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Originally Posted by mitchntx
Just sell me a set of your RA1's and we can race each other every week.
JJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
Just sell me a set of your RA1's and we can race each other every week.
JJ
Alright guys, take it easy. Its far too soon after a race weekend to be having drama :wink:
All expectations half way through last year was that the 888 would be superior in lap times, so drivers would naturally want to switch. Toyo's own data bears that out. Unfortunately we've been seeing data saying the opposite. Now, maybe part of that is the cars in question are still primarily set up based on a long time of running RA1s (I'm talking roll rates, damping, etc, not tire pressure) so perhaps that difference in lap time will go away as people massage their setup. Regardless, the situation is people arent eager to change.
NASA's answer is the official answer from Toyo: no RA1s if you want points or Toyo Bucks after the 2nd weekend. I did talk to JWL this afternoon and asked him to discuss w/Toyo a short extension for Texas due to rain this past weekend. He said he'll discuss w/Toyo later this week. Now, my interpretation: dont bank on that. Toyo is a long time partner of NASA, and I'm sure both sides are keen to do what's best.
Given the immediate apparent disparity in lap times I dont think its realistic to think there is any alternative to enforcing 888s for points and bucks chasers unless JWL tells us otherwise. If the situation were reversed, with 888s clearly being immediately faster, I think the situation might be different.
Oh...about tire wear...those of you running 888s, how do they look? I have the first two weekends on my 275/17s. The first weekend I ran them far too low in air pressure, no telling what that did to wear. At this point I have one that looks pretty...tired, and three that look like they might make it through the next even.
If I make it through next event then I'll have gone from 1.5 sets per year to two sets per year. If not call it 2.5 sets per year. Given I didnt pay for shaving by running the 888s at full depth, that makes my annual tire budget grow by somewhere between $300 to $700 a year.
Others??
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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez
If your talking about me (drama) then you misread my post. I was just fooling with Mitch. I don't care what tire anyone runs as long as I get to go to the races and compete with everyone and enjoy the fellowship of a race weekend. I don't want to see any good tires (RA1's) thrown away.
JJ
That's a cheap shot buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I sold all my decent 1's in mid '08 (some of which you did the enduro on).
Used my T bucks to buy 8's for '09.
I had to buy many thin-to-win 1's to finish out the season.
One of them you put on my car (thx agn) at ECR.
I planned ahead just like some have with "the deuce" (but with a MUCH easier platform).
I'm cool tho, Al, chill.
jb
Al, regarding the 888 tire wear, Jeremy has 2 1/2 events worth of wear on his 888's (1 practice day and the 2 events this year).
The tread depth looks pretty good but the tires are worn a good amount on the outer edges. I think he is seeing the same issues many have noticed and were running the tires at too low a pressure.
I am totally speculating but I could see full treads lasting 4 events and 4/32nd shaves lasting maybe 3 events. Not near the life of an RA1 but alright, I guess.
As a comparison, my current set of RA1's I got at 3/32's and I have 3 1/2 events on them and they could probablly do 1 more.
To me, they wear as good if not better than the 1's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Fernandez
But mine are shaved.
Other than that, my lips are sealed. Get your own.
See you procrastinators at the next event :wink:
jb
What's the "Underhanded Deal Hotline" # again? :lol: :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
I thought we shut down that phone line.
Well it pisses me off that the rules seem to change at the drop of a hat and they change to where ever the wind blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffburch
It wasn't intended to be a cheap shot, but this God-like Toyo "contingency" is good for 15% of the racers. The rest are forced to buy an over-priced, under-achieving POS tire.
This time last year, 09 ... ALL OF 09 ... was supposed to be a transition year. So I made a prudent, fiscal decision to run 09 ... ALL OF 09 ... on scuffed and used RA1s.
3 reasons ...
A cheap tire to race on ...
A cheap transition to 17s ...
And let someone else do the R&D on pressures.
The propoganda then was the 888s would be a superior tire, but it didn't matter. We're just racing for a piece of pewter, right? Right?
Then the rule changed ... and changed again and now it's changed again, again.
JB, you just got caught in the cross-fire ... nothing personal.
Expect a bonfire of perfctly good RA1s in the paddock at TWS ...
If Tony can do it ... just leading by example. Good corporate puppet ... sit, boy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Covini