its the Fords that are the problem w/ the 17" wheels and 13" brakes.
the LS1 4th gens all came w/ 12" brakes and 16" wheels.
but i hear what your saying.
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its the Fords that are the problem w/ the 17" wheels and 13" brakes.
the LS1 4th gens all came w/ 12" brakes and 16" wheels.
but i hear what your saying.
Yes, semantics dude. semantics. Main point being that merging CMC and CMC2 will only move it in the opposite direction of being a cost effective series. If someone did figure out a cost effective way to do it, I would be truly interested in reading the implementation plan.
Currently it takes 10 pages of crap to get parties to agree that something should even be looked at for possible adjustment. The idea for adjustments only seems to sit well with the party asking for the changes. Simply human nature, nothing more. With that said, just how in the world would after market parts and weight penalties be implemented? How are after market parts be tested for allowance? Which ones become legal? Blah, blah... <---- Rhetorical questions to provoke thought, not arguement. Any adjustment recommended for one gets profusely protested by the other as not needed and nothing gets accomplished. I just think it's better left alone.
rb
I love the rules the way they are :roll:
Next subject (do some of you guys have too much time on your hands..).
Tony Guaglione
Taken from this thread
http://www.camaromustangchallenge.co...r=asc&start=45
Here are a few threads from the nat. site that may be of interest.
http://www.camaromustangchallenge.co...=cmc2&start=15
http://www.camaromustangchallenge.co...highlight=cmc2
Man-all this drama over my little aluminum engine. I like Mosty's attitude. My rookie plate is coming off and I'm going to break out at Hallett :lol:
Lots of posts to touch upon so I will work backwards.
Boudy-good to hear you are fixing the car up as you are missed around the track. I find it interesting that you spent $3,400 on a rebuilt 5.0. What if you could have just bought a new Ford crate motor (if there was such a motor approved for CMC2) for the same price and sold your old stuff? Might have been nice to have that option if you wanted to run CMC 2.
I agree that everyone would like to know what the long term plans are but I wouldn't worry about CMC going away unless the powers that be screw up the rules. I don't think the directors really know what is going to happen and are using the current CMC2 rules to have some data that can be used to develop the class.
I'm looking forward to hearing Mitch's experience at hallett with the 275's.
I think the upgrading brakes is a little overrated. It was added to the CMC2 rules because of the weight we are required to run. I believe they made it legal to upgrade brakes as a cost effective measure over the long haul.
Ok-I'm tired of typing-take over Mitch.
Timing is everything .... :lol:
Semantics and perspectives ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boudy
As the owner of a Fox, yes, it might cost a few zeros to be percieved as competitive.
But the owner of an LSx based car has to choke his platform down to the point of it not running right and cause potential problems.
I can see where you and Adam DON'T want it because it's money form YOUR pocket. I can see where Bryan is coming from because it's money coming from HIS pocket.
So, main point being, if it costs a person cash, it's a bad thing to do.
I think what is happening is not what is good (or bad) for a specific group of racers, but what is good (or bad) for the series, long term.
Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
:D
Yeah! What they said...
I didn't want to feel left out.
Glad to see you got some scripts DD. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by donovan
Mitch, I'm just another dumb Ford guy... ask Boudy!
I understand why CMC2 was built, but why not change the name of it... (if they decide not to join the two)... Only reason I say this is because CMC2 is burned into our minds as a temporary class name. Although that sounds childish, it is a solution that would ease some of the pain of splitting... again if they decide it's not financially possible to group both classes.
Something like CMC G2 for generation two or American Muscle Challenge, or CMC 2K or CMC-M for millenium or GDM, for Glenn's Da Man!
On a lighter side, I sure am glad I have a car that can run both classes!
All you hosers just need to quit your bitch'n and just run AI!!! :lol:
You are all fighting to make things equal...in AI, we don't care about equal, just don't make us spend more money for no reason! :wink:
Don't think i don't know what you meant by that......A$$!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Gunter
Correct, I'm in for what's good for CMC's long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I just believe that a major reorg driving up the cost of a few and/or all platforms in CMC for the sake of a single class is bad for CMC in the long run. It's not about Adam, Bryan, myself, or any other racer at this point, it's about the big picture.
Bryan: Actually I spent about $1,800 on a rebuilt 5.0. The rest was spent on Cobra crap to close the gap between 208 HP and 230 HP due to a rules change. In reality, a $250 Ford Motorsports camshaft would have done the same thing. But that's a different thread...
Today is travel day. I hope to be home for a few weeks as I've only spent 8 days there in the last 10 or so weeks. I'm hoping to make Hallett.
Got a plane to catch. Later,
rb