Special request - Dyno File for 2010.

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10-13-2009, 01:07 PM
Fbody383

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

Raise your hands ... how many here have heard/read about Francis' down on power woes and made a passing decision based upon that?

Someone could walk over and look at his dyno sticker on the windshield to see the 211 hp and wouldn't even need to look at his graph.

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

David, please understand, I'm not picking you. Merely using your situation as an extreme example to illustrate my points.

No harm, no foul; I thought it was the car length I gave up on any kind of straight that made passing easy(er).

I hear ya Mitch, but I guess I give more weight to "intent." If the intent jof the rule is that competitors will be notified of each others dyno results, then make the rules clear to that end.

IF, as Mitch shows (pretty clearly in my estimation) the intent is to have a "legal" car, verifiable only to the directors by a dyno pull, then write the rule clearly that way and then the windshield sticker only needs to show minimum weight. Or does it just need to show annual tech?

As long as the car is legal when teched or protested, who needs to know? I think this kind of thinking gets us farther away from the gentlemen racer activity that could hamper post race festivities.
10-13-2009, 02:14 PM
David Love AI27

Look... National rules can be ammended for each Region, right? If the regional directors want a copy of ALL the dynos to aid in decision making then so be it, change the Regional rules. I have no problem with that. If the rules says all I have to do is prove my numbers then thats all I'm going to do (call me an asshole, your not the first and I plan to live alot longer so you won't be the last). Either way there is going to be bitching... there always has been, there is right now and it will continue in the future.

Al is already collecting data and I'm sure he is doing it to benefit the series. Add a paragraph, enforce it equally and move on.
10-13-2009, 02:18 PM
mitchntx

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Originally Posted by Fbody383

I think this kind of thinking gets us farther away from the gentlemen racer activity that could hamper post race festivities.

Bing! I think you are on to something ...

In a gentleman's racing world, we should go to the dyno and VERIFY our numbers and that should be good enough.

Nirvana!

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10-13-2009, 06:49 PM
AI#97

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by Fbody383

I think this kind of thinking gets us farther away from the gentlemen racer activity that could hamper post race festivities.

Bing! I think you are on to something ...

In a gentleman's racing world, we should go to the dyno and VERIFY our numbers and that should be good enough.

Nirvana!

WHICH dyno?! ;)
10-13-2009, 07:00 PM
Todd Covini

I remember a day when there were TWO members of LAW Motorsports who were a PITA. Won't you just drink the kool-aid, Mitch?!?!? :wink:

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10-13-2009, 10:06 PM
Jeremy Gunter

Glenn,
A guy with AI/CMC Texas Regional Director in his sig can ask for this information without any argument.

A guy with ..."
CMC #70 4th Gen
2005 5th in season points (Rookie Year)
2006 2nd in season points / 3rd @ Nationals
2007 1st in season points / 3rd @ Nationals
2008 4th in season points / Texas E1 Champ & 3rd Overall / 1st @ Nationals
2009 GRM Calendar Mr. March / TWS 8hr Enduro Overall Win / 1st @ Nationals
Fastest CMC Goober in the World!"...
in his sig is going to get some opposition.

it's not the fact that you are one of our regional leaders... be careful how you approach those you feel are not within the rules...
10-14-2009, 12:31 PM
Fbody383

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Originally Posted by AI#97

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

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Originally Posted by Fbody383

I think this kind of thinking gets us farther away from the gentlemen racer activity that could hamper post race festivities.

Bing! I think you are on to something ...

In a gentleman's racing world, we should go to the dyno and VERIFY our numbers and that should be good enough.

Nirvana!

WHICH dyno?! ;)

I think this kind of thinking gets us farther away from the gentlemen racer activity that could hamper post race festivities.

Is somebody cheating? How much HP or TQ *really* matters? What's the lap time difference in my car between me/Glenn/James/Patterson/MFW driving?

See, I'm too dense to just step away and let all this get flogged by everybody else.

Rewrite the rule to make the intent clear, include language that redacted (car number removed) data/graph will be made available to all participants.

Thrown in $$$ for the Rookie Rebuild Fund.
10-14-2009, 07:24 PM
AI#97

Dave, my point was, and still is that the dyno BS is just that, BS. If I dyno on dyno X and you on Y, and it is well known that they both read differently, a director CANNOT tell me which dyno to go to for verification as I have a valid argument I am racing per the dyno I used.

Hence why the west coast guys and others were SHOCKED that we don't have dyno's at our events. My response to them was "it really isn't necessary in Texas"....but don't expect that to last forever as more racers join this group. Besides, we'd rather drink beer and lock people in port-a-johns than load and watch cars on dynos!!! ;)
10-14-2009, 07:43 PM
David Love AI27

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Originally Posted by AI#97

Hence why the west coast guys and others were SHOCKED that we don't have dyno's at our events.

At Nationals, during my 3rd impound one of the tech guys asked if I had my dyno sheet. I said "yes"... He said "Can I see it?" I said "Sure, I will go and get it after we are finished here" he replyed... wait for it.... wait for it... "You mean you don't have it with you?" :shock: :shock: I said "WHAT?!? WITH ME?!?! I just came off the track. Am I SUPPOSED to have it in the car???".... He said "no, I just you might" :roll:
10-14-2009, 08:38 PM
AI#97

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Originally Posted by David Love AI27

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Originally Posted by AI#97

Hence why the west coast guys and others were SHOCKED that we don't have dyno's at our events.

At Nationals, during my 3rd impound one of the tech guys asked if I had my dyno sheet. I said "yes"... He said "Can I see it?" I said "Sure, I will go and get it after we are finished here" he replyed... wait for it.... wait for it... "You mean you don't have it with you?" :shock: :shock: I said "WHAT?!? WITH ME?!?! I just came off the track. Am I SUPPOSED to have it in the car???".... He said "no, I just you might" :roll:

technically, we are supposed to have the log book in the car too...and by Mitch's rant, we are supposed to have the dyno sheet in the log book.

So, anyone want to start a discussion about selective rules enforcement and negating enforcing ANY rule?! LOL!!!! Come on Mitch, jump on in!!!! :lol:

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