dyno every year is dumb.

[ShadowBolt]

I have been wondering why we dyno at the start of every year? It is a pain in the ass and it accomplishes nothing. Why were our cars okay from Feb. to Oct. last year but now three months later we must dyno once again. Unless you changed something on the car why re-dyno? As soon as you leave the dyno you could change something and unless you got your hood sealed and had to re-dyno no one would ever know. The dyno at the start of the year was a waste of time. I was talking to another racer about this today and he had a great idea. I don't want to say his name so the powers that be will not just throw it out because it was HIS idea. How bout we all put $50.00 in the kitty at the first of the year (about what one dyno session cost) and just have the top three or four guys at random weekends draw for who has to dyno (on our money). The only thing I see wrong with this idea is if one guy gets unlucky and has to dyno several times in a year. I don't know how often the top guys have to go now but I think I remember Wirtz having to dyno several times in 2008. With this plan if we have 20 CMC CMC-2 drivers we would have enough money to get 15-20 dynos done per year.
Sorry to say but guys at the back of the pack like me will not win just because they are cheating with 30 extra h/p but if I got lucky I could also get picked to have the hood sealed and recheck the car.

Okay firesuit is on.
JJ

[Wirtz]

I've been thinking along similar lines, but with a few differences.

I don't think it should be someone from only the top 3 to dyno per the luck of the draw. I do like the idea of the entire filed being put in the hat for a occasional random drawing. The reason is cheating, or thoughts that someone is cheating, can spread and wreck a series from within. It does not matter if you are first or last, your car needs to meet the rules.

One idea was to treat dynos like we do inspections. Get a dyno cert, it is good for one year. Make a change to your car part way through the year and you redyno, you're good for another year. Get pulled in a drawing to recheck, your good for another year.

It would be up to the driver to maintain his dyno info in his log book and to make sure it is up to date. There should be a statement about what happens if someone comes and runs with a cert out of date (hood / computer seal and immediate retest?).

I really do agree that dyno runs at the first of the year only for the start of a new season is pointless.

Jeff

[David Love AI27]

In the past, we did random dynos... I propose if you finish in the top 2 and you DON'T have a current dyno that your hood be sealed and you get a dyno within 10 working days or you are DQed...

At Nationals I had 3 or 4 "current" dynos and I picked one to be my "official" dyno. Had I got caught with different numbers then I would have been DQed...




Edited out the smart ass remarks before posting

[David Love AI27]

I've been thinking along similar lines, but with a few differences.

I don't think it should be someone from only the top 3 to dyno per the luck of the draw. I do like the idea of the entire filed being put in the hat for a occasional random drawing. The reason is cheating, or thoughts that someone is cheating, can spread and wreck a series from within. It does not matter if you are first or last, your car needs to meet the rules.

One idea was to treat dynos like we do inspections. Get a dyno cert, it is good for one year. Make a change to your car part way through the year and you redyno, you're good for another year. Get pulled in a drawing to recheck, your good for another year.

It would be up to the driver to maintain his dyno info in his log book and to make sure it is up to date. There should be a statement about what happens if someone comes and runs with a cert out of date (hood / computer seal and immediate retest?).

I really do agree that dyno runs at the first of the year only for the start of a new season is pointless.

Jeff

you propose a dyno be good for 12 months? unless the earmarked changes have been made? That would be nice!!

[Fbody383]

One idea was to treat dynos like we do inspections. Get a dyno cert, it is good for one year. Make a change to your car part way through the year and you redyno, you're good for another year. Get pulled in a drawing to recheck, your good for another year.

Which in the general case, IS a dyno for the first race of the year.

I'm in this camp also and think using GPS based data acquisition is a potential interim step; run the GPS on random cars each qual/race session and anything over a given percent triggers re-dyno. Make the margin big enough to avoid false positives.

What about offering competitors the opporunity to "buy" a car to dyno? Jerry and I think Wirtz is over so we put up collectively (split determined between the protestors) $150, $200, enough that it would cover the dyno AND aggravation costs.

Not picking on Wirtz or Jerry just using them since they're in the thread.

And under current rules I still need to get one done in the next 8 days.

[kbrewmr2]

I'd rather put my car on the dyno than deal with teardowns, cam measurements, the whistler, CC'ing heads, and that kind of crap. I switched how my car was handled in PT to avoid that actually...

There are many ways to set up a class and its compliance measures. And I'm just offering a different POV You guys do have a pretty well setup class after all...

[ShadowBolt]

I've been thinking along similar lines, but with a few differences.

I don't think it should be someone from only the top 3 to dyno per the luck of the draw. I do like the idea of the entire filed being put in the hat for a occasional random drawing. The reason is cheating, or thoughts that someone is cheating, can spread and wreck a series from within. It does not matter if you are first or last, your car needs to meet the rules.

One idea was to treat dynos like we do inspections. Get a dyno cert, it is good for one year. Make a change to your car part way through the year and you redyno, you're good for another year. Get pulled in a drawing to recheck, your good for another year.

It would be up to the driver to maintain his dyno info in his log book and to make sure it is up to date. There should be a statement about what happens if someone comes and runs with a cert out of date (hood / computer seal and immediate retest?).

I really do agree that dyno runs at the first of the year only for the start of a new season is pointless.

Jeff

I don't want to have to get a dyno done even once a year. That is all I have done so far. Unless something has changed the numbers will not be much different. I like the idea that anyone (I agree Jeff ) could get drawn every race weekend. Only a fool would cheat and hope he did not get drawn out of the hat. The only way it would work is you could get unlucky and get drawn several times in a row.


JJ

[AllZWay]

I have to agree that the yearly dyno is a major pain in my butt. I have to load up an haul 2 hours just to get a dyno done.

And this year I dynoed about 5hp less than last year and I haven't touched a thing.

I could go for a random dyno from the entire group every weekend...not just top finishers though.

Of course there are issues regardless of which way you go.

I prefer the yearly dyno over tear downs and other hassles and random dynos would still be a major pain for me since nothing is local....unless the dynos were done at the track.

All in all the current system is a pain, but I still think it is an okay system.

[ShadowBolt]

All in all the current system is a pain, but I still think it is an okay system.

I agree James but a random system would be better IMHO.

JJ

[michaelmosty]

The only problem with multiple random dyno's is that if throughout the year 75% of the people get called then it is only an advantage for a small few. If 1 or 2 people / event get called to dyno then that isn't enough people. If 3 or 4 get called then by the end of the year it will be almost a full number of dyno's.

At least this way people have a few months to get their dyno done during a time that is most convenient for them.
I agree it sucks to make no changes, dyno every year, and get the same results.