I had a ton of fun this weekend

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Guys need to take responsabilty for their own actions on the track.

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Wow, you're asking for a lot there. It's completely ingrained in current American culture that it's always someone else’s fault.

Don't feel bad about the attack on Racecraft, though. A few weeks ago the blame was squarely on the corner workers and the poor corner worker stations. You see, it’s just not possible to see the stations and the flags. Of course the same ones complaining were the people who can tell you what color eyes the girl with big boobies working station three has. :roll:


Richard Pedersen
#91 LX 5.0

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Originally Posted by RichardP

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Guys need to take responsabilty for their own actions on the track.

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Wow, you're asking for a lot there. It's completely ingrained in current American culture that it's always someone else’s fault.

Don't feel bad about the attack on Racecraft, though. A few weeks ago the blame was squarely on the corner workers and the poor corner worker stations. You see, it’s just not possible to see the stations and the flags. Of course the same ones complaining were the people who can tell you what color eyes the girl with big boobies working station three has. :roll:


Richard Pedersen
#91 LX 5.0

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If the penalties outlined in the CCR would be given to those type infractions, I bet we wouldn't see them anymore. There is no excuse for not paying attentin (myself included)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Reposition to last place (minimum)
- Passing under waving yellow and / or over-driving any yellow: Disqualification (minimum)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Two (2) points
- Passing under waving yellow and/or over-driving any yellow: Three (3) points

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Originally Posted by CMC17

If the penalties outlined in the CCR would be given to those type infractions, I bet we wouldn't see them anymore. There is not excuse for not paying attentin (myself included)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Reposition to last place (minimum)
- Passing under waving yellow and / or over-driving any yellow: Disqualification (minimum)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Two (2) points
- Passing under waving yellow and/or over-driving any yellow: Three (3) points

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Excellent, Eric!!!
Now can anyone else in the class tell me what the CCR penalties are for over-agressive driving? ...for unsportsmanlike conduct??

Remember class, when the IRB meets, the CCR interpretations and decisions based on the facts are made by NASA,....not the racer. So as everyone is throwing stones, and demanding order in the court, some of you (not all) sincerely believe that "the other guy" was entirely at fault and "he should be punished"...which may or may not necessarily be the case. :wink:

So let's remember this noble discussion at future events and all agree to abide by the trackside investigation results and penalties handed out after the decisions, as outlined in the CCR, are made by NASA.

I'll be there for you if you have any questions or need an RFA form.

<Cheers!>

Your homework for the weekend will be to read the section on "Appeals Process", or in simpler terms, when you don't agree with the penalties that were imposed as outlined in the CCR. (That's a pretty clear, easy to read section as well.)

Hear the sucking sound??? That's the vacuum left as the fun quickly goes away and we all become proficient race lawyers!

The "New Norm" will prevent all of this and it's our responsiblity to make it happen.

-=- T

I swear, if any of youse guys slows down and starts messing with me at the back of the pack, I'm gonna...heck, I think I'll have fun racing. :D

No, I'm not in any way dissing this thread. Just trying to have fun, while sitting up here in Colorado, 1000 miles from a car that needs some work. Anybody want to go by my storage locker and change the oil, attach an oil cooler scoop, ...?

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Originally Posted by Todd Covini

So let's remember this noble discussion at future events and all agree to abide by the trackside investigation results and penalties handed out after the decisions, as outlined in the CCR, are made by NASA.

I'll be there for you if you have any questions or need an RFA form.

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TC, et al:

Two sides to this horse, one end has a prettier view. I feel that there was a high number of contact incidents at the last event. I am at fault for part of that high number. I am willing to accept the penalties as outlined in the CCR's and am NOT ASKING for anything less.

I don't do this out of some masochistic perspective, I do this because it's not important how many points I have but rather how the OTHER DRIVER FEELS ABOUT RACING WITH ME. If I were Nick I'd be going ballistic right now, he isn't a hot head loud mouth like me so he's been quiet about the issue and while I respect his demeanor I do not think he's getting a fair deal here. And I'm getting off easy due to a tragedy that weekend? Man, this end of the horse smells bad and that smell is on me too.

Now, with that said, if the situation was reversed and some other CMC driver slobberknocked me when I was ahead of him and had the right to the line I'd be jumping up and down screaming "foul" and expecting the CCR's to be applied as written. (sad how easy it is to imagine that scene huh?) ;)

I think most of us got into this Series and Class because we liked the way NASA spelled out the rules and handled contact by defining who is at fault and how it would be handled. Seems to me that in order to continue to discourage contact we need to have the CCR's applied equally and fully to EVERY contact incident as deemed appropriate by an IRB.

I mean, aren't we all trying to interpret the rules on our own already? That's lawyering for sure, 'cept we ain't gettin paid lol.

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Originally Posted by Todd Covini

Hear the sucking sound??? That's the vacuum left as the fun quickly goes away and we all become proficient race lawyers!

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That vacum sound is the sound of a body shop emptying a bank account.

No one is advocating no contact, period. We all know it will happen ... this is racing.

What I'm advocating is that if contact occurs from a bonehead move, then the consequences will be swift, just and public.

It's quite simple, actually.

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Originally Posted by Todd Covini

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Originally Posted by CMC17

If the penalties outlined in the CCR would be given to those type infractions, I bet we wouldn't see them anymore. There is not excuse for not paying attentin (myself included)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Reposition to last place (minimum)
- Passing under waving yellow and / or over-driving any yellow: Disqualification (minimum)

- Passing under a standing yellow or double yellow: Two (2) points
- Passing under waving yellow and/or over-driving any yellow: Three (3) points

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Excellent, Eric!!!
Now can anyone else in the class tell me what the CCR penalties are for over-agressive driving? ...for unsportsmanlike conduct??

Remember class, when the IRB meets, the CCR interpretations and decisions based on the facts are made by NASA,....not the racer. So as everyone is throwing stones, and demanding order in the court, some of you (not all) sincerely believe that "the other guy" was entirely at fault and "he should be punished"...which may or may not necessarily be the case. :wink:

So let's remember this noble discussion at future events and all agree to abide by the trackside investigation results and penalties handed out after the decisions, as outlined in the CCR, are made by NASA.

I'll be there for you if you have any questions or need an RFA form.

<Cheers!>

Your homework for the weekend will be to read the section on "Appeals Process", or in simpler terms, when you don't agree with the penalties that were imposed as outlined in the CCR. (That's a pretty clear, easy to read section as well.)

Hear the sucking sound??? That's the vacuum left as the fun quickly goes away and we all become proficient race lawyers!

The "New Norm" will prevent all of this and it's our responsiblity to make it happen.

-=- T

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ah.. very clear and no need for the /sarcasm on /sarcasm off as it was painfully apparent.

[quote="RichardP"]Of course the same ones complaining were the people who can tell you what color eyes the girl with big boobies working station three has. :roll:

I obviously need to pay more attention to station #3 during the April event. :lol:

<the above statement was meant as a joke>

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Originally Posted by cmarvel

I volunteer to lead a lunchtime (or dinnertime) discussion on situational awareness.

Please let me know if you are interested.

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Certainly!

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Originally Posted by mitchntx

What I'm advocating is that if contact occurs from a bonehead move, then the consequences will be swift, just and public.

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This bears repeating. Consequences from on-track incidents need to be very, very public. I'm not saying we need scarlet-letter treatment for the offenders, but the rest of the group needs to be made aware or and reminded that on-track behaviour is being scrutinized and acted upon.

If someone gets punished for passing under a yellow, other folks will be forced to review the race in their own mind and see if they did the something similar. Ideally , I'd like to see this done immediately after a race -- a debriefing session of sorts. Think of it as impound for all the drivers.