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the poor health of your motor is your problem. my motor was a 80K junkyard salvage that made 280/320hp/tq unrestricted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fbody383
at CMC numbers it made 230/285 up to early 2007 and i did just fine.
fresh valve springs made JP's motor wake up. your motor is the only one i know of LT1 wise that has issues making power.
Matt - being in the works for two years does not mean there was a solution being worked on. the series directors had solutions in progress and NASA National killed those plans that took months to get going. we sat back and waited to see how thier plan worked out (gave them enough rope to hang themselves) and suddenly they are wanting to play ball w/ us this year.
if this was my full time job, that answer would have been found a long time ago. it isnt, so it hasnt. it takes time. there are so many things about CMC/CMC-2 that you know nothing about. i wonder why you act as though you know more than you do.
Don't know what you are referring to me not knowing Glenn but figuring out how to make X horsepower from Y motor is usually a call to a cam grinder, a few forays onto platform specific forums like LS1.com etc....a hammer of a gavel and done. Sorry if I am asking kindergarten questions as to why the "brains" can't figure elementary shit out in the last 2 years. Maybe there are too many brains involved....?Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
the motor issue has been beat to death, i'm not even addressing that.
its the "2 years" comment. dont blame the Regional or even National Directors for this. from your POV it may appear to be our/their fault, its not. much more to the story than you know.
Not placing blame... I understand the progression... as a racer you always want to have more power and to go faster, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
What I saw was the frustration on the part of (some not all) 4th gen and sn95 guys when they had to choke their motors but not wanting to spend big bucks and move up to AI, thus CMC2. Then the 3rd gen and fox guys wanting to move up with their fellow competitors.
A few year back there were not as many sn95s and 4th gens reasonably priced donor cars so it wasn't as big of an issue. things have changed. nowadays 3rd gens and foxes are either classics or junk, so the natural progression is to buy the "newer" cars.
In addition, I see the safety issue with added horsepower and the need for bigger brakes and suspension mods for better car control, thus bigger wheels/tires.
Maybe NASA should have looked at the dying AIV and changed it to CMC(V) for the "vintage" 3rd gens and foxes... seriously
I don't envy the Directors. I was a director and president of a softball league for many years and understand dealing with the emotions of a competitive group. EVERYBODY wants to win or you wouldn't be doing it. Hats off to you guys.
I think James has proven that there are no changes required when moving from cmc to cmc2 other than a bit more power.
Same wheels? check
Same tires? check
Same cooling? check
Same brakes? check
Most wins, most top 5s, and TX Regional Champ? check!
Its 30hp, its not an entirely different league.
Unfortunately as long as we have multiple engines and platforms some will have to choke down to a common point. Some will have to add weight. Thats the nature of pushing the many to a point of equality.
What the uninitiated dont appreciate is how wonderful it is to go to the dyno with a stack of restrictors and roll off on the numbers. Personally, for ammateur level road racing, I think restricting down to a common number is TONS better than mixing and matching parts to the highest possible. Case in point, CMC champs often run junkyard motors. Spec MIata champs run $20,000 Rebello motors. Take your pick!
before I agree... do you want to edit yours and I'll delete mine 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Fernandez
Cuz I will... otherwise I like 230 for aLL
Fine; but resolving it for either class may, or may not, be inexpensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
If I raced a 3G car I could take that sentiment to be "your poor choice of platform is your problem."
If we're spending somebody else's money, there is A potential solution for the 3G cars that feels generally like CMC, just crossing generational boundaries.
And I was this --><-- close to owning a 3G car.
fair enough. but realize there are no LT1 motors i know of that have power issues except yours. if more of them had the same problem, then yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fbody383
plate size and hp/tq numbers again please?
Al, two or three BIG series use the system I mentioned and it works....no reason to try and reinvent the wheel with 6 captains on the bridge asking "what do the racers want?". If you have ever seen a goat rodeo, it isn't fun to watch, even from the cheap seats. Get on a horse and ride it already and put all this "shoo didley" behind...Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Fernandez
In those series, there are big budget teams and small budget teams and the "performance adjustments" in weight or tire size, or rpm range work...for the guys outperforming the little guys. Besides, I thought this was "YMCA racing" and not the SCCA?