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Looks to be the same as our previous event.
Two 20 min. rolling start races on Saturday.
One 40 min. standing start race on Sunday.
Repeat schedule...stay tuned for the NASA TX broadcast!
-=- Todd
PS- You Dallas boys will likely get out of there early for your drive home!
Todd, look forward to seeing your smiling face :)......that sounds good to Scott and I..one question how does the points work on the 40 minute ride is it double?
ya'll have a great weekend
Skip
Chris McCombs are you going to be there?
Hope so
any chance of doing double points for the double length race? the loss of a race each event is jacking w/ the drop ratio.
The drops are percentage based, nothing should change.
I see no reason to make it a double points race.
David D.
the % is the same, but the number of races you can drop does change. 20% of 100 is 20, 20% of 50 is 10. after the next event, we will have run 14 races. but before the season started the # of races planned to run @ the same point was 16. @ this rate if you miss more than 4 races, you will have to carry a zero in your points. basically there is no missing a weekend and planning to use them as drops cuase if you do and then @ some point in the year if you have a machanical issue and miss a race not being able to drop it cause your out of drops causes you to be out of the points chase for the championship.
my quick math shows that if we use the single 40 sunday format for the rest of the year, we will get 4.6 drops. i'm sure that rounds to 5 drops. @ the beginning of the year i had 6 (5.6) drops planned based off a 28 race year. that gave me 2 races to cover mechanical issues for drops and a full weekend for drops if "life gets in the way".
thats all i'm saying. my car does better over a 40 minute race anyways.
Todd,
Is there no way to turn Sunday Qual into R3 and also have the 40 minute R4?
Starting positions for R4 can be finishing positions from R3?
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Originally Posted by marshall_mosty
What sets the grid for R3 if no qual??
jb
Only issue I have with this is that TOYO can't get us tires....Vilven hasn't had them for 3 or 4 weeks and doesn't expect them to be here for another 3 or 4 more.... I have 6 tires in my stock, 4 of which where thrashed pretty hard in the 40 minute last event.
Not too worried about this but after two more 20's, these tires will be hurt'n after that 40 minute!
I am also not a big fan of drops. I realize they are great for mulligans but a true champion is one that is there at every race and does well in EVERY race. I wouldn't mind seeing the drops get dropped! I know however that by saying this, I will have a mechanical and miss 4 races!! :oops:
As for an R3 sunday morning, don't the TOYO buck races HAVE to have a qualifying session? Easiest way to do it is pull qualifying for R3 from the finishing order of R2.....
Just a few numb thoughts.....
......and R2 is an invert so that wont work.Quote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
jb
The total amount of races per season has never been a garantee. That is why the drops are a percentage and not set number. We had this problem back in 2004.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennCMC70
David D.
yes your right David, but we were told that in regards to not racing the 4th race due to time related issues, not pre-planning a 3 race weekend. like i said, i'm not opposed to this @ all as my car does well w/ a 100% full tank and i seem to chase rabbits better than being a rabbit.
i asked before and i would like an answer better than "cause we aint". why no double points for a pre-planned 40 minute race? we are running 2 races in one. we are running twice as long or longer. if its cause its not fair to those who dont show response, thats a non-issue. they would miss out on the same points if its a 40 minute double points or if its 2 20 minute single points. its the same number of available points for the weekend. a double points race (only for 40's is what i'm proposing) would also widen the gap between the amount of points given per place.
i just want a reason why it not a good idea. come-on, play devels advicate w/ me. :twisted:
I hear ya... and agree. :lol:
My consern is not the people that don't show... its the same points as you stated.
My issue is there have been times when I needed a second chance... being that race 3 something went wrong and I was able to fix/repair/regroup and come back in race 4 and get some good points...
Either way I am fine, I just prefer single points.
I will be happy either way! :D
Keep in mind that the points in AI are alot different than CMC, we stand alot to lose with double points!!! Maybe you CMC guys could do double points and AI stays single points!
Its all good 8)
I brought this up before, but no one listened!!!!
here is the solution for getting in four races. Forget practice... who really needs it!?
SATURDAY:
1st Session: Qual 1 for race 1
2nd Session: Race 1 20 min rolling start regular starting order (qual for cont $)
3rd Session Race 2 20 min inverted rolling start based on Q1
4th Session Qual 2 for race 3
Sunday:
5th session: Race 3 20 min rolling start based on Q2
6th session: Race 4 40 standing start base on Q2
We get 2 qualifing sessions, 4 races with two that qualify for Contingency $ (R1 and R3) and we get out early on Sunday. I you feel you need some practice time then do like me and pay an extra $30 and drive in one of the HPDE sessions.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS????
good point David, i dont know enough about AI points.
Welcome to my worldQuote:
Originally Posted by David Love AI27
Those that don't have blinders on, use ear plugs.
I seem to recall that our first session on Saturday (normally a practice) was a shared session with another group?
Maybe I've got it all wrong but that might prove difficult to qual if there is another group out on track with us.
10 points between first and second and them 5 points each till 70 for 6th... then it one points each...
1 100
2 90
3 85
4 80
5 75
6 70
7 69
8 68
9 67
10 66
Kind of hard to catch up with the large spread...
Mike,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell
This is not aimed at you BUT... I hate "maybe"s and I know you are not the one to give a definitive answer to this particular question, I want a REAL answer.
Since I'm always late and miss the morning practice... who goes out with us?
How did MM do? (NOT Michael OR Marshall Mosty)
TBH, I hate the "maybe" also but as you stated I don't make decisions - I just bitch about the decisions once made ;)
Last event they had group 8 on track with us during Saturday practice (I think - memory isn't that good these days). Mylaps.com shows SUO, SUU, HC1, GTS, and GTS3 practice times in the group with us from that event.
I agree that it will be very difficult to qualify well with the mixed group that includes anything other than CMC and AI. Saturday's practice is going to be very important to me due to all the changes made to CMC17.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell
I like single points and I like my Practice
I use the practice to setup the car and tune the suspension.
New car needs all the practive it can get!
I vote to eliminate all practice and we have triple points races! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by chicane23
And no Drops!!! Besides, practice is SO overrated. Heck, let's just use the finishing order from the last race to determine positions and just start saturday at 8:30am with Race 1!!! I am game right now! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by donovan
A few things to keep in mind:
- 1. As David Donovan mentioned, there has never been a guarantee regarding the number of races we will run on any given weekend/season. The reasons surrounding how many races we run/don't run is irrelevant.
2. We will continue to use a percentage for the number of drops per season. This allows us to maintain consistency. Citing a specific number of drops, as we did in 2004, proved to be a problem.
3. Drops will always be a part of our series procedures. This is club/amateur racing. As such, we have to be flexible in providing people the ability to drop races/weekends throughout the year for various reasons.
4. Sunday's 40min R3 will be a single points race. While it's twice as long as our usual 20min race, we don't wish to change the points structure part way thru the season - it's been made clear to the series directors that the racers don't like last minute changes. We can address this at our banquet for next season.
5. Regarding weekend schedule changes - we have to remember that AI/CMC isn't the only group NASA Texas has to be concerned with. There are 6-8 other groups that all get track time as well. They've been flexible and accomodating, but we can't go overboard with last minute changes to the schedule. Again, it's been made clear the racers don't like last minute changes.
6. See you folks at the track in a few days! :)
What's that smell? FRESH MEAT out on the track!!!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
8)
Adam, I am in agreement with 100% of your comments....however, with regards to Item 4...who is dictating the format/number of races for the weekend. Last time I spoke with Clifton at lunch on Sunday, his comment was "don't sweat it, this is going to be the ONLY 40 minute AI/CMC race this year.." Seems as something has changed.....but I do like the fact they sent it out a week ahead of time. Hope my Toyos don't explode! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg
I have no way of determining tire wear this weekend.... tires are 100% slicks. I guess if I get into the cords, that is too far!
They did? I miss it somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
Weekend race format is decided between NASA Texas and the series directors. We have input to the schedule, but they make the final decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
Sorry Mike, I stand corrected. The FORMAT was sent out....the schedule was not. my bad....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell
Something I have yet to see anyone mention is the difference in the track. MSRH vs. MSRC. Run your car hard at MSRH for 40 minutes and let me know what is left of your car at the end. There will be more people going off the track at MSRH because of brake failures. You have three high speed braking zones. :shock:
The other difference is the sustained higher rpm. MSRH is a high rev track. Oil temps and water temps are going to be up there.
If you are going to double the time for a race, make it worth the while and double the points.
David
Mr. White,
I have four Toyo's for sell. Mount them and run for practice, and they will be good for the 40 minute race.
275/40 17 (4) full treads looking for a home.
David
If they weren't full treads...sure. I prefer the 4/32 and get them bald as soon as possible!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage
I will still take those rims though....
NASA TEXAS CHALLENGER 4 MOTORSPORTS FESTIVAL at MSR Houston
Friday, May 19, 2006 - MSR Houston- Test-N-Tune hosted by www.msrhouston.com
8 AM - 9:00 PM Access to Facility to Drop-off vehicles. If you are going to be later than 8:30 PM, contact us in advance.
3:30 PM - 9:00 PM REGISTRATION OPEN: TECH OPENED 6:00 PM
SATURDAY, May 20, 2006
6:30 AM GATES OPEN- $10 spectator admission per weekend (one day or two). Children 12/under free.
6:45 AM REGISTRATION OPEN: 6:45 AM TECH OPEN
Subject to change-Please be aware of the groups running before you. Listen to the PA announcements. We can run ahead or behind time.
Start End ET PRACTICE SESSIONS: Any blocking, racing activity, spins, off-course excursions or body contact will be black flagged and possible penalties assessed
7:15 AM 8:15 AM 1:00 Track Drive/Walk Around: Meet at Grid: Mandatory for Groups 1,2 & Comp License Students
8:00 AM 8:30 AM 0:30 Comms, ERC & Corner Worker Meeting:Immediately Go to Stations; Course Check 8:50
8:35 AM 8:50 AM 0:15 Drivers Meeting for Racing Groups--Mandatory-Tech Garage Area
8:15 AM 9:15 AM 1:00 GROUP 1,2 and COMP LICENSE -Meeting and Classroom 1:Classroom under Control Tower
9:00 AM 9:20 AM 0:20 Group 6 & 7 PRACTICE
9:20 AM 9:40 AM 0:20 Group 5 & 8 PRACTICE
9:40 AM 10:00 AM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 1
10:00 AM 10:20 AM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 1
10:20 AM 10:35 AM 0:15 Group 5 QUALIFICATION
10:35 AM 10:50 AM 0:15 Group 6 QUALIFICATION GROUP 2(HPDE 3&4 Comp License)Class 2; 30mins:Classroom under Control Tower
10:50 AM 11:05 AM 0:15 Group 7 QUALIFICATION GROUP 1(HPDE 1&2)Classroom 2;30 minutes; Upstairs Classroom
11:05 AM 11:20 AM 0:15 Group 8 QUALIFICATION
11:20 AM 11:40 AM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 2
11:40 AM 12:00 PM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 2
12:00 PM 12:10 PM 0:10 Group 9 Extra Time Trial Session
12:10 PM 1:00 PM 0:50 LUNCH BREAK (STARTS BETWEEN 12:10-12:40 PM; RESUME SESSIONS BETWEEN 1:00-1:30PM) GROUP 2 (HPDE 3&4 Comp Lic) Class 3; 30minutes during worker lunch break
1:00 PM 1:30 PM 0:30 Group 6 RACE 1 GROUP 1(HPDE 1&2)Classroom 3;30 minutes:Classroom under Control Tower
1:30 PM 1:50 PM 0:20 Group 5 RACE 1-Rolling Start Based on Qual Times
1:50 PM 2:10 PM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 3
2:10 PM 2:30 PM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 3
2:30 PM 3:00 PM 0:30 Group 7 RACE 1-Split Start; SRX7, Allison's and Rest of group
3:00 PM 3:30 PM 0:30 Group 8 RACE 1
3:30 PM 3:50 PM 0:20 Group 5 RACE 2-Inverted Rolling Start:AI/AIX then CMC based on Qualification Times GROUP 1&2&CompLic;TrackSideClass 4
3:50 PM 4:10 PM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 4
4:10 PM 4:30 PM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 4
4:30 PM 5:30 PM 1:00 DOWN TIME: Tows, Rescue, Track Clean-up: PARTY TIME STARTS Between 5:30 & 6PM to ???
SHRIMP BOIL - CELEBRATING GOOD FRIENDS and GOOD TIMES WITH ALL OF OUR RACING/MOTORSPORTS FAMILY
Sunday, May 21, 2006
Start End ET
7:45 AM 8:00 AM 0:15 Comms, ERC & Corner Worker Meeting:Immediately Go to Stations; Course Check 8:20 AM
8:30 AM 8:45 AM 0:15 Drivers Meeting for Racing Groups--Mandatory-Tech Garage Area
8:30 AM 8:50 AM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 5
8:50 AM 9:10 AM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 5
9:10 AM 9:25 AM 0:15 Group 5 QUALIFICATION
9:25 AM 9:40 AM 0:15 Group 6 QUALIFICATION GROUP 1(HPDE 1&2);Classroom 5;30 minutes: Upstairs Classroom GROUP 2(HPDE 3&4 Comp License);Classroom 5; 30 minutes: Classroom Under Control Tower
9:40 AM 9:55 AM 0:15 Group 7 QUALIFICATION
9:55 AM 10:10 AM 0:15 Group 8 QUALIFICATION
10:10 AM 10:30 AM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 6
10:30 AM 10:50 AM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 6
10:50 AM 11:35 AM 0:45 LUNCH BREAK (STARTS BETWEEN 11:35-12:00PM; RESUME SESSIONS BETWEEN 12:20-12:50PM)
11:35 AM 12:15 PM 0:40 Group 5 RACE 3 Standing Start based on Qual Times
12:15 PM 12:55 PM 0:40 Group 6 RACE 2 GROUP 1(HPDE 1&2);Classroom 6;30 minutes: Upstairs Classroom GROUP 2(HPDE 3&4 Comp License);Classroom 6; 30 minutes: Classroom Under Control Tower
12:55 PM 1:25 PM 0:30 Group 7 RACE 2-Split Start; SRX7, Allison's and Rest of group
1:25 PM 1:45 PM 0:20 Group 8 RACE 2
1:45 PM 2:05 PM 0:20 Group 2 LAPPING 7
2:05 PM 2:15 PM 0:10 Group 9 Extra Time Trial Session
2:15 PM 2:35 PM 0:20 Group 1 LAPPING 7
2:35 PM 2:55 PM 0:20 Group 8 RACE 3
2:55 PM 3:15 PM 0:20 Group 1 & 2 LAPPING 8: END OF DAY: GROUP 1&2&CompLic;TrackSideClass 7
3:15 PM 4:15 PM 1:00 DOWN TIME: Tows, Rescue, Track Clean-up
Group 1 HPDE 1&2 Group 6 Spec Miata Challenge
Group 2 HPDE 3&4, Comp students are in this group Group 7 SRX7, BG, PerformanceTouring E-H, Honda Challenge 4-5, Legends (LP,LM,LS), Allison Legacy (AL), Se7ens 1-5, Spec Neon
Group 3 Formula V-Not at Event Group 8 GPC 1-2 & X; GTS 1-5 and U; PerformanceTouring A-D, R and U; Panoz; HC1-3 & U,Spec SRT, 944 Spec, Factory Five Racing Challenge (FFR), SE-R Cup (Modified 13/13 Rule Applies to this group)
Group 4 StarMazda,ProMazda, Open Wheel,SportsRacers: NOT AT THIS EVENT Group 9 Time Trial only Session
Group 5 AI, AIX, AIV,CMC
HOLY S.H.I.T.!!!! Someone check the temperature in heLL!!!!!!!!! :shock:
Big radiator- checkQuote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
Big holes in bumper- check
Big oil cooler- check
Big power steering cooler- check
Big shirt cooler- check
Big drink bottle- check
What are the temps like in Ohio in September?
Boogity Boogity!
jb
I was actually referring to the fact that a schedule came out BEFORE the weekend with times and all...not putting too much stock into it given it changes 3 times before we get there. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffburch
Why not take a more positive approach about this? The schedule came out prior to the weekend, has all the times listed, our Sunday race is directly after lunch allowing us to pack up, leave and get home at a very respectable time, and.....we go racing in 24 hours. Can it get any better?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AI#97
History? :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Ginsberg