What Class for 2010 - Do over.

Geez, never fails...I'm away from the computer for 24hrs and I miss all kinds of drama! :lol:

For the record, I'm ok with allowing LT1/T56 swaps into 3rd gens personally. I'm not convinced that is something the general body agrees with, but I could be wrong. Please do let me know your thoughts so when this comes up Glenn and I can properly represent what you guys want.

I dont think that should be the only upgrade path for those 3rd gens though. Its a timing thing. I've you're at a point where you need a new motor and trans anyway it would look a lot different financially then if you're car is perfectly healthy and competitive.

Yes, getting 305s to experiment has been dreadfully slow. There is just not much the series directors have been able to do once our hands were tied. There are a couple in progress and lots of theory...having seen a 305tpi make 248/317 without headers I'm not convinced its impossible.

There is no agenda from a director's perspective to push cars one way or another. We want to have a complete package yes, but there is no push to get cmc cars up to cmc2. The driver's will decide that on their own.

If Texas gets down to needing cars in cmc to make Toyo bucks I will move back to cmc to help. I dont think, based on this thread, that this will be an issue for 2010.

Anyone that is unclear as to the history of this, why and how we got to where we are, why this was done over that...post a direct question or give me a call. :D

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Originally Posted by GlennCMC70

and if you want to blame anyone, blame JWL. this is his mandate to have all these cars in one class. understand that the people who YOU think is running the show, are not accually in control of it

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I have been in many organizations and I understand how it works. In NO way is my rant directed AT you or Al or Todd... it is directed THROUGH you all as directors, nothing personal. I would NEVER go over anyone's head on the local level because it would hurt your credibility as directors. Thanks for wearing the target and dodging and/or taking the bullets.

As for 20%... My goal is to build a 3rd gen CMC car for @$7,000. I paid $1,000 for the car and have many used parts from E-bay and from my AI car. If my budget is $7K and the only motor and tranny solution costs me $1,500, then it is 20% added to my build AND according to my financial statement it is 30% of my YTD income including the generous sponsorship I recieved.

Stock LS1 is going to make over 300/320. Restricted below 260 hp makes peak tq around 290 but in the high 280's on the 2 I have knowledge of. I have had mine down as low as 248 hp and unrestricted I think its 305/325 and that is with cats, single pipe with no muffler.

Anyone who wants to a zip file of a ton of my (some legal/some not) dynojet runs pm me an email address. I do request that you send me your files for comparisons sake. I still think everyone's dyno graph should have to be scanned and posted on the national site.

If LT1's are legal in 3rd gens then maybe I should hang onto my 93 Z. But anyone can buy it for 1,300. I'm not convinced that the 305 isn't the hot ticket in CMC2 with the allowed mods. I would rather have an extra 15 tq and be down 10 on hp.

Al makes his point the same way he made it to me for his 4 piston brakes. If a guy has a early 4th gen and needs to upgrade to ls1 brakes then its not a huge increase in money to upgrade to 4 pistons.

#39 will likely be CMC for '10. Competiveness seems to be more driver and setup, not engine output related.

What are the dollars we're talking to spec and build a 305 motor? The real exposure is the development cost minus recoupment costs; are there enough folks in the series nationally to spread that around?

Not a big fan of socialing costs of anything, but it is OUR series.

Where is the data of what's been tried? I would be glad to talk to my engine guy about potential combinations. The answer is out there if we have enough people turning rocks.

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#39 will likely be CMC for '10. Competiveness seems to be more driver and setup, not engine output related.

What are the dollars we're talking to spec and build a 305 motor? The real exposure is the development cost minus recoupment costs; are there enough folks in the series nationally to spread that around?

Not a big fan of socialing costs of anything, but it is OUR series.

Where is the data of what's been tried? I would be glad to talk to my engine guy about potential combinations. The answer is out there if we have enough people turning rocks.

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post these questions up on the national site since that is the level at which this is being worked on.

[quote="Fbody383"]#39 will likely be CMC for '10. Competiveness seems to be more driver and setup, not engine output related.
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Francie-you might want to rethink that comment. Setup isn't any different and the power change doesn't make much of a difference at all. Just ask the LT1 guys after they pulled their restrictors. For ECR how about you run one day without your restrictor and see if you are any quicker. I've got a 100 bucks that says you aren't a second quicker.

cmc

CMC2

Seriously? I thought the rolling R plaque was destined for AI?

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Originally Posted by Al Fernandez

Seriously? I thought the rolling R plaque was destined for AI?

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Dude he already kicked my AI butt during track days... time for you CMC 2 guys to get a taste... you guys are screwed... 2010 your all gonna be chasin' Sam and fightin' for 2nd.. bets anyone??? I'll even give odds...