Who is planning to make Cresson? If you can also post what tire you are going to use that would be awesome.
Azenis
Josh
Dan
Records
Heather
Toyo
Leinart
Dustin
Michael
Jander
Jerry
Pranav
Al
Aaron
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Who is planning to make Cresson? If you can also post what tire you are going to use that would be awesome.
Azenis
Josh
Dan
Records
Heather
Toyo
Leinart
Dustin
Michael
Jander
Jerry
Pranav
Al
Aaron
I'm in. I guess I'll be on old Toyos if yall are running that tire.
I should be there running on RR's that we ran at COTA.
Jerry
I'll be there on Toyo's.
I do not have a problem buying a set of Azenis if we are going to all use them at least until the one set is worn out. Is NASA going to have an issue with this?
JJ
Hoping to make this one. If I do, it'll be on RRs as I already own them.
Anyone bringing sticker RR’s?
I'll be at Cresson. Assume per the rules that if we run the RT615K+ tires we'll all be considered as 'fun running?'
I think so, everyone kind of gets hurt for not running the same tires, Toyo contingency field and competitors drops for those on Toyo's, the others have to just have a "side" race, no class points, no awards, etc.
If we could get a large majority on the other tire I bet we could make it the official race group.
I'm planning to come and have RR's from Cota as well but I think the ones I ran at Cota I also ran at Hallett-have to check. I'm very interested in the other tire but with ECR being out if I ordered a set I would prefer them to be what I run at Hallett.
I agree. I would like to use up my old six heat cycle RR's at Cresson then if everyone agrees I have no issue showing up at Hallett with the Falkens.
To really see how these Falken tires work I would think we would want everyone running them every time we are on track at Hallett (or where ever we all are running them).
JJ
I think we are a long way away from every competitor having an agreement to run street tires at an event. (Whether it be Cresson, Hallett, or wherever) We are having this discussion for a budget reason and I just don't want people spending money for tires when someone could show up with RR's and be way faster.
We need to do lots more discussions, research, etc with CMC and NASA if we want to see about a massive rule change proposition moving forward. This would be way bigger that even CMC on a national level, it would need an overall NASA approval to become official.
I love the discussion but just don't want us to get ahead of ourselves.
The racing at Hallett is excellent. With multiple regions in attendance it's probably better to stick to RRs. It's the annual AI/CMC National Championship Part 1 after all.
- Josh
Does anyone want to run the 200TW TT group at Cresson on 615K+ and compare back to back with RR's? Would give the ability for us to assess the different tires and not tip over the Toyo apple cart by showing up as defectors on different tires. That will mean I'm buying a new set of RR's for Cresson but they would be my COTA tires.
I'll show up to practice with 10HC tires and the others are stickers, the ~30 HC tires on the car now likely won't make it through my next local practice.
Just to make the tire situation even more interesting:
I can't find anyone that has 275/40/17 RR's in stock, hahahaha.
I think the falkens would be allowed in AIX, as would the other CMC cars who wanted to play... Just sayin.
I'm going for the AIX regional championship this year. :p :p :p
- Josh
Here's a shocker but I disagree and don't think we are getting ahead of ourselves but that we may already be behind. I find your comments somewhat interesting in light of the NASA Texas press release for the Vorshlag Street Tire Time Trial Championship. https://nasatx.com/nasa-texas-and-vo...-championship/
“We are excited to partner with NASA Texas on this Texas only experimental Street Tire TT sub category! The 200 treadwear tires are longer lasting and very capable and brings the biggest cost in racing down. I think we can bring in some new TT competitors while keeping the core classes, unchanged, so contingencies remain.
Appears there are more people running 615's than RR's for the next event. I lean towards giving them a try as well as I hate the cost/disparity with our current tire. We can run whatever tire we want in AIX so we don't need NASA approval. With more people running them we have more research and discussion doesn't really do as much as if all the competitors decide they want to make a change. Yes at Nationals you would have to run a Toyo to run CMC but I don't think our class would have been any different if we were all in AIX gridded behind three high powered missiles with everyone on a 615 or whatever.
I know where your concern comes from but a little ironic you don't want people spending money on tires when they are sick and tired of spending so much money on tires already. Enough people (me included) think it's a big enough issue that they may be willing to give it a try. I just don't see the harm in it when they are spending almost the same money as they would on 2-3 RR's that are only podium capable in the first 5 heat cycles.
You are bringing up being "official" versus what we want to do and as the customer if we all want to do something then either NASA will accept our entry or tell us to go race elsewhere. I find this attitude a little interesting after seeing the NAS
If you think we are already behind, then that is your opinion.
I'm sorry I am not up to date on the NASA Texas press release for the Vorshlag Street Tire Time Trial Championship.
All I was saying is that if this is a "CMC" concern, the only tire legal for CMC currently is a Toyo RR or RA1. Anyone is more than welcome to put on whatever tire they want and run AIX.
Your last sentence got cut off but I am curious how you feel my attitude is a "little interesting".
Not that my opinion means anything here since I am not currently racing, but I think everyone has a point here from both sides.
1. The RR is not a great tire for CMC. Overpriced and doesn't work well with a budget minded series. No one likes to get beat specifically by another persons wallet.
2. However, for racing CMC... it is your only option. You could all agree to race AIX regionally, but not everyone would do it.
3. This group can't just decide to change tires since it is a national class. I think Michael agrees with you that the RR is not the ideal tire, but some folks switching and some not is not a great solution either. While it is easy to say everyone should change, the reality is much more difficult and some wouldn't do it.
4. I am not sure NASA gives a crap that you don't like the tire... they are getting paid by Toyo.
Speaking of the Toyo RR shortage, is anyone else still getting old date code 2017 tires?
Was pretty pissed that my new set for MSRH was deep into 2017. Did they just make a whole bunch in 2017 and stop making them?
Also to further the pressure on NASA, we can put a petition together and send it on up.
We're competitors and customers, not like they can fire us.
I'll be on Toyos btw;
Need to cool it with the expenses but if this azenis thing gains traction maybe I'll be in on it at COTA as I'll need a new set then.
I am surprised at the shortage of RR's. I've never had trouble finding them. Just checked tirerack and they show fewer than 3 with additional due 2/22.
Of course all we have are our opinions but appears people outside our series have already taken action for some similar reasons and people here are ready to give something else a try because what we have now isn't working.
Yes, this is a CMC concern as we are required to run a Toyo but we have the option in AIX of running any tire we want which makes it pretty easy for people to all move to that class with the only change being the tire. We don't really have any AIX cars in Texas that I'm aware of so doesn't seem like we would be bothering that class any and could still have an AIX regional championship. Is there still any prize money for regional champions? I don't find any Toyo contingency info. on the nasaproracing?
Last sentence I moved to the top "interesting" to give the link to the Time Trial class within a class on a 200TW tire. We won't know until we try and do the research. I don't think this would be the first time in CMC we have discussed having an agreement to run a certain tire during the 888/RA1 debacle.
If I l find that I need a set of tires for Cresson I'll be on 615's. I still may get a set for Cresson and save the old set of RR's I have for Hallett.
No RR's or two year old RR's is a bit of the icing on the cake.
Yeah, they can actually.
In reality they would likely offer to move you and your CMC non-compliant car to a different group where you were compliant, i.e. open tire group.
It may be Hallett before I'm back on track with the group, but my $0.02 is I want to run in the biggest group. If that's under-prepared AIX, fine by me.
Speaking of NASA firing us, they already lost half of the spec miata field with the nationals fiasco.
At the same time DE registration was very high, maybe in a few years they will be a DE business like drivers edge? I’m sure Scca would work with us if we had to go that route.
The Nationals Spec Miata deal was really bad. Greatest drive I have ever witnessed in person shot all to hell.
JJ
Soooo...I'll be at cresson. Hopefully with a car, definitely on Toyos.
Guys,
Simple approach is to have everyone who wants run an alternate tire is to register as AIX and not engage with racing "true" CMC cars which are fully compliant to the class rules (running RR's or RA1's).
However, please bear in mind that TX is one of the only regions that has a healthy CMC field and if all the car "disappear" to AIX, there might be an un-expected consequence on the national level as CMC entries around the nation is struggling.