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Originally Posted by BlueFirePony
Got the heads back on, and everything else installed and wired up. Hit the starter, and she fired right up. Running good.
Installed new valve springs and lifters. Any break-in period needed for these additions, or straight to the track?
Just get a bunch of heat cycles on it. Start it up and let it heat soak for 30 minutes and kill it. Do it again the next day. 4-5 times shouldbe plenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by rleng1
Gonna need a new dyno?
Then change the oil. Light up the credit card and order some Motul 300V 15/50 from Bryce at Alamo.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
Got up at 5:15am and went to watch the Plaza Hotel implosion in College Station at the corner of University and Texas. It was 17 stories tall. It was the tallest privately owned structure in the city. Now there is a pile of rubble. It was pretty amazing to see.
Playing Devil’s advocate how do you (or anyone else) know who’s oil is the best?Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanL
I talked to Lake Speed Jr. at Joe Gibbs about what oil to run in my MOD motor and they have one that is a 5-20 that he says will hold up to Racing temps and such. The price is very high.
Here is the e-mail string.
Jerry,
Our new FR20 should be ideal for that application. It is a 5W-20, and it has a very high viscosity index to protect your engine under higher temps.
Thanks,
Lake Speed, Jr.
Certified Lubrication Specialist
Joe Gibbs Driven
13201 Reese Blvd, Suite 200
Huntersville, NC 28078
704-239-4401
On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:48 AM, "Jerry Jordan" <[email protected]> wrote:
I race in NASA’s Camaro Mustang Challenge series. This is road racing. I run a 2002 Ford Mustang with a 4.6 mod motor. We have to run stock engines and we are limited to 260 HP/310 TQ but we really push them hard and at high rpms for 30 to 45 minutes. Ford says to run 5/20 oil in this car as a street car but I worry about it in a racing situation. I don’t know the oil temps but I’m in Texas and I’m sure we are pushing 280-300 on hot days.
I would like to know what oil and at what weight I should run?
Thanks for your help.
Jerry
Who knows...I use Mobil 1 'cause I am lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowBolt
I gleaned a lot of knowledge (most of which I've since forgotten) when I worked for a company that specialized in extreme use lubricants (food, heavy industrial, motor sports). We sponsored a champion truck in the Baha series and also worked with some folks in the NASCAR truck series (Bodine for sure...don't remember who else).
I've been meaning to get with them about fluids for our car but just not been on top of my list.
I remember a time where one of the guys (I think Bodine) hit the wall at TMS, ruptured a line and bled all the oil out slowly through the race - did a tear down after the race and found not a single component was heat stressed beyond what they saw during a race with flowing oil. They came to our lab with some of the engine internals to show us how they looked and figured they ran at least the last quarter of the race w/o any oil flowing. This event actually preceded (and probably initiated) a competitor doing a info-mercial where they bled a car and ran it for (I think) 24 hours. From there, the claims got crazy...I think oil cures cancer now.
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Bobistheoilguy.com is the place to research oil.
I know what has worked for me and have had it analyzed so I will continue running Motul. I do think with what we do the oil we run and the weight is important. Some run cheap oil and change it more frequently. I will run it a full season and then have it checked by Blackstone. Some may change it midway and say they only change it to get rid of the contaminants. I have heard of guys running Mob 1 synthetic and changing it every saturday night of an event because it broke down so quickly but others run it without a problem. I feel the Motul I run doesn't break down from the heat as fast and the oil analysis support that. I'm not saying there are other oils out there that don't work well. I run Mobil 1 synthetic in my wifes Lexus and it has 251k without showing wear based on the last analysis at 247k. Rotella T6 synthetic goes in the duramax.
Joe Gibbs-I'm sure they have someone making a quality oil for them. I would always assume someone selling something to say they have something ideal for a particular application. I wouldn't run that weight oil in my race car but my understanding is Mod motors run a different weight/viscosity. Gibbs also makes an oil for the LS motors called LS30. It was recommended to English to run it. Though it is a 5/30 oil so I wouldn't put it in my race motor for a 45 minute race at Hallett.
I think anyone should monitor there cold/hot oil pressures and oil pressures during at a high rpm. That may tell you if you need to run a heavier oil or if your bearings may need to be replaced.
So you haven't run a full season on the same oil yet, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanL
Mobil 1 20W50 in my motor for the 5 seasons it was running. Changed it every two or three weekends and was only starting to see any problems with high rpm oil pressure. The rebuild will get a bearing clearance check and replacement if needed, new oil pump, and a Canton road race pan filled with Mobil 1 20W50. I was running a stock pan and just overfilled by 1 or 2 quarts until the pressure remained steady in high G turns. I'm afraid to change oils because I've seen a couple of people lose motors soon after doing so.
Yeah, I know, not very scientific or "engineery". Richard is probably rolling his eyes right now.
I love the infomercials where they drain the oil and run the car...
...because nobody uses hydraulic lifters any more..
I ran AmsOil 20/50 then 15/50 in my motor for 5 1/2 years before the balancer let go at Hallett. The pistons and cylinder walls looked perfect. I change the oil every 3 events.
08 and 09 I ran full seasons on the same oil. I change the oil/filter once a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoustonNW
Shane from Thunder racing was discussing the new LS30 from JGR. that too was the suggestion from lake Speed Jr. The JGR oils have more of the additives, and use a different base oil that doesn't break down under high rpm or high temperatures.
Base oils improve as they move from mineral oils to synthetics to olefans. The have different kinetic viscosities and are able to handle temperature in different ways. I'm sure that is the difference between Mobil to Motul and JRG oils.
Thunder racing actually suggested that a run Rotella through the motor to clean up any debris that may have gotten in the motor from the blown head gasket. I haven't seen any evidence, but ran it anyway.
Sounds similar to Redline's pitch. It'd be interesting to compare the base stocks used by the different brands marketed for racing. Wonder how many of them start off with the same stuff and just vary the additive package?
That site is just as full of unfounded, incorrect opinions as any other site.Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanL
I know the posts about my former employer on that site were largely exagerated - both to the good and the bad. The truth is in the middle - and the middle is vast.
The internet has two very sharp sides and has become quite the untamed beast . How many media outlets have been duped by wikipedia posts in the last couple years? Imagine the effect on the average Jane/Joe's accumulated knowledge...sigh...remember, blame Gore - he created the mess - I just helped make it worse...but I shall redeem myself - ala my new focus on games vs fact ;)
I was a little late heading out the door today knowing today was "the day." I watched the clouds move slowly across the morning sky, not really in a hurry. Last day of school for the kids and then down to Jamaica Beach for a week of nothing.
Kim and the kids were there when he was born; nothing more than a red sausage of a puppy, really. Before he came to live with us he had already suffered a horrible spider bite and nearly drowned. The white mark on his forehead made him easy to identify. Although his parents were called Liberty and Freedom, he would be Tex to us.
Or Mama's Baby, or Red Dog or Jungle Dog or Pig Dog when he snorted while he slept. He swam in the pool, chased the cats and squirrels and ruled the house. The tile in front of the fireplace was his spot so don't leave anything there. We still remember when he only took up two of those tiles and was not an 85lb lap dog.
He would fetch any of the chew toy "buddies" by name and wanted to wrassle on the floor most nights, if you could take it. Or get up on the end of the couch and pout when we all left him at home. When we left him outside we would often find him sitting in sun deck of pool, regal. Watching. Surveying. In charge of the back yard.
Kim had noticed some lumps in his throat that turned out to be cancerous - lymphoma, apparently not all uncommon in male Goldens. He made it through the chemotherapy well and generally was the dog we all loved.
The last two weeks were not kind. He had pretty severe swelling in a couple legs and was having a hard time getting up and down. He was not himself, and didn't eat or sleep well.
Today was "the day." As we left the vet it started to sprinkle a little. Serendipitous. He didn't like thunder and lightning but a soft, sad rain seems so appropriate. I sure miss that dog.
Goodbye my friend.
Goodnight, Tex.
D*mn allergies. Sorry for your loss, sounds like he'll be remembered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fbody383
Condolences David...tough day.
I am so sorry David!:-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Fbody383
Sorry to hear that David...very bad day indeed.
sending a prayer for you and your family brother Dave...
was contracted today to finish up a project car for a member of my church... Triumph TR8 with a Rover all alum small block v8 , holly carb and custom stainless headers... Sweet power in a tiny convertible... Wish I could test it at TWS but no roll bar... at least $8K in the motor alone... My task is to find a way to keep it cool, have you seen the front of this car??... much like a vette..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_TR8
Cool David... I have two Triumph TR7's... one I change to a Ford 2.8 V6 and the other I bought already with a Buick 231 V6.
Great handling cars....terribly built..... but fun to drive. I got my first one at 16 years old and I wore the backRoad of Paris road course out as a teenager. :D
I have the Buick powered convertible one apart painting it (slowly for over 2 years now).
Dave,
I'm sorry for your loss. Our little furry critters have a way to work their way into our family. Missed, but never forgotten.
Well, my Saturday plain sucked. Went down to the shop to put the final touches on the AI car. had it on the lift, installing the trans. Had the clutch cable already cinched up and that made the tranny impossible to get seated. So, I grabbed an aluminum ladder and climbed up to the engine bay. The tranny jack prevented me from lowering the lift. The ladder was a bit wobely so I figured I should get dow before I fell. Not two seeconds later, the ladder did just that with me 5 feet in the air. I grabbed for the car to hang on and proceeded to dislocate my right shoulder on the way down. I knew before I landed that it was dislocated. Took me a minute to figure out how to get up and over to the table to reduce the dislocation. Had it back in socket within a few minutes. Hung out with Michael for a few hours before heading to the ER, since I knew it was back in place.
History: This was my 5th dislocation, but sadly the first after surgery 14 years ago. I learned how to reduce my own shoulder dislocationafter #2 when I watched the Dr. in action.
Obviously racing is out for at least 6-12 weeks, assuming no surgery. If surgery is required, I'll be out 6 months.... I will be at Hallett to cheer everyone on... Yea!! Go Team!!
Just another lovely hand of cards to play in the exciting game of life.
This weekend wasn't too bad, just found out I am a slow fabricator, if I can call myself one. Got the motor plumbed up and ready for fluids, initial wiring, and first start next weekend.
This year has been just a little too "exciting" for you, sorry to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by marshall_mosty
Damn Marshall that sucks! Hope you get to feeling better soon. At least you didnt pull the car off the lift on top of you though!
Thanks for pointing out the bright side!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jdlingle
1 arm marshal? no problem. just get your bro to prep the car
suicide knob, all the old folks swear by them...
http://15.forumer.com/uploads/blindm...1267368031.jpg
run 4th gear only... hope we don't do an exit test... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by y5e06
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"suicide knob"?
When I was a kid we knew them as something else.
JJ
After I got Marshall's car back together and off the lift I got mine washed and waxed for next weekend. ;^)
Marshall, That sucks, hope you are feeling better. FMR
This... that sounds pretty painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra132
I know a guy that races one on the east coast - want me to pass your contact info (phone, email, etc?) over to him to see if he has any ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Love AI27
Went to orthopedic surgeon #2 today, who humbly said... "Shoulders aren't my thing". He did ask who I was talking to other than him and the two that I mentioned were highly recommended by him. He said they were both "shoulder experts". Made me at least feel good about who I have seen and who I will see on Monday.
Good thing is I am out of my sling during the day and have basically the same mobility as before the dislocation. I had a MRI yesterday, so should be able to figure out 100% what the damage was by the end of next week.
Marshall if you need a new ortho give me a call...I'm sure I have my frequent surgury punch card around here somewhere...he did my knee and shoulder surgeries - back to back season ending injuries...I had another right after that which I still have not had operated on...so you can use my punch card ;)
Instructed for Porsche Club at TWS (instead of playing at hallett :( ) ... but I did pilot the most insane car I've ever been in.
911 GT2 RS
Tuned (just shy of 700rwhp) and rocking Hoosiers
roughly 4.4lbs/hp :D
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...gt2rstrack.jpg
Of course I looked up the stats when I got home:
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