around 3rd gens is they do not have a viable cmc2 path that doesnt involve a carburetor. If there is a way to get it done sub $1k then we should be exploring that. Allowing them an LT1 is AN option on the table, it cannot be THE option. Telling all 305 folks they have to ditch their entire motor/trans combo when there is the potential that a head/cam swap will yield the required performance doesnt make sense to me until we prove the head/cam switch wont work.

As with the Foxes, this is assuming CMC2 is the path the 3G owners want to take.

Like you you and Glenn have both said ... if the 3G owners wants to stay with a 305, then race in CMC1

And the point that seems to be constantly overlooked or set aside is the LT1 motor is a tried and true work-horse that can be made to run in BOTH CMC1 and CMC2.

Its reliable, its relatively cheap, its a self contained package, it bolts in, its pure GM ... it has everything going for it that I think CMC stands for.

Stop laying blame at the feet of some one or some thing. That is unproductive and shows just how powerless you guys really are.

Being as the T56 has been legal in a 3G this whole time, that expense is off the table. I am susggesting you fix the motor problem with a known element, cheap to purchase, easy to install and move on.

OT: I don't know of any Houston trans builder, Gary.
10-12-2009, 09:38 AM
mitchntx

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

My attempt to be lost was an attempt to stay on topic.

After moderating boards a lot more volatile than this one I learned that threads are like normal conversations. They go where they go.

Attempts to line up thread topics like little soldiers is a waste of energy.

finally, some common ground.

I'm lost

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