Supplemental regs are up, looks like registration opens at noon, Friday the 24th.
http://nasatx.us3.list-manage.com/tr...c&e=3e55e49fab
So who's going?
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Supplemental regs are up, looks like registration opens at noon, Friday the 24th.
http://nasatx.us3.list-manage.com/tr...c&e=3e55e49fab
So who's going?
I'm in pending decent turnout in CMC. Interested to hear who else is going???
I'm in. I'm willing fork up an initial $500 for a garage if three other people want to split it with me. There is definitely enough room for 4 cars.
I'm planning on getting a garage with:
1. Me
2. Jerry/Jay
3. Brian L.
4. Mark Smith
I am interested in a 1/4 share in a garage
Dennis Tanker
Looks like enough people are in for me to be in, didn't want to run if there were less than 5.
I may be interested in a garage. Is anyone going to do the Friday practice too? I have never driven at COTA.
I should be in to split a garage
Also in to split a garage
I'm in. Can't miss this one!
I really hope it's worth all the extra money. Certainly have to run it one time but maybe it's a one time deal for Jay and I. I know it's a nice place but over three times what we usually pay? I don't see how one race weekend at COTA could be better than one race at Hallet, one at TWS and one somewhere else.
JJ
Yeah this is a one time deal for me too. If this event is on the calendar for the same price next year I likely wouldn't do it.
Yeah I feel ya, might be a one time deal for me too. I paid $850 for COTA a few years ago, this was for 3 days, Friday/Sat/Sun.
NOLA is a nice place too and I think I paid $280 for the weekend last year.
That being said, this is the nicest track in the country and an absolute pleasure to drive. NASA is in a good position here, supply vs demand and I bet they will fill up every spot even at $1200 because of the hype.
Hopefully once that dies down the costs will come down a bit but not significantly unless they drop the track rental price.
My math is fuzzy here but I figure group limit of 50 cars, 7 groups, 350 people.
$420k
Figure 1/2 that many people for the TnT, another $100k.
Track rental was $50k/day last I heard so $150k for that, figure $50k for op expenses,
$50k in instructor discounts.
$250k net profit? Maybe we will see reg drop a bit in the future if these numbers are remotely correct.
Also keep in mind this will be the safest event you will likely ever be a part of, that is a huge consideration for me, it could make the difference in life or death, huge runoffs, safe walls if you hit them, etc.
Hard to put a price on that kind of safety. The "damage" costs are initially off putting, but if you consider a few grand in damage vs a 100k hospital bill + pain and suffering, it's a damn deal.
In the meantime, I am going to call my guy in Columbia and have him ship me some bricks so I can make this happen :)
I saw the price and was surprised. It would definitely be fun to race and I probably would pay up for it once also, but an event 3x times as much as others seems out of line.
It's a great place. we've been there enough that the gee whiz has worn off. I think we'll wait and see what the format is going to be before comitting.
NOLA is a nice place too and I think I paid $280 for the weekend last year.
Apples and oranges, NOLA cannot Compare with COTA.
Invite your friends and family, watch their response to having the run of the F1 paddock and getting close to the cars at COTA.
That being said, this is the nicest track in the country and an absolute pleasure to drive. NASA is in a good position here, supply vs demand and I bet they will fill up every spot even at $1200 because of the hype.
COTA is 500/day to get on track minimum in any other venue.
Track rental was $50k/day last I heard so $150k for that, figure $50k for op expenses,
$50k in instructor discounts.
$250k net profit?
I don't know diddly shit about insurance, required track crew, concessions, etc....
Also keep in mind this will be the safest event you will likely ever be a part of, that is a huge consideration for me, it could make the difference in life or death, huge runoffs, safe walls if you hit them, etc.
Avoid hitting anything....... This track is a well engineered for safety, but, make no mistake, this is a big boy F1 track
I am no expert here, I've been on the track twice. The cost is in line with a national event, If your car is up to snuff for sustained wide open high gear driving, pull the trigger. JMHO
I agree, that's why I followed with the next sentence. (NOLA is nice, COTA is nicer)Quote:
Originally Posted by dtanker65
Some are less per day if you do 3 days but consider this.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtanker65
Chin for example is $500/day for 210 mins of track time per day.
In this case we are looking at 80 mins for $600
$7.5/min vs $2.38/min
I am simply pointing out to everyone that says they will only do this once that the prices may drop in the future. NASA obviously has higher op expenses than Chin in this example, staff, dinner, etc.
My point here was that the fact that this is such a safe place makes it worth the money, exactly, don't hit anything, but if you do, you will be glad you did it at COTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtanker65
I enjoy the discussion Tyler. I guess my point of view is that I would like to compete at the national level eventually and having to travel to one of the coasts to be competitive on a pre-lawyer pro track, against the local guys that run there every month, is going to be a pretty tough proposition without a serious financial commitment.
If COTA is the success I expect it will be, I would like to start talking about a variation of Aaron's sentiment. Instead of East and West nationals, we would have East, West and Central semi-finals with a single championship race for the top semi finishers.
that would make it a REAL national championship!
So I was just looking at that other racing organization page for their Majors event at COTA. Some differences in the events. No test day.
2 hour and 10min of completion time per class over 3 days includes practice, qualifying, and racing. $875.00 entry fee $950.00 day o the race. $1400.00 per garage for 3days.
Great discussion folks! I know the $$$ is a huge determining factor and I'm so happy that some of y'all are even willing to give it a go. My goal is to put on an event so good that people look forward to it every year. The pricing model will become clear when you guys see the schedule and some more communication from the region in the near future.
-WF
I'll just wait for Jerry's mandatory in-car camera, as the 24 passes him.
I'm going to make sure I'm in front of the computer at noon to register just in case there is a huge rush. I can grab a garage.
Did we want to coordinate on who gets a garage? So far from this thread I see:
Mosty
Team Jordan
Leinart
Mark
Patel
Jander
Gardner
Records
Tanker
McSpadden?
Who else?
I am going to be in front of the computer too. I figure the entry slots will go quick based on what Aaron said. Any idea about the garages though? There a lot of them, I would definitely like a 1/4 share in our group.
This will probably the only event I make this year. I'm open to splitting a garage, if not I'm good camping out under an EZ-up.
Only one person needs to register for a garage ($500) and then will need to "rent" the other spaces out to whomever they choose. I'm covering the garage I'm in, so there is no need for Jerry, Brian, and Mark to do anything garage related at registration.
I am good registering for one, but I'm a bit confused, is it $500 for the event or per day?
$500 for the whole weekend. All other racing orgs are charging $500/day for these. I know it's expensive, but let this be proof we're not trying to beat anybody up on pricing, I'm trying to put on a sustainable event for us to enjoy at the US F1 track year after year.
You'll also notice our schedule has twice the amount of track time as the event one month before us. I didn't think any of our regulars would be interested in $800 for 5 sessions over 3 days with no test day.
PS I've been a budget racer my entire life and I do think and very much care about my fellow budget drivers.
#byaracerfortheracers :)
Thanks for the support everybody.
Will I don't see a big difference. You said another group got five sessions for $800.00. I see us paying $1200.00 for three races and two qual sessions.
I'm glad you secured COTA for us but my guess is that very few of us will be willing to pay this kind of money year after year. Now you may not need us budget racers and you may sell out every year. I hope after we run that we all think it's worth twice what we are going to pay but I'm not holding my breath.
JJ
You'll also notice our schedule has twice the amount of track time as the event one month before us. I didn't think any of our regulars would be interested in $800 for 5 sessions over 3 days with no test day.
Where is this schedule posted?
Can anyone explain to me why TT and HPDE get 4 sessions a day of 95 minutes, and racers get 3 sessions a day of 75 minutes?
Registered right at noon, got into AI, but was not able to get a garage. Hopefully others had better luck and I am up to split a space.